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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #90 on: August 07, 2011, 07:42:09 PM »

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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #91 on: August 07, 2011, 08:30:29 PM »

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I would pipe in more often, but I find it hard to follow the draft. I am never sure which thread I will find the teams, picks and trades  in...if you are not actually doing the draft, finding your way around can be confusing and off-putting.  I don't vote for that reason. (And I think in general, that I pretty much can find my way around the blog...)
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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #92 on: August 07, 2011, 08:36:16 PM »

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Once the teams have been assembled, does it really matter where the players were selected? Does it really matter how much a GM thinks it will work or the 5000-10000 words the GM may have written about how it will work?

Subjective outside perspectives are great because they see the players as they are and not what a GM has made them into over a three week period. Sometimes players are talked about so much GMs start believing in the rhetoric. Suddenly people are believing that Wes Matthews or Kyle Lowry or Jodie Meeks or Serge Ibaka are players of a much much higher quality than they actually have shown to be and players like David West or Lebron James or Andre Iguodala or Pau Gasol or Rudy Gay are much worse players than they have shown to be.

I thought it refreshing for Redz to come in and say what he did about some of the players on the Trailblazers that had been marketed ad nauseum for 3 weeks. Not trying to pick on IP and know that Redz and IP are extremely friendly so the comment was eye opening. I think more voices like that would be great.

Wait...  isn't the goal of these "panelists" to observe and give feedback during the draft process?  If so, don't they become equally as invested in the arguments as anybody else?  

And, alternatively, if the goal is for panelists to swoop in at the last minute to render judgment without having participated in the process, isn't there at least an argument that all the debate, etc., of the draft is worthless?  I mean, if this all comes down to people deciding a winner by reputation and their own personal biases, while disregarding all the argument, stats, etc., does that really improve anything?  

I'm not sure which system you're advocating for, but I agree that more outside opinion can be interesting.  I'm not as sure about bestowing them with a title, and I definitely don't like any idea that anticipates that they wouldn't be involved in the draft during the drafting process.  If people want to do that, that's cool.  However, I'm not sure that I'd encourage it, and I'm not sure everyone would be a fan of the idea (for instance, see the Commish's comment here.)
You are putting in way to much thought into that last paragraph.

Of course they should comment throughout. Of course they will become invested and no I am not advocating them come in at the last moment to miss all the arguments and stats.

I just used Redz comment as an example of people not being in the process coming in and maybe adding a realistic view of things rather than the propagandized, over bloated view of players that those players become after people are subjected to piles and piles of words.

The reason for the titles, once again, is to keep them here.

We have advertised on the front page for participation from the outside and not received anyone.

We have started thread after thread mentioning the different aspects of the game and gotten no one.

We have advertised with threads begging people to come vote and no one.

But, if before the game starts you advertise(put it in the original thread looking for people, send out mass PMs to high quantity posters, etc.) for "Observists" to come and follow the process, comment when the want, ask questions when they want and vote at the end of the process, they might say yes because it doesn't mean the time investment of being a GM. The commish can keep in contact with them making sure they are still involved and maybe you encourage GMs to throw them TPs for doing it.

A title just makes them feel invested.

Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #93 on: August 07, 2011, 11:25:05 PM »

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Roy, I don't think Lucky or Mr. Wiggle is saying that the panel be the ONLY voters in the process but for there to be a panel to give unbiased, non-self motivated observations and opinions of the draft process and participate in the voting along with the GMs.

What's the purpose of a designated panel, then, rather than just having non-GMs participate in the process?  Isn't this exactly what myself, Fafnir, and later dark_lord all did?
I think its to encourage outside of the regular members participation in voting. You and Faf gave your opinions but you are regular CB Draft members. If we get a panel of outside the box participants, maybe we grow the draft and keep participation deeper into the draft voting.

Maybe those panelist like it so much they want to become GMs the next year.

Maybe the year after that we invite 5 other people to be those panelists and we start getting voting in the 30-35 area.

What you and Faf did was great but you are regulars with very definitive opinions about players and their value in this game. Hearing from 5 new voices would give a new perspective to people, I think.

Thanks, Nick. I wasn't nearly as articulate. And, I was just throwing some ideas out in answer to Lucky. Since it seems there are some who are strongly opposed, it's no skin off my nose.

Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #94 on: August 07, 2011, 11:28:46 PM »

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I would pipe in more often, but I find it hard to follow the draft. I am never sure which thread I will find the teams, picks and trades  in...if you are not actually doing the draft, finding your way around can be confusing and off-putting.  I don't vote for that reason. (And I think in general, that I pretty much can find my way around the blog...)

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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #95 on: August 08, 2011, 12:30:26 AM »

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As a past participant of the draft and a follower this year I have a few things that I want to touch on. I know that first, the draft order is snaked where the last pick gets first pick in the next round but I still think that superstars can make or break a team. I think it would be nice to just have the perhaps the top 3 finishers be able to choose their draft position and have all others randomized.

I also agree that having "press conferences" is not necessary. While discussion is certainly encouraged about teams, I don't think that these press conferences about how a team plans on playing or how their roster will be used besides maybe their rotation impacts the voting at all. At the end of the day it's nearly impossible to change someone's mind once they see the team on paper. Therefore, it just seems like an extraordinary amount of effort put in for no good reason.

Lasting, I personally hate the timing of the draft. That is the reason I can't participate. The picks take too long to make and the draft is set on weekdays when I have to work. It's hard enough maintaining a draft board of players live during the draft of who's still available, and that makes it impossible to have a list of players to be drafted in your absence. Also my judgement of who to draft may change during the draft depending on the type of players drafted before and just how the overall draft is going. If I see a player is dropping, I may decide to pick him up much later than I originally intended. As a result, it's painfully long to partake in live, and impossible to partake in away.

Maybe the solution is to have sorter timed picks and have it evenings/weekends? Not sure the best solution.

Maybe voting isn't even necessary... just run the teams through 2k11 and you'll have a winner.

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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #96 on: August 08, 2011, 01:02:31 AM »

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I'm not opposed to inviting some folks to serve on a panel of sorts.

What I think is more important would be a front page mention as we're recruiting GMs. (Heck at some point maybe I'll try and put together a silly logo or something.)

Roy's front page post, Vote in The CelticsBlog Draft Finals, was to my memory the first and only time we've gotten front page mention.

And while I'm glad some folks got exposed to it that way, it would seem bewildering to me to come in that late in the game.


Overall CBD #5 was terrific and i'm looking forward to either #6 (summer 2012) or #5.5 (October if the lockout is still going).
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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #97 on: August 08, 2011, 01:57:43 AM »

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I'm not opposed to inviting some folks to serve on a panel of sorts.

What I think is more important would be a front page mention as we're recruiting GMs. (Heck at some point maybe I'll try and put together a silly logo or something.)


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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #98 on: August 08, 2011, 08:39:17 AM »

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« Reply #99 on: August 08, 2011, 08:45:58 AM »

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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #100 on: August 08, 2011, 08:48:17 AM »

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I gotta vote for the championship banner styled ones. That way you could hang them side by side from your very own rafters.  ;D

Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #101 on: August 08, 2011, 08:52:33 AM »

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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #102 on: August 08, 2011, 08:55:42 AM »

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My thoughts on the draft:

-I like the idea of opening up trades before the end of the first round.  I know i for one would have liked to trade back out of the number 2 pick this year. Or tried to trade up for another first rounder.

-I like the voting method as is, though I would always welcome more outsider participation.

-The one thing I didnt like about the playoffs this year was that winners were announced of the previous round after I went to bed and then we had to have our strategies ready the next morning.  I would prefer and every other day format, to give more preperation time.


I would also like to say that I thought IP did a great job, definitely one of the top 4 commish's this draft has ever seen
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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #103 on: August 08, 2011, 09:16:27 AM »

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Re: CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?
« Reply #104 on: August 08, 2011, 11:01:59 AM »

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So what am I supposed to do with my work day now that this is over?