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Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2011, 09:41:42 PM »

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   Ainge didn't make a 'mistake", Tony Allen chose a better deal and an opportunity for more playing time.  Ainge isn't running the Celtics in a bubble.  He made what he thought was a reasonable offer.  

   During Allen's Celtic's career he was a turnover machine, showed a poor BBIQ, and an unreliable perimeter shot.  Yes he also played pretty darn good defense on the perimeter when he wasn't tricked into leaving his feet and committing a dumb foul.  All of those factors went into Ainge's offer, not just his ability to defend on the perimeter but all of negative things he brought to the floor as well. 

  I think Ainge made a reasonable offer considering his positives and negatives, how much PT was going to be available and how injury prone he has been throughout his career. Someone made a better offer and Tony Allen took it. 

Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2011, 09:49:55 PM »

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was lettin posey and house go...


Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2011, 10:20:12 PM »

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The thing people never mention about TAs play this past season heading into the playoffs was that towards the end of the year and into the playoffs he was playing very solid two-way ball. Smart restrained and skillful (within his skillset) ball.

That was new, and I doubt he couldve achieved it with the big 3a shadow. We wouldve likely gotten back 09 10 Tony, which we really needed, but I doubt we get 11 tony, which is the general presumption.

Trading KP for.a package that didn't bring back a tough defensive center was the mistake.

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Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2011, 10:26:55 PM »

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The thing people never mention about TAs play this past season heading into the playoffs was that towards the end of the year and into the playoffs he was playing very solid two-way ball. Smart restrained and skillful (within his skillset) ball.

That was new, and I doubt he couldve achieved it with the big 3a shadow. We wouldve likely gotten back 09 10 Tony, which we really needed, but I doubt we get 11 tony, which is the general presumption.

Trading KP for.a package that didn't bring back a tough defensive center was the mistake.



LOL

i have mad love for allen.

many threads here thru the years.."trade him"...blah blah

tony was always that way..the props u gave him in your reply...he put in work here..



why we see his talent AFTER he has gone....?


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Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2011, 10:29:10 PM »

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You can see the thought process. Posey was declining so he brought in Marquis Daniels and used TA as the defensive stopper. Now we have Green.

House was a defensive liability but hustled and could demoralize teams with late threes. West is a better all round player; but reliability has been an issue with both Daniels and West.

Bradley was supposed to be TA with a shot. He got burned drafting Bradley so young so he drafts two seniors. JjJ is a great pick up for where he was taken.

If Green doesn't buy in and start to get with the system soon we will have problems.

Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2011, 10:39:45 PM »

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Letting Posey walk was CLEARLY the right move.
Letting House go, I can't see how that hurt us much.
#7 for Telfair and Ratliff -- that was a good trade. The Ratliff contract-- because it was so large, but also because it was effectively being paid off by an insurance policy-- was essentially a piece to give a small market team that saved them $10mm in exchange for a superstar. That's exactly how it worked out. The flier on Telfair was a huge miss, but the Ratliff contract was incredibly valuable.

Not having TA this past year was HUGE. But there are a couple of things that stand out:
1) They offered him a 2yr deal and then matched the Grizzlies offer, but he wanted to go somewhere to start. We couldn't offer that. I guess Danny was surprised by how hard people came after him and that he wouldn't come back for the same deal.
2) This is a guy that was getting KILLED on this board for years, so its a bit ironic that people will look back and call this a big mistake. We all know he was capable of playing great basketball SOMETIMES and for SHORT stretches. We also remember his terrible ball-handling and shooting and the fact that he's been injured A LOT. Not exactly the kind of guy you want to commit major money to for a long period of time.
3) If Marquis Daniels doesn't get hurt, its not nearly so big a deal. On his best day, TA is better than Marquis, but TA's best days were kinda here and there. Both were injury prone, but TA made it all the way through the season whereas MD did not. Not sure how you could have predicted that. MD on a very very friendly deal or TA locked in for 3yrs... it didn't exactly scream out "no brainer to keep TA" a year ago, though DA did try.

To me the Antoine/Lafrentz deal (though i was 100% in favor of dealing AW) and the Blount signing stand out as the biggest wiffs. We did get a pick from Dallas which turned out pretty well though (Delonte).


Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2011, 11:58:42 PM »

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Can we move on? Please? Look, I know we are all passionate about our C's.....and ANYTHING that messes with the team we take to heart.....but c'mon....we need to start looking to the future....

Was it good? Was it bad? Hey, if we still had Perk, we'd be out of the Howard race.....we may not have a huge chance even now, but there would be NO chance.....if we did have Perk, would we have won? Who knows....there are no certainties in Basketball my friends

Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2011, 02:02:06 PM »

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I think the biggest mistake Ainge made was not resigning Tony Allen last summer.

If Ainge hadn't let him go, we would get no reason to trade Perk for a backup wing player. Tony Allen, who is arguably the best defensive guard in the league (which many of us didn't realize before), would make a tremendous difference in the Heat series. And we still got a legitimate starting center who can set solid screen and play defense.

It could be all different.



When Tony Allen ("who is arguably the best defensive guard in the league") WAS here, and the Celts needed one last stop to win a game, Tony would be on the bench and Ray Allen (an average defender, at best) would be on the court, since Doc lives and dies with his starters.

I'm glad to see Tony on a team that might better utilize his talents in crunch time.  I don't blame Ainge for letting him go though.  You can't keep everyone.

Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2011, 02:21:59 PM »

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When Tony Allen ("who is arguably the best defensive guard in the league") WAS here, and the Celts needed one last stop to win a game, Tony would be on the bench and Ray Allen (an average defender, at best) would be on the court, since Doc lives and dies with his starters.

I've always suspected that Tony Allen left partly because he was butt-hurt over playing 5 minutes in Game 7 against the Lakers when he averaged 16mpg during the playoffs.
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Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2011, 06:53:42 PM »

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When Tony Allen ("who is arguably the best defensive guard in the league") WAS here, and the Celts needed one last stop to win a game, Tony would be on the bench and Ray Allen (an average defender, at best) would be on the court, since Doc lives and dies with his starters.

I've always suspected that Tony Allen left partly because he was butt-hurt over playing 5 minutes in Game 7 against the Lakers when he averaged 16mpg during the playoffs.

...as Doc died with his starters.

Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2011, 08:28:54 PM »

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When Tony Allen ("who is arguably the best defensive guard in the league") WAS here, and the Celts needed one last stop to win a game, Tony would be on the bench and Ray Allen (an average defender, at best) would be on the court, since Doc lives and dies with his starters.

I've always suspected that Tony Allen left partly because he was butt-hurt over playing 5 minutes in Game 7 against the Lakers when he averaged 16mpg during the playoffs.

That's what I thought too.  It was a headscratcher that he didn't get more time in game 7. Nate too.  Nate even helped win a game for us in the Finals, but only got 4 minutes in game 7. :-X
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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2011, 08:59:49 PM »

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Re: The Biggest Mistake Ainge Made
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2011, 09:02:55 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2011, 09:05:29 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2011, 09:07:59 PM »

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http://Not everything went well for Ainge in basketball at first. According to Larry Bird in his autobiography Drive: The Story of My Life, Ainge had a terrible first day of practice, "shooting 0-19". The coach, Bill Fitch, gave Ainge a rough time, saying his batting average was better than his shooting percentage on the basketball court.
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