C's should resign Baby instead of using MLE to find a replacement

[diconzo]

The Celtics should definitely consider signing Glen Davis to a generous 1 year deal. Something like a 1 year 4 million dollar deal. This would save the full MLE instead of targeting someone like Carl Landry with the MLE, and then still having a center problem. If things don't go well with Baby, we can let him walk as part of our big free agent spending spree in 2012. Also a contract with Baby's bird rights wouldn't count against our cap, leaving a lot more room to fix our problems. They should also strongly consider bringing back Wafer, West, and Green

     On a side note, the Pats are looking pretty good getting Ochocinco and Haynesworth. The pats are now our longest drought (since 2005) so it would be nice to add in a few more championships before our decade of dominance is over (Started with the Pats 1st SuperBowl in 2002, so 2012 is our last chance to squeeze in more Boston Championships)

[Q_FBE]

Signing Glen Davis is a real bad idea. He became our "star" big man after the Perkins trade It seemed. He had to play while Garnett was out and that did not work. He looked like he was hanging out at Dunkin Donuts instead of the gym. He got slow and lethargic in a contract year and worked his way down to a bit player against Miami as Jermaine Oneal took over. He looking for starters minutes and he will not get them in Boston. I like to sign up Carl Landry to replace Glen Davis. Danny A made a serious mistake trading Erden and Harangody to make room for Troy Murphy and Nenad Krstic. Of course getting rid of Perkins was an epic fail, too. Danny boywhiffed

[ederson]

Regardless of his value in this team and whether he should stay or not i don`t think you would agree to such a short contract...

[raynman]

NO! If KG was still young and productive, BBD would be our perfect backup 4.. But KG's on his last year and we need to groom his replacement. BBD would never even be a regular starter. We need to improve our team moving forward, and BBD cannot be in our future plans.

[slamtheking]

NO! If KG was still young and productive, BBD would be our perfect backup 4.. But KG's on his last year and we need to groom his replacement. BBD would never even be a regular starter. We need to improve our team moving forward, and BBD cannot be in our future plans.

the proposition was for a 1 year deal.  that's hardly impacting our future.  It does help fill the back-up PF hole on the roster right now.  It's not a bad idea by any means regardless of what anyone's opinion of BBD is.  The following year he's off the books again and Danny can resign him if needed or move on to someone else.

[2short]

No.  I think Davis has played his way out of Boston.  His play is ok for a backup pf but please remember this is the guy who wants to start.  His black hole style lost him minutes and cost the team.  I think he's already been replaced by Johnson.    A sign and trade would get us something for him otherwise I'm already to let him walk.  I rather a gun toating, injury prone, bipolar delonte west (and its not even close)

[JSD]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

[paulcowens]

Signing Glen Davis is a real bad idea. He became our "star" big man after the Perkins trade It seemed. He had to play while Garnett was out and that did not work. He looked like he was hanging out at Dunkin Donuts instead of the gym. He got slow and lethargic in a contract year and worked his way down to a bit player against Miami as Jermaine Oneal took over. He looking for starters minutes and he will not get them in Boston. I like to sign up Carl Landry to replace Glen Davis. Danny A made a serious mistake trading Erden and Harangody to make room for Troy Murphy and Nenad Krstic. Of course getting rid of Perkins was an epic fail, too. Danny boywhiffed

I agree with you about Danny's Deals, big time, but not about Glen.  As you point out yourself, he played a key role for us, filling in all over the place, and being the main guy off the bench as well as the closer, much of the time.   And I think that you and almost everyone else is missing the fact that he was obviously affected by The Trade.  This really isn't hard to understand.  All season long Davis had been our sixth man, so well established in the role that he was under consideration for post-season honors;  suddenly Danny makes a trade whose whole point seems to be to replace you as sixth man.  Davis became confused about his role with the team and that always affects him badly.

Someone who played such a key and versatile role off the bench for us?  Come on, resigning him is a no-brainer, as long as it doesn't cost too much. I'd hate to see us pay 6 million for him, but i'd even be willing to go that far, I suppose.  We badly need bigs and we badly need bench, and I don't see any magic solutions out there floating around.

What I'd like to see folks talking about more is coaching changes that could help us with the younger players, the bench and the bigs.  As we all know, the vets love Rivers, but he doesn't seem to be very good with the rest of the team.  We need to bring in some strong teachers and motivators. 

[paulcowens]

No.  I think Davis has played his way out of Boston.  His play is ok for a backup pf but please remember this is the guy who wants to start.  His black hole style lost him minutes and cost the team.  I think he's already been replaced by Johnson.    A sign and trade would get us something for him otherwise I'm already to let him walk.  I rather a gun toating, injury prone, bipolar delonte west (and its not even close)

It's hard to understand that thinking.  Davis was, by far, our key bench guy last year, and also, if you stop and think about it, our most reliable big.   Most folks here are overreacting to the early playoff bounce, and trying to scapegoat Davis for it. 

[heitingas]

Green might not take the one year qualifying offer, depending on the new CBA and Johnson is still a rookie so I would take BBD for one year, we might not even have a chance at reggie evans and troy murphy sucks.

And with delonte,wafer expressing willingness to resign and quis wanting to return we would have almost a full roster

rondo,delonte,bradley
ray,wafer,quis
pierce,green
kg,bbd,johnson
starting C,JO, free agent C

[Spilling Green Dye]

No.  I think Davis has played his way out of Boston.  His play is ok for a backup pf but please remember this is the guy who wants to start.  His black hole style lost him minutes and cost the team.  I think he's already been replaced by Johnson.    A sign and trade would get us something for him otherwise I'm already to let him walk.  I rather a gun toating, injury prone, bipolar delonte west (and its not even close)

It's hard to understand that thinking.  Davis was, by far, our key bench guy last year, and also, if you stop and think about it, our most reliable big.   Most folks here are overreacting to the early playoff bounce, and trying to scapegoat Davis for it. 

He definitely was our most reliable Big from a health standpoint.  Beyond that I disagree.  I'm not overreacting to his awful play in the playoffs... he's been statistically VERY subpar (on a league wide basis), and we should be expecting better production.

As has been mentioned above - KG is older and so we need a backup for him that will play some major minutes.  Davis is not good enough to warrant major minutes on this team.  It's better to spend the extra $$ and get a much better player.

[MBunge]

It's hard to understand that thinking.  Davis was, by far, our key bench guy last year, and also, if you stop and think about it, our most reliable big.   Most folks here are overreacting to the early playoff bounce, and trying to scapegoat Davis for it. 

Sucking so badly in the playoffs didn't help, but you have to look at Baby's career and production so far.  He's got some significant physical limitations and a questionable comittment to keeping his weight under control.  He stepped in after KG's knee injury, particularly in the playoffs, and looked like a legitimate NBA starter.  Not and all-star.  A starter.  He's never been able to consistently play at that level, however.  He also has some terrible habits on offense and is an inexplicably poor rebounder.  Udonis Haslem has a career rebounding average of 8.1 a game.  Baby's is 4.1 boards a game.

When Big Baby plays well, he's an extremely valuable player.  But when Baby doesn't play well, he's not just ineffective but actually harmful to the team.  It's hard to know what to do with such a player.

Mike

[Marcus13]

Agreed.

This team really needs to add three big men...subtracting one we have is an awful idea

[Chris]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

The worry with Davis is whether he will regress over a long term deal.  But he is absolutely a full MLE type player if you can get him on a short-term deal. 

[Spilling Green Dye]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

The worry with Davis is whether he will regress over a long term deal.  But he is absolutely a full MLE type player if you can get him on a short-term deal. 

Thankfully Danny disagrees with you. 

At $3.3 million Glen Davis managed to be the 49th most overpaid player in the league (something nearly impossible to do w/ such a small salary). 

http://wagesofwins.net/2011/07/05/just-desserts-overpaid-underpaid-remix/

If you paid him the MLE then he'd be listed right around the 20th most overpaid (with the likes of Rashard Lewis, Darko, etc).