CB Draft exits interviews: What did you like, what could be better?

[indeedproceed]

^ Is it Redz' fault that he's astute enough to identify the best team in a matter of second / minutes, rather than after reading seven treatises of propaganda on the subject?

That's not propaganda, that's advocacy, mixed with a healthy dose of education.

I do not speak lawyer, and I will not be corrupted by your ridiculous 'logic'!

Get thou behind me, Roy Hobbs!!!!

[Edgar]

^ Is it Redz' fault that he's astute enough to identify the best team in a matter of second / minutes, rather than after reading seven treatises of propaganda on the subject?

That's not propaganda, that's advocacy, mixed with a healthy dose of education.

I do not speak lawyer, and I will not be corrupted by your ridiculous 'logic'!

Get thou behind me, Roy Hobbs!!!!

See this is over and still FUN!

[Roy H.]

^ Is it Redz' fault that he's astute enough to identify the best team in a matter of second / minutes, rather than after reading seven treatises of propaganda on the subject?

That's not propaganda, that's advocacy, mixed with a healthy dose of education.

I do not speak lawyer, and I will not be corrupted by your ridiculous 'logic'!

Get thou behind me, Roy Hobbs!!!!

Good to see that my preferred Presidential candidate, Rick Perry, has joined the debate. 

[KCattheStripe]

^ Is it Redz' fault that he's astute enough to identify the best team in a matter of second / minutes, rather than after reading seven treatises of propaganda on the subject?

That's not propaganda, that's advocacy, mixed with a healthy dose of education.

And education in propaganda?

[nickagneta]

I don't like the idea of the super modified drafted with the third round starting at GM 13 or whatever. Two years ago, Roy and Edgar traded out of the 1st round and won it all. This year GC started low and IP started pick ten and both were conference finalists. Last year I started 26th and was considered a top three Eastern Conference team with Chicago and Milwaukee and made it to the Eastern semis.

Time and again you see people with relatively low starting points going to the conference semis. Its harder, requires savvy drafting and the ability to make trades, especially after players have already been chosen, like in the mid to late rounds where trades include players. it's part of the game. It's part of the real NBA.

Yeah but the only teams you see with low starting points going far in the playoffs are the ones that make unbalanced trades.  With a somewhat strict veto rule it'd be even harder to do that.

That's absolutely not true.

This is the third year I've been in this and the first year Dons ran a as very tight commish regarding trade value and Roy's team won by trading out of the first round, accumulating lots of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks, taking older but experienced players and winning.

If anything Faf ran an even tighter ship where trade value was concerned and I was an EC semifinalist starting at 26 and again trading out of the first round.

This year which teams went far that made severely unbalanced trades. Name the trades.

I think it unfair to categorically claim that if people started late and got deep in the playoffs its because of unbalanced trades. Now I wasn't here for week 2 and I know a lot of trades went down and didn't follow them all but I also know the veto was re-install by then.

[TheTruthFot18]

Here are my 2-3 most important feedback items:

1. CB Draft 5.5 in October -- I know its a lot of work for commishes, etc. but I propose that we have another CB Draft in October if/when the lockout has cancelled training camp. And CBD 5.75 in February if the whole season is gonna be cancelled.

Yes. I'm serious.

I like this just because I'm new, AND it allows for fluctuation to players value eg. KG retires before lockout ends, Kobe goes down for season on first day back etc. 

2. 26-30 teams - 24 was too few IMO -- and yes I know that we had a hard time reaching even that. I still contend that that was b/c of the lockout and people not visiting CBlog as much (though someone could refute that who sees visitation stats obvs).

I like this too. I felt some teams (maybe more due to trades) were very stacked. I end up with better teams on NBA 2k11 drafts with all 30 teams. Although 24 is a little easier in the draft and overall organization.

4. 3 weeks of drafting instead of 2 -- again I know that this was somewhat born of necessity, but I'm not a huge fan of the 2 rounds a day. It makes them seem less important in a way. Maybe we could test this out in CBD 5.5 (see above)

I really agree here. I felt on the 2 a day picks, I had to glue myself to the laptop to see how the draft went. And this was for picking 6-13th rounders, a lot of work for less useful (mostly) players.



Great points, TP!

[mgent]

I don't like the idea of the super modified drafted with the third round starting at GM 13 or whatever. Two years ago, Roy and Edgar traded out of the 1st round and won it all. This year GC started low and IP started pick ten and both were conference finalists. Last year I started 26th and was considered a top three Eastern Conference team with Chicago and Milwaukee and made it to the Eastern semis.

Time and again you see people with relatively low starting points going to the conference semis. Its harder, requires savvy drafting and the ability to make trades, especially after players have already been chosen, like in the mid to late rounds where trades include players. it's part of the game. It's part of the real NBA.

Yeah but the only teams you see with low starting points going far in the playoffs are the ones that make unbalanced trades.  With a somewhat strict veto rule it'd be even harder to do that.

That's absolutely not true.

This is the third year I've been in this and the first year Dons ran a as very tight commish regarding trade value and Roy's team won by trading out of the first round, accumulating lots of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks, taking older but experienced players and winning.

If anything Faf ran an even tighter ship where trade value was concerned and I was an EC semifinalist starting at 26 and again trading out of the first round.

This year which teams went far that made severely unbalanced trades. Name the trades.

I think it unfair to categorically claim that if people started late and got deep in the playoffs its because of unbalanced trades. Now I wasn't here for week 2 and I know a lot of trades went down and didn't follow them all but I also know the veto was re-install by then.

Agree to disagree.  We've discussed this before, apparently you and I just have different opinions on how unbalanced a trade has to be in order to be considered unfair.

Bottom line is it's harder for picks 10-15 than it is for picks 16-30 to catch up to the superstars.  You even admitted that it's harder and teams need the ability to make trades in their favor.  They shouldn't have to be forced to make moves.  You think it's savvy GMing to make trades and move up, but some people just like taking what they're given.

Again, I just think the DRAFT should be more about who you draft than trading around.  Too many people are just sending out unfair offers hoping they can trick somebody into helping them out (at least that's what the majority of the PMs I got were).

[wdleehi]

Couple of things.

1) Veto.  Should be in the hands of the commish only.  As long as the same rule is applied to all teams, it shouldn't be a problem.  The reason, how many trades are made in the last few minutes of the pick.  This is a quick decision.  Do we want to stop the draft every time there is a trade?  



2)  Two weeks vs. three weeks.  I believe the 1st year we did three weeks.  We lost a lot of GMs that third week.  




3)  I would want trades open up sooner then the end of the 1st round.  

[Roy H.]

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3)  I would want trades open up sooner then the end of the 1st round.  

Yeah, it's worth talking about.  Perhaps allow people to complete trades the day before the draft.

We put the trade in place because in early years, savvy (or blood-thirsty) GMs would prey on weaker / less experienced managers and would stack their team before draft value could be established.  For instance, one particularly evil GM started with the 8th and 53rd picks in the draft, and somehow ended up with the 9th, 26th, 32nd, and 43rd picks.  Cutting down on pre-draft trades prevents stuff like that from happening.

[Edgar]

People to know

1) Jamison was tanking
2) Tyreeke was injuried
3) Pandas rocks

[Roy H.]

People to know

1) Jamison was tanking
2) Tyreeke was injuried
3) Pandas rocks

If "tanking" equals "old and just not that good anymore", I agree. 

[StartOrien]

What about extending the playoffs?

I know you risk running things a  little long, but it also could make for some more involved discussions. I think the people that were really active in the question proccess would've been there regardless, and you could bring in more people's attention.

With those first two days being 4 active threads it can be difficult to pay them all the proper attention.

[mgent]

What about extending the playoffs?

I know you risk running things a  little long, but it also could make for some more involved discussions. I think the people that were really active in the question proccess would've been there regardless, and you could bring in more people's attention.

With those first two days being 4 active threads it can be difficult to pay them all the proper attention.

I found it difficult to pay proper attention to both conference finals  .  However I think a longer process would decrease GM interest more than it would spark outside interest.

[wdleehi]

The more we extend the post season, the less activity we have seen. 

[StartOrien]

The more we extend the post season, the less activity we have seen. 

But is there a possibility that the up in quality would outweigh the decrease in quantity?