Best small forward option

[arctic 3.0]

Andre Kerilenko is a FA. probably will demand more than the MLE. but how about a S@T for Green?
a vet swing forward who shoots, drives, REBOUNDS and plays wicked D.
not young, won't be a building block, but possible 6th man of the year on the C's.

[mkogav]

Andre Kerilenko is a FA. probably will demand more than the MLE. but how about a S@T for Green?
a vet swing forward who shoots, drives, REBOUNDS and plays wicked D.
not young, won't be a building block, but possible 6th man of the year on the C's.

Kirilenko will most likely sign with Prokhorov in NJ/Brooklyn. The Cs has been rumored to be interested in Grant Hill and Josh Howard, maybe even Shane Battier. However, if the season is lost, the point is moot b/c KG and Ray won't be Celtics anymore.

Mk

[arctic 3.0]

howard would be a good option, less so hill, neither are great defenders and i don't believe they either can guard the 4.
since this is prob the last season of KG i believe we must go all out to aquire the kind of players who could help us get over the top again.

AK's got the kind of all around game that compliments the big 3.
most posey like player available, has more in tank than howard tougher than hill. he may like NJ but has a shot at a title wth us. a one year deal and successful season will increase his price tag for the nets etc next year.


pardon the mangled syntax, typed with 2 month old in arms...

[Who]

I think Kirilenko offers the most at PF. Battier at SF and J.Howard at SG. I like Kirilenko's dynamic play on either end of the court at PF ... Battier's good-to-very good role player type duties in all phases of the game at SF ... Howard's size, power and shot-creation at SG.

If Danny were to bring in Howard, I think you make him a SG/SF backup to Ray and Paul and avoid small ball lineups entirely. Play with 4 legit big men.

I dislike Battier as a small ball PF but he can give the odd useful performance there. It shouldn't be a regular look for whatever team he ends up joining. Far more effective at SF.

Kirilenko is a very good player as an undersized PF. Very dynamic on both ends of the court. With his quickness, ball-handling, passing and slashing offensively and his ability to cover ground and force turnovers defensively. Very impressive. A much better PF than a SF. It's a shame Utah and Jerry Sloan ran his career into the ground (by playing him out of position) these past 5 years.

[Chris]

I think Kirilenko offers the most at PF. Battier at SF and J.Howard at SG. I like Kirilenko's dynamic play on either end of the court at PF ... Battier's good-to-very good role player type duties in all phases of the game at SF ... Howard's size, power and shot-creation at SG.

If Danny were to bring in Howard, I think you make him a SG/SF backup to Ray and Paul and avoid small ball lineups entirely. Play with 4 legit big men.

I dislike Battier as a small ball PF but he can give the odd useful performance there. It shouldn't be a regular look for whatever team he ends up joining. Far more effective at SF.

Kirilenko is a very good player as an undersized PF. Very dynamic on both ends of the court. With his quickness, ball-handling, passing and slashing offensively and his ability to cover ground and force turnovers defensively. Very impressive. A much better PF than a SF. It's a shame Utah and Jerry Sloan ran his career into the ground (by playing him out of position) these past 5 years.

Agree completely.  Although, all things equal (meaning they would all get the same contract), I would prefer Green, because he fits better to help the team get younger going forward...but if he is asking for too much, that is a good breakdown.  I would also throw Tayshaun Prince in there in the same category as Battier.  Really a true SF, who could immediately step in an be very effective, and while capable of playing other positions, only in short stretches.

[Inside-Out]

I still think DH isn't going to happen...losing a team's marketing superstar will become a rare event, most likely, under the new CBA.

But I do like Kirelenko at PF, and keeping Jeff Green at SF, running them together with DW at backup guard and BBD (after watching every minute of film from the "round mound of rebound"-'s heyday), BBD at backup C (cringe).  I think, with perhaps (finally) a nice backup PG the following year, that roster has a few years to contend (with KG and Ray still around).

[Army_of_One_Nation]

Isn't AK47 signing with a European team for a 3 year contract?

[2short]

I feel Green as a starting sf is our best option.  Pair him with rondo and we run much better.  The celtics WOULD have the 6th man of the year coming off ala hondo as swing man sf with some sg Paul Pierce.

[Chris]

I feel Green as a starting sf is our best option.  Pair him with rondo and we run much better.  The celtics WOULD have the 6th man of the year coming off ala hondo as swing man sf with some sg Paul Pierce.

I really see no reason to bring Pierce off the bench.  He is still significantly better than Green, and will be for a while, and he is a lot better suited to be able to beat the first string defenders as a primary scoring option (which the C's really need).

Where Green is most valuable is in punishing the second team defenders.  He can come in at SF, playing some minutes to give Pierce a rest against the first stringers, but becoming an offensive focal point, when they put a second string SF on him.

[2short]

I feel Green as a starting sf is our best option.  Pair him with rondo and we run much better.  The celtics WOULD have the 6th man of the year coming off ala hondo as swing man sf with some sg Paul Pierce.

I really see no reason to bring Pierce off the bench.  He is still significantly better than Green, and will be for a while, and he is a lot better suited to be able to beat the first string defenders as a primary scoring option (which the C's really need).

Where Green is most valuable is in punishing the second team defenders.  He can come in at SF, playing some minutes to give Pierce a rest against the first stringers, but becoming an offensive focal point, when they put a second string SF on him.

Pierce is way better than Green agreed.  However we have no low post game with the starting team.  I feel with Green on box at sf he is the best low post guy we have on team.  A starting team of green, rondo, ray, kg and (insert center) can score our second group now would have the celtics best all around offensive player in pierce.  A go to guy who can handle the ball etc etc.  I would still finish up with a kg c, green pf, pierce sf, ray sg, rondo pg lineup.

funny i didn't mention davis anywhere....

[Fafnir]

Jeff Green's post game wouldn't open up our starting unit's offense, his lack of passing, dribbling, and shot creation would stiffle it.

[2short]

Jeff Green's post game wouldn't open up our starting unit's offense, his lack of passing, dribbling, and shot creation would stiffle it.

I'd be willing to bet that would not be true.  The move would make the TEAM better, it has nothing to do with liking green or the trade or green being "better" than pierce which he isn't.  Without a low post threat other teams can pretty much guard ray straight up, his offense now soley from screens and rondo's good passing.  If I man is forced to take a step off him, ray will be even better.

[Fafnir]

Jeff Green's post game wouldn't open up our starting unit's offense, his lack of passing, dribbling, and shot creation would stiffle it.

I'd be willing to bet that would not be true.  The move would make the TEAM better, it has nothing to do with liking green or the trade or green being "better" than pierce which he isn't.  Without a low post threat other teams can pretty much guard ray straight up, his offense now soley from screens and rondo's good passing.  If I man is forced to take a step off him, ray will be even better.

So you think Jeff Green's post game is more effctive at drawing help than Pierce's offensive game?

I don't think that's true at all. Jeff Green requires much less attention from a team defense than Pierce does. Jeff Green occasionally can feast on smaller wings in the post, but by moving him into the starting line up he'll actually get less of those chances.

[2short]

Jeff Green's post game wouldn't open up our starting unit's offense, his lack of passing, dribbling, and shot creation would stiffle it.

I'd be willing to bet that would not be true.  The move would make the TEAM better, it has nothing to do with liking green or the trade or green being "better" than pierce which he isn't.  Without a low post threat other teams can pretty much guard ray straight up, his offense now soley from screens and rondo's good passing.  If I man is forced to take a step off him, ray will be even better.

So you think Jeff Green's post game is more effctive at drawing help than Pierce's offensive game?

I don't think that's true at all. Jeff Green requires much less attention from a team defense than Pierce does. Jeff Green occasionally can feast on smaller wings in the post, but by moving him into the starting line up he'll actually get less of those chances.

I think its just a different look.  Do you not think he is our best low post guy?  If not who?  Pierce on the box against a lot of sf is good as well.  I think Green's defense would be the main issue, if he can up his game defensively like he showed a few times last season then it would make sense.  Generally speaking Paul will get guys sagging to help him sure but he is not double teamed if that is what you are hinting at

[Chris]

I feel Green as a starting sf is our best option.  Pair him with rondo and we run much better.  The celtics WOULD have the 6th man of the year coming off ala hondo as swing man sf with some sg Paul Pierce.

I really see no reason to bring Pierce off the bench.  He is still significantly better than Green, and will be for a while, and he is a lot better suited to be able to beat the first string defenders as a primary scoring option (which the C's really need).

Where Green is most valuable is in punishing the second team defenders.  He can come in at SF, playing some minutes to give Pierce a rest against the first stringers, but becoming an offensive focal point, when they put a second string SF on him.

Pierce is way better than Green agreed.  However we have no low post game with the starting team.  I feel with Green on box at sf he is the best low post guy we have on team.  A starting team of green, rondo, ray, kg and (insert center) can score our second group now would have the celtics best all around offensive player in pierce.  A go to guy who can handle the ball etc etc.  I would still finish up with a kg c, green pf, pierce sf, ray sg, rondo pg lineup.

funny i didn't mention davis anywhere....

I think keeping KG in the post more with the starters is a much better way to do it, and then utilize Green on the second unit who have even less of a low post presence.