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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Sixers (1) V Magic (8)
« Reply #255 on: August 01, 2011, 07:33:28 PM »

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Still there is a reason iggy is ALWAYS in trade rumors.


That has more to do with contract than talent.

Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Knicks (3) V Nets (6)
« Reply #256 on: August 01, 2011, 07:36:49 PM »

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Deron Williams is on a whole different level than Conley.

This is a big understatement IMO and I don't think D Will is getting the respect he deserves in this thread. This is a great subway series though.  ;D

You can say they Same thing about the Durant and Deng match up as well. Tim Duncan is declining and he showed that in the playoffs so I dont think you can expect the same Timmy of old.

Any one of you guys considering the fact the wear and tear on D WIlliams he will take trying to lead this team all season might wear him down in the playoffs?
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Knicks (3) V Nets (6)
« Reply #257 on: August 01, 2011, 07:40:11 PM »

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Deron Williams is on a whole different level than Conley.

This is a big understatement IMO and I don't think D Will is getting the respect he deserves in this thread. This is a great subway series though.  ;D

You can say they Same thing about the Durant and Deng match up as well. Tim Duncan is declining and he showed that in the playoffs so I dont think you can expect the same Timmy of old.

Less of a talent difference.

Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Sixers (1) V Magic (8)
« Reply #258 on: August 01, 2011, 07:51:42 PM »

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Still there is a reason iggy is ALWAYS in trade rumors.


That has more to do with contract than talent.

You mean the reason no one has ever picked him up?

He makes less then pierce and pierce wouldn't last long at all on the trade market.


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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Knicks (3) V Nets (6)
« Reply #259 on: August 01, 2011, 07:53:51 PM »

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i like the nets!
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Wizards (4) V Bulls(5)
« Reply #260 on: August 01, 2011, 07:57:17 PM »

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This is the toughest in the east. Took me a while and I did some flip flopping but I think Felton makes Nash work too much on defense in the end. I think Washington wins the 7th game at home.
Bulls have home court. Washington would have to win on the road. And that might ultimately be why I give this series to Chicago.

Still not sure and it's why we haven't voted yet. We want to hear more from the owners on the NY/NJ and WAS/CHI series before making our vote.


Then why does the thread have Washington as the 4 seed?

NBA seeding rules.  Washington is the division winner, so they're guaranteed a top-4 seed, even though they finished behind Chicago.  However, the team with a better record gets home court.

Got you. Well I think Both teams are capable of winning road games. I still like the Wiz but its close.
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #261 on: August 01, 2011, 07:57:52 PM »

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Here's a super long post about what Paul George did well and not so well against Derek Rose in game 2 of the playoffs:

http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/04/19/the-pacers-defense-on-derrick-rose/

That will be helpful when i have one player dominate the ball a lot... Oh wait, my starting 5 has four excellent passers.



Mighta been doing research for the next rounds....

Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Sixers (1) V Magic (8)
« Reply #262 on: August 01, 2011, 08:02:00 PM »

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sixers win easily
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Wizards (4) V Bulls(5)
« Reply #263 on: August 01, 2011, 08:02:19 PM »

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i like the bulls!
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #264 on: August 01, 2011, 08:12:08 PM »

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Here's the thing MGent, beyond Tony Parker the playoff experience of the Grizzlies really isn't that more extensive than my team. Randolph and Gasol have each made one moderate Run. Courtney Lee was the 5th best player on a team that made the NBA finals. Then when you look on the bench, they really have two players who have made significant playoff contributions whereas I have 4.
4 players from your bench with significant playoff experience??

What, are you counting Darrell Arthur's and Rodney Stuckey's WHOLE combined 700 minutes of play in the playoffs?

There are words I would use to describe their playoff experience....significant isn't one of them.

Stuckey was the 6th man on an Eastern Conference Finalist. I've heard of haters gonna hate, but Dang.
Its not hate....I just think you might be twisting the facts just a lot.


I don't think that citing a player's significant playoff experience performing the role I'm asking him to is twisting the facts at all. If Stuckey being the sixth man on an Eastern Conference finalist isn't significant then I'm not sure what is. And if Marc Gasol and ZBO are suddenly savvy playoff veterans, then surely their back up Darrel Arthur is a veteran at being the third man behind a two - headed front court.

"Beyond Tony Parker..." ???

Ummm... Tony Parker has been the starting PG (otherwise known as "floor general - arguably the most important position to have experience at in the playoffs) on 3 championship teams AND is an NBA Finals MVP.  Downplaying that is like saying "beyond Lebron, that team isn't too good."  Well, even still, Lebron is THAT good that so matters a lot and, likewise, Tony has THAT much playoff experience that it is a huge deal.  There are only 7 active players that are Finals MVPs:  TP, Kobe, Dirk, Pierce, Duncan, Chauncey, and Wade.  Quite the company.  And Tony is only 29 years old so right in his prime.

And, how are you downplaying Courtney Lee's "the 5th best player on a team that made the NBA finals" yet you are talking up Stuckey's valuable playoff experience.  So Lee was the 5th best player on a Finals team and ECF finalist, yet that's no big deal compared to Stuckey being the 6th best player on a 1-time ECF finalist?  If Stuckey's experience is "significant" as you claim, then Lee is oozing with playoff experience.
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Wizards (4) V Bulls(5)
« Reply #265 on: August 01, 2011, 08:31:16 PM »

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Who is Chicago's go to guy in the half court?


In the half-court game, Nash will penetrate and create: for Haslem via pick-and-pop, for Noah with pocket passes for close-in attempts (drawing fouls). Noah is a good passer for a big man, so I envision the extra pass to a cutting Wallace or Smith/Terry for perimeter shot attempts.

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How do you trust JR Smith when his playoff numbers have been lower then his regular season number 3 straight years (with this year dropping below 10 points a playoff game)

Terry is a great insurance policy for times when Smith's shot isn't falling. I'm not worried if Smith, my #5 starter, isn't producing, because I know Terry will step up.

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Granger has had no problem putting up his numbers against Wallace.  Of course that was Granger without another offensive threat like Aldridge next to him.  Wallace has put up offensive numbers against Granger as well.  Not as high as the numbers as Granger put against Wallace and not with the better defenders around Granger the Bullets have.

Granger can score on Wallace. But the recent matchups (since 2009)show Granger has made marginal impact elsewhere in the box score: poor rebounding, few assists. If Granger is the primary weapon in the Washington offense, we'll make him beat us with his shooting.

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Aldridge has the offensive advantage against Haslem.  Noah and Gortat are going to be close to a statistical equal matchup.  

The Aldridge-Haslem battle will be a great one. Aldridge is certainly coming into his own as a player. I still think Haslem's toughness and physical play will wear on him during this series. I think I give the slight edge to Noah, on full, because of his defense, and the fact that he, not Gortat, will be playing alongside Nash.

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The backcourt.  This is the type of matchup I drafted Dragic for.  He is to fast for Nash to keep in front of him.  Dragic is a strong attacker of the basket as a PG.  He is going to force the help defense to respond.  It will create open looks for my strong offensive players and my multiple outside shooters.  I would expect to see his minutes in this series to be pushed to the 20-25 minute range.  (at the expense of Felton)  

I think the same can be said about Nash vs. Gortat on defense. Nash is just as strong an attacker of the basket, and will force the Washington defense to respond. Nash is the old hand, Gortat the young apprentice. I am sure the master has a few tricks in his arsenal that his protege has never before seen.

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As for the boards, while both teams are strong in the starting front court rebounding, the Bullets starting SG averaged 6 boards a game as a rookie.  There will be a heavy team attack on the defensive boards.  Offensively rebounding, if it is there, get it.  Otherwise, get back on defense.  

Fields' numbers, and confidence, declined after the Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony, didn't they? Was this a result of intensified pressure/scrutiny, or a self-perceived change in his role once a secondary superstar arrived on the scene? With Granger and Aldridge as the focal points of the team, will the young Fields experience a similar crisis of confidence, especially during the playoffs?

JR Smith averaged 4 rebounds in 25 minutes per game, so he's no slouch there either.

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As for the pace, the Bullets feel comfortable in their ability to slow the game down to a half court style where they have the advantage.  

It's going to come down to Felton's ability to run a half-court offense vs. our strong defensive frontline and depth. I like our chances. Obviously WD likes his as well.
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Wizards (4) V Bulls(5)
« Reply #266 on: August 01, 2011, 08:39:02 PM »

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wizards and bulls, in 3 relatively short bullet points: why do you win this series?

1. Defense/rebounding. The Bulls' five-man rotation at PF/C outstrips Washington's. Beyond Aldridge and Gortat, Washington will need to rely on two finesse bigs and a rookie.

2. Point guard play. Both teams will rely on their PGs to generate good, high-percentage shots for their teams. Nash has proven he can elevate his teammates' play on offense.

3. Experience and consistency, especially in big-game situations. Veterans Nash, Terry, and Haslem, plus the fiery Noah (28 playoff games in his brief career), have a wealth of playoff experience to draw on in comparison to their young Washington counterparts.
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Wizards (4) V Bulls(5)
« Reply #267 on: August 01, 2011, 08:59:03 PM »

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wizards and bulls, in 3 relatively short bullet points: why do you win this series?

1. Defense/rebounding. The Bulls' five-man rotation at PF/C outstrips Washington's. Beyond Aldridge and Gortat, Washington will need to rely on two finesse bigs and a rookie.

2. Point guard play. Both teams will rely on their PGs to generate good, high-percentage shots for their teams. Nash has proven he can elevate his teammates' play on offense.

3. Experience and consistency, especially in big-game situations. Veterans Nash, Terry, and Haslem, plus the fiery Noah (28 playoff games in his brief career), have a wealth of playoff experience to draw on in comparison to their young Washington counterparts.

I think you've got #3 for sure.

#2 I don't necessarily agree with.  I think Aldridge is a guy who can get his own high percentage shtos and doesn't rely on a point guard to create for him.  Granger can also create his own shots, albeit at a lower percentage, but still a decent on and he's done it for quite some time now without any good PGs alongside him.  Felton will probably be the best he's ever had.

#1 I'm also questioning.  4/5 man rotation?  This is the playoffs.  You say "beyond Aldridge and Gortat" but those two will play a huge bulk of minutes in the playoffs.  I'd say that at least one of them will be on the floor for all but maybe 3-4 minutes of each playoff game.  Both teams are good rebounding teams.
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Wizards (4) V Bulls(5)
« Reply #268 on: August 01, 2011, 09:07:26 PM »

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wizards and bulls, in 3 relatively short bullet points: why do you win this series?

1. Defense/rebounding. The Bulls' five-man rotation at PF/C outstrips Washington's. Beyond Aldridge and Gortat, Washington will need to rely on two finesse bigs and a rookie.

2. Point guard play. Both teams will rely on their PGs to generate good, high-percentage shots for their teams. Nash has proven he can elevate his teammates' play on offense.

3. Experience and consistency, especially in big-game situations. Veterans Nash, Terry, and Haslem, plus the fiery Noah (28 playoff games in his brief career), have a wealth of playoff experience to draw on in comparison to their young Washington counterparts.

I think you've got #3 for sure.

#2 I don't necessarily agree with.  I think Aldridge is a guy who can get his own high percentage shtos and doesn't rely on a point guard to create for him.  Granger can also create his own shots, albeit at a lower percentage, but still a decent on and he's done it for quite some time now without any good PGs alongside him.  Felton will probably be the best he's ever had.


Creating good, high-percentage shots. Granger too easily falls in love with the long-range, poor-percentage shot. And I'm fine with Aldridge shooting jump shots if he misses 3 out of every 5 of them.

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#1 I'm also questioning.  4/5 man rotation?  This is the playoffs.  You say "beyond Aldridge and Gortat" but those two will play a huge bulk of minutes in the playoffs.  I'd say that at least one of them will be on the floor for all but maybe 3-4 minutes of each playoff game.  Both teams are good rebounding teams.

Can Gortat play more than 35 minutes a game? Will Aldridge log 40 a night in this series without needing oxygen on the bench?

Anderson is probably the other main big off the bench for Washington, and both Pachulia and Thompson rebound at a better rate than he does. Even if this comes down to the best 3 bigs a side, I still think I've got the better horses.
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Wizards (4) V Bulls(5)
« Reply #269 on: August 01, 2011, 09:25:18 PM »

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wizards and bulls, in 3 relatively short bullet points: why do you win this series?

1. Defense/rebounding. The Bulls' five-man rotation at PF/C outstrips Washington's. Beyond Aldridge and Gortat, Washington will need to rely on two finesse bigs and a rookie.

2. Point guard play. Both teams will rely on their PGs to generate good, high-percentage shots for their teams. Nash has proven he can elevate his teammates' play on offense.

3. Experience and consistency, especially in big-game situations. Veterans Nash, Terry, and Haslem, plus the fiery Noah (28 playoff games in his brief career), have a wealth of playoff experience to draw on in comparison to their young Washington counterparts.

I think you've got #3 for sure.

#2 I don't necessarily agree with.  I think Aldridge is a guy who can get his own high percentage shtos and doesn't rely on a point guard to create for him.  Granger can also create his own shots, albeit at a lower percentage, but still a decent on and he's done it for quite some time now without any good PGs alongside him.  Felton will probably be the best he's ever had.


Creating good, high-percentage shots. Granger too easily falls in love with the long-range, poor-percentage shot. And I'm fine with Aldridge shooting jump shots if he misses 3 out of every 5 of them.

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#1 I'm also questioning.  4/5 man rotation?  This is the playoffs.  You say "beyond Aldridge and Gortat" but those two will play a huge bulk of minutes in the playoffs.  I'd say that at least one of them will be on the floor for all but maybe 3-4 minutes of each playoff game.  Both teams are good rebounding teams.

Can Gortat play more than 35 minutes a game? Will Aldridge log 40 a night in this series without needing oxygen on the bench?

Anderson is probably the other main big off the bench for Washington, and both Pachulia and Thompson rebound at a better rate than he does. Even if this comes down to the best 3 bigs a side, I still think I've got the better horses.


Anderson is better then both of your bench players.

Rebounds per 48
Anderson - 12.0
Pachulia - 12.8
Thompson - 12.5

Not a huge difference.

pts/game
Anderson - 10.6 
Pachulia - 4.4
Thompson - 8.8


Anderson when on the court, his team's offense was 4.1 points better and the defense was .7 points better

Pachulis when on the court, his team's offense was 1.5 points worse and the defense was 4.6 points worse.

Thompsons when on the court, his team's offense was 2 points better and the defense was 1.4 points better.



Throw in his ability to hit the three pointer at a .393 clip, he can open up the court.