Kendrick Perkins allegedly involved in drunken nightclub outburst.

[Q_FBE]

Lets hope Kendrick Perkins career path does not follow that of Vin Baker. That would be very sad indeed. 

[OsirusCeltics]

 I'm not convicting Perk of anything.  I just think that this idea that Perkins is completely opposite off the court compared to the guy we see on the court might be a bit of a media creation.  I'm not saying he is a criminal or a thug, only that chances are he also isn't the lamb off the court that some of you seem to think he is.  He has shown a mean streak on the court and that is something most people cannot turn on and off by putting on a uniform.

People on these boards are just too obsessed over this guy he can do no wrong.

TP

In the words of Wilt Chamberlain on losing to the Celtics in 1969
"I still don't know why, Its a mystery to me"

[mc34]

http://newsok.com/thunders-kendrick-perkins-wants-to-clear-his-name/article/3595177?custom_click=headlines_widget

Claims he's innocent (wasn't drunk/drinking) AND is also accusing the police of brutality :O

Hired a lawyer to clear his name. Sounds Clemens-esque, but I'm willing to give Perk the benefit of the doubt.

[Roy H.]

http://newsok.com/thunders-kendrick-perkins-wants-to-clear-his-name/article/3595177?custom_click=headlines_widget

Claims he's innocent (wasn't drunk/drinking) AND is also accusing the police of brutality :O

Hired a lawyer to clear his name. Sounds Clemens-esque, but I'm willing to give Perk the benefit of the doubt.

I won't be shocked if this gets dropped, if only because it's going to be a huge pain in the butt for the prosecutor's office for a very minor offense.

[BASS_THUMPER]

Lets hope Kendrick Perkins career path does not follow that of Vin Baker. That would be very sad indeed. 

[Roy H.]

“He was not drinking alcohol, nor was he intoxicated,” said White, CEO and founder of EAG Sports Management. “Not one drop of alcohol Friday night. We're not sure why they said Kendrick was intoxicated.”

According to White, police didn't administer a breathalyzer or field sobriety test at the scene or the police station.

“There are witnesses inside the club that will attest to Kendrick only drinking water that evening,” White said.

White said the altercation early Saturday morning stemmed from Perkins attempting to collect money from the club manager with whom he had struck a deal for the use of the establishment as an after party site wrapping up the event. The money, White said, was to go to Perkins' foundation, which aims to help children learn life skills and drug-awareness. According to White, the club owner became combative with Perkins and refused to hand over the money. An assistant to Perkins diffused the situation before “the lone policeman inside the club started harassing Kendrick to leave,” White said. Once outside, White said, another officer became more combative with Perkins, pushing him and grabbing his arm. Perkins, White said, was upset and pulled away. The officer then arrested him.

According to White, Jackson, a member of the Milwaukee Bucks, was threatened with arrest for trying to calm the situation. Rondo had returned to his hotel and was not at the club. Durant, Harden and Maynor are not believed to have been at the club.

[tenn_smoothie]

anyone noticed that Perkins hasn't been himself - on or off court - since the Celts traded him ?

i'll always believe that trade knocked a big hole in the psyches of some very emotional players who thrived around each other and who since have been a little lost.

Perk, Rondo, Davis, even KG was effected.

and Rondo's injury - did you know that there have been several studies done on athletes' vulnerability to injury as it relates to the loss of "social support" ?  laugh if you want, but i've seen that very phenomenon before.

[Edgar]

anyone noticed that Perkins hasn't been himself - on or off court - since the Celts traded him ?

i'll always believe that trade knocked a big hole in the psyches of some very emotional players who thrived around each other and who since have been a little lost.

Perk, Rondo, Davis, even KG was effected.

and Rondo's injury - did you know that there have been several studies done on athletes' vulnerability to injury as it relates to the loss of "social support" ?  laugh if you want, but i've seen that very phenomenon before.

Its posible
not probable but posible

i never saw enough OKC games this year to say that
but thats possible

all that i can say

[paulcowens]

anyone noticed that Perkins hasn't been himself - on or off court - since the Celts traded him ?

i'll always believe that trade knocked a big hole in the psyches of some very emotional players who thrived around each other and who since have been a little lost.

Perk, Rondo, Davis, even KG was effected.

and Rondo's injury - did you know that there have been several studies done on athletes' vulnerability to injury as it relates to the loss of "social support" ?  laugh if you want, but i've seen that very phenomenon before.

I agree that everyone was affected, and also that 'loss of social support' can lead to injury.  That makes sense to me.  But I also think that Rondo's injury was intentionally cause by Wade.

I can't understand why so many fans don't recognize that players are human beings who react emotionally to situations like everyone else.  How does the ordinary person feel when they lose a job? - and remember, we fans EXPECT our players to emotionally bond with the teams they play for - but somehow we forget all about this when they get traded or cut.

[paulcowens]

 Would you have the same compassion if it were Kobe Bryant or LeBron James rather then a former Celtic fan favorite?  Probably not.

  I admit I don't have much compassion for athletes who get into trouble involving alcohol and nightclubs because I spent 10 years working in nightclubs in south Florida during the 90's.  I saw first hand how they tend to behave in these VIP rooms especially set up for them to misbehave beyond the eyes of the general public.  I've seen them doing things that would probably shock a whole lot of fans of these athletes.  I've witnessed them harassing women, fighting and even doing drugs.    
  
I'm not saying he is one of those kind of guys but I'm also not dismissing the possibility that he is just like a whole lot of other professional athletes/celebrities who believe they are above the law just because he is a former Celtic fan favorite.

  
I have seen first hand that these athletes and celebrities get away with more then the average person does in these clubs because they spend way more money there so the ownership is less likely to involved the police unless the situation is totally out of control.  That's just the way it is.  I believe that if the police were called it is indeed because Perkins and or the situation was completely out of control.  These clubs have multiple bouncers that are 6'5"+ and solid muscle so if they cannot control the situation to the point where the police become involved it is usually really bad.  They don't just call the cops for nothing because the ownership doesn't want the cops there for obvious reasons, like too many police related incidences can result in them losing their liquor licence.  Due to this in most cases when you hear the cops were involved the situation was way out of control and probably worse then what is being reported not an exaggeration of what really happened as you suggest.

I've been to a few clubs in my time.  I've never seen a six five bouncer who was all muscle.  What I've seen are guys who are way bigger than the average guy, but way smaller than Perkins.  If Perkins was seriously trying to fight people, they'd be getting hurt.  And if it was true that, as you say, this club probably had bouncers not much smaller than Perkins, they'd have controlled him, which according to the police, they did not do.  And I've not been to Beaumont, but I really wonder how comparable a club in Beaumont is to the club you worked at.

As for the cops, I think think they are usually quite tight with club owners.  I'm sure that varies from locality to locality and from club to club.  One club I know always has a cop right outside the club, who is very quick to take the owner's side in any possible dispute.


But putting all that aside, you must think I'm very naive if you think I don't know what Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.s athletes and celebs can be.  But you know what?  So can club owners, employees and bouncers be flaming Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.s, right?  And so can cops be Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.s.  In fact, one could argue that many bouncers and cops are professional Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.s.  As with all professions, there are good ones and bad ones, right?

The point is, no one should be just taking what the cops say or what the club owners say at face value, while dismissing what Perkins says.   Yet virtually EVERY commenter on this thread is doing exactly that.  He is already guilty in most of your eyes.

As far as I can tell, neither side is telling the whole truth here.  It doesn't sound likely that Perkins was just drinking water all night, but it sounds even less plausible that he was actually trying to fight everyone, as the cops say.  That sounds to me like language meant to cover the fact that the cops overreacted to the situation.

[greg_kite]

What wasn't mentioned was that the entire bar was wearing Lakers jerseys.  Which would make Perk's little episode totally justified. 

All joking aside, being a celebrity surrounded by a bunch of drunk people who probably hate you because you played on the Celtics and make millions of dollars could easily get you riled up enough that you would want to take them all on.  My guess is there was a group of 4 or 5 idiots that got him riled up, another 4 or 5 that joined in, which would be enough to make him defensive and crazy, especially if he had a drink or five.

[CelticsFanNC]

 Would you have the same compassion if it were Kobe Bryant or LeBron James rather then a former Celtic fan favorite?  Probably not.

  I admit I don't have much compassion for athletes who get into trouble involving alcohol and nightclubs because I spent 10 years working in nightclubs in south Florida during the 90's.  I saw first hand how they tend to behave in these VIP rooms especially set up for them to misbehave beyond the eyes of the general public.  I've seen them doing things that would probably shock a whole lot of fans of these athletes.  I've witnessed them harassing women, fighting and even doing drugs.    
  
I'm not saying he is one of those kind of guys but I'm also not dismissing the possibility that he is just like a whole lot of other professional athletes/celebrities who believe they are above the law just because he is a former Celtic fan favorite.

  
I have seen first hand that these athletes and celebrities get away with more then the average person does in these clubs because they spend way more money there so the ownership is less likely to involved the police unless the situation is totally out of control.  That's just the way it is.  I believe that if the police were called it is indeed because Perkins and or the situation was completely out of control.  These clubs have multiple bouncers that are 6'5"+ and solid muscle so if they cannot control the situation to the point where the police become involved it is usually really bad.  They don't just call the cops for nothing because the ownership doesn't want the cops there for obvious reasons, like too many police related incidences can result in them losing their liquor licence.  Due to this in most cases when you hear the cops were involved the situation was way out of control and probably worse then what is being reported not an exaggeration of what really happened as you suggest.

I've been to a few clubs in my time.  I've never seen a six five bouncer who was all muscle.  What I've seen are guys who are way bigger than the average guy, but way smaller than Perkins.  If Perkins was seriously trying to fight people, they'd be getting hurt.  And if it was true that, as you say, this club probably had bouncers not much smaller than Perkins, they'd have controlled him, which according to the police, they did not do.  And I've not been to Beaumont, but I really wonder how comparable a club in Beaumont is to the club you worked at.

As for the cops, I think think they are usually quite tight with club owners.  I'm sure that varies from locality to locality and from club to club.  One club I know always has a cop right outside the club, who is very quick to take the owner's side in any possible dispute.


But putting all that aside, you must think I'm very naive if you think I don't know what ****s athletes and celebs can be.  But you know what?  So can club owners, employees and bouncers be flaming ****s, right?  And so can cops be ****s.  In fact, one could argue that many bouncers and cops are professional ****s.  As with all professions, there are good ones and bad ones, right?

The point is, no one should be just taking what the cops say or what the club owners say at face value, while dismissing what Perkins says.   Yet virtually EVERY commenter on this thread is doing exactly that.  He is already guilty in most of your eyes.

As far as I can tell, neither side is telling the whole truth here.  It doesn't sound likely that Perkins was just drinking water all night, but it sounds even less plausible that he was actually trying to fight everyone, as the cops say.  That sounds to me like language meant to cover the fact that the cops overreacted to the situation.

  He's not guilty in my eyes, well only guilty of being stupid until otherwise proven.  You are probably right that neither side is telling the entire truth.  I apologize if I came across as feeling he is guilty.  All I was doing was offering a former nightclub insiders point of view as to why club don't bring the police into a situation unless that situation was totally out of control.

  I also know that cops can be just as dirty as anyone else, even more so in some cases.  In a case like this probably all three parties involved(Cops/Club owner and staff/Perkins) are not telling the entire truth including Perkins.

  Still I think in most cases you are wrong about club owners being okay with cops being inside of their establishments for numerous reasons.  I'd say probably 9 out of 10 want no part of police involvement.  Clubs are a den for drug activity(the main reason I stopped managing and marketing them a decade ago)and under age drinking no matter how diligent the ownership is about keeping things clean.   Most clubs are paying some if not all of their staff illegally, under the table and will face severe penalties if found out by officials.  In most states you will lose your liquor licence if you have too many police related incidences so most club owners do not involve the police unless they have no other option.  I've  worked in, managed and marketed clubs from Vermont to South Florida to North Carolina and have known dozens of nightclub owners over the years.  None of them were tight with the police.  None of them ever invited the police into their establishment unless they had an issue that they could not control in house.  That is the nature of the business and as I said, the main reason I left a very lucrative career a decade ago.

 Also club owners are all about the bottom line.  Nightclubs have an average shelf life of less then a year so when you hit on one that is a success, that is drawing high spending clientele an owner will protect his/her cash flow.   They will bend over back words to protect their big spending clientele( athletes/celebrities) because if they don't they will not only lose the offending person as a big spender but also lose other big spenders.  Those type of customers want their privacy protected for obvious reasons and are very difficult if not impossible to replace on your bottom line. You involve the police in an incident, rightly or wrongly, with one of them you are likely to lose any others who might frequent your club.

  I'm not and have never said Perkins is guilty of anything other then being dumb.  

  Oh, is all of the cussing really necessary?  It adds nothing to your argument and just kind of comes off as juvenile.  
 

[droopdog7]

“He was not drinking alcohol, nor was he intoxicated,” said White, CEO and founder of EAG Sports Management. “Not one drop of alcohol Friday night. We're not sure why they said Kendrick was intoxicated.”

According to White, police didn't administer a breathalyzer or field sobriety test at the scene or the police station.

“There are witnesses inside the club that will attest to Kendrick only drinking water that evening,” White said.

White said the altercation early Saturday morning stemmed from Perkins attempting to collect money from the club manager with whom he had struck a deal for the use of the establishment as an after party site wrapping up the event. The money, White said, was to go to Perkins' foundation, which aims to help children learn life skills and drug-awareness. According to White, the club owner became combative with Perkins and refused to hand over the money. An assistant to Perkins diffused the situation before “the lone policeman inside the club started harassing Kendrick to leave,” White said. Once outside, White said, another officer became more combative with Perkins, pushing him and grabbing his arm. Perkins, White said, was upset and pulled away. The officer then arrested him.

According to White, Jackson, a member of the Milwaukee Bucks, was threatened with arrest for trying to calm the situation. Rondo had returned to his hotel and was not at the club. Durant, Harden and Maynor are not believed to have been at the club.

I am calling BS on at least part of this story.  I mean, really; Perk was personally trying to collect money for his charity?  Please.  There are contracts and working class folks that take care of these things.  I find it hard to believe that Perk was personally trying to collect money for this reason.

[mgent]

“He was not drinking alcohol, nor was he intoxicated,” said White, CEO and founder of EAG Sports Management. “Not one drop of alcohol Friday night. We're not sure why they said Kendrick was intoxicated.”

According to White, police didn't administer a breathalyzer or field sobriety test at the scene or the police station.

“There are witnesses inside the club that will attest to Kendrick only drinking water that evening,” White said.

White said the altercation early Saturday morning stemmed from Perkins attempting to collect money from the club manager with whom he had struck a deal for the use of the establishment as an after party site wrapping up the event. The money, White said, was to go to Perkins' foundation, which aims to help children learn life skills and drug-awareness. According to White, the club owner became combative with Perkins and refused to hand over the money. An assistant to Perkins diffused the situation before “the lone policeman inside the club started harassing Kendrick to leave,” White said. Once outside, White said, another officer became more combative with Perkins, pushing him and grabbing his arm. Perkins, White said, was upset and pulled away. The officer then arrested him.

According to White, Jackson, a member of the Milwaukee Bucks, was threatened with arrest for trying to calm the situation. Rondo had returned to his hotel and was not at the club. Durant, Harden and Maynor are not believed to have been at the club.

This sounds a lot more like Perkins.

I haven't seen any evidence of police brutality yet, but this sounds like cops trying to diffuse the situation before it escalated (my bet is, being in Texas, Perk had a huge posse).  Cops are scared when they have to restrain a guy bigger than them, especially one that hasn't given them reason to use the club or taser.  Never mind a guy that is 6'11", 280lb.

Combine that with the fact that the officer inside was by himself with no immediate backup, I absolutely believe he said he was drunk so he could get him into cuffs before the fight started.

There were also reports of this being in the hood and shots being fired, so the police had a right to be overcautious.  But Perk getting disorderly and trying to start a fight for no reason, just doesn't sound right to me.  I hope he clears his name.

[CoachBo]

anyone noticed that Perkins hasn't been himself - on or off court - since the Celts traded him ?

i'll always believe that trade knocked a big hole in the psyches of some very emotional players who thrived around each other and who since have been a little lost.

Perk, Rondo, Davis, even KG was effected.

and Rondo's injury - did you know that there have been several studies done on athletes' vulnerability to injury as it relates to the loss of "social support" ?  laugh if you want, but i've seen that very phenomenon before.

I agree that everyone was affected, and also that 'loss of social support' can lead to injury.  That makes sense to me.  But I also think that Rondo's injury was intentionally cause by Wade.

I can't understand why so many fans don't recognize that players are human beings who react emotionally to situations like everyone else.  How does the ordinary person feel when they lose a job? - and remember, we fans EXPECT our players to emotionally bond with the teams they play for - but somehow we forget all about this when they get traded or cut.

I think you left out the emotional connection to teddy bears.

Seriously, these two are the funniest posts I've seen in my years on this blog.

There's some emotional psych needed here, but not for Perkins.

Thanks for the laugh.