C's should resign Baby instead of using MLE to find a replacement

[Chris]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

The worry with Davis is whether he will regress over a long term deal.  But he is absolutely a full MLE type player if you can get him on a short-term deal. 

Thankfully Danny disagrees with you. 

At $3.3 million Glen Davis managed to be the 49th most overpaid player in the league (something nearly impossible to do w/ such a small salary). 

http://wagesofwins.net/2011/07/05/just-desserts-overpaid-underpaid-remix/

If you paid him the MLE then he'd be listed right around the 20th most overpaid (with the likes of Rashard Lewis, Darko, etc). 

1. that is based on a questionable stat IMO

2. He had a terrible second half last year.  In the first half, and the previous season, he was an absolute bargain.

[Spilling Green Dye]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

The worry with Davis is whether he will regress over a long term deal.  But he is absolutely a full MLE type player if you can get him on a short-term deal. 

Thankfully Danny disagrees with you. 

At $3.3 million Glen Davis managed to be the 49th most overpaid player in the league (something nearly impossible to do w/ such a small salary). 

http://wagesofwins.net/2011/07/05/just-desserts-overpaid-underpaid-remix/

If you paid him the MLE then he'd be listed right around the 20th most overpaid (with the likes of Rashard Lewis, Darko, etc). 

1. that is based on a questionable stat IMO

2. He had a terrible second half last year.  In the first half, and the previous season, he was an absolute bargain.

Every stat is somewhat questionable.  But the same chart consistenly says that Garnett/Allen/Pierce/Rondo were our top performers.   

Davis actually got the 4th most minutes, yet produced DRASTICALLY less.  And that chart isn't for only the 2nd half.. its for the entire season.  Either his 1st half was wildly overrated, or his 2nd half was even worse than terrible.

I can easily go back to previous years and prove that he was just as bad.  Last year was no exception.

[LB3533]

How do you even calculate "Wins Produced" statistic?

[cman88]

Heres the thing. We have Alot of holes to fill in our roster(most notably center) and very little to offer to fill them. Only Veterans min contracts and the MLE...we let BBD go, that creates another hole to fill with limited resources. maybe we can do a S+T for landry. but hes likely going to want more than 1year..

for all his flaws and the egg he laid this post-season, BBD has performed well for us in the past. Perhaps the problem was that BBD was asked to play starters minutes this year as the 1st big off the bench and strayed from his role as an energy player for 20mins..I wouldnt mind overpaying for him for 1year. it keeps our MLE open to go after centers like Kwame Brown and Dalembert

Delonte/marquis/Jeff Green/BBD/Kwame brown

isnt a bad bench to put together with limited resources

[diconzo]

Heres the thing. We have Alot of holes to fill in our roster(most notably center) and very little to offer to fill them. Only Veterans min contracts and the MLE...we let BBD go, that creates another hole to fill with limited resources. maybe we can do a S+T for landry. but hes likely going to want more than 1year..

for all his flaws and the egg he laid this post-season, BBD has performed well for us in the past. Perhaps the problem was that BBD was asked to play starters minutes this year as the 1st big off the bench and strayed from his role as an energy player for 20mins..I wouldnt mind overpaying for him for 1year. it keeps our MLE open to go after centers like Kwame Brown and Dalembert

Delonte/marquis/Jeff Green/BBD/Kwame brown

isnt a bad bench to put together with limited resources

I like that bench. With a last 5 of Bradley/Moore/Brown/JaJuan/any other center we can find (Ajinca? Semih? Pryzbilla?)

[mgent]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

The worry with Davis is whether he will regress over a long term deal.  But he is absolutely a full MLE type player if you can get him on a short-term deal. 

Thankfully Danny disagrees with you. 

At $3.3 million Glen Davis managed to be the 49th most overpaid player in the league (something nearly impossible to do w/ such a small salary). 

http://wagesofwins.net/2011/07/05/just-desserts-overpaid-underpaid-remix/

If you paid him the MLE then he'd be listed right around the 20th most overpaid (with the likes of Rashard Lewis, Darko, etc). 

1. that is based on a questionable stat IMO

2. He had a terrible second half last year.  In the first half, and the previous season, he was an absolute bargain.

Who cares?  Overall he was below average.  If anything that's worse, we would've rather had him suck at the beginning of the year and step it up in the playoffs.

[Rondo_is_better]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

The worry with Davis is whether he will regress over a long term deal.  But he is absolutely a full MLE type player if you can get him on a short-term deal. 

Thankfully Danny disagrees with you. 

At $3.3 million Glen Davis managed to be the 49th most overpaid player in the league (something nearly impossible to do w/ such a small salary). 

http://wagesofwins.net/2011/07/05/just-desserts-overpaid-underpaid-remix/

If you paid him the MLE then he'd be listed right around the 20th most overpaid (with the likes of Rashard Lewis, Darko, etc). 

1. that is based on a questionable stat IMO

2. He had a terrible second half last year.  In the first half, and the previous season, he was an absolute bargain.

Who cares?  Overall he was below average.  If anything that's worse, we would've rather had him suck at the beginning of the year and step it up in the playoffs.

Just came in to say that is a terrible statistic. Visceral reaction -- sorry.

[aporel#18]

The MLE (if there's one) should be used to solve the biggest hole, that is having a backup for JO who can play 30 plus minutes if/when JO is injured again (hopefully never but...).

If they can get a quality defensive center like Samuel D'Alembert for the full MLE, they should spend it. If not, they might get Kwame Brown for 2-3 mil a year. Keep the rest of the MLE for the trade deadline and released free agents signing chances.

IMO, Baby doesn't deserve more than 2-3 mil a year.  Maybe some team will overpay him, more power to them, but the Celtics won't offer more than that. He wants more money and the spotlight, so he probably won't resign with the Celtics.

He played great against Orlando in the 2009 playoffs. He hasn't played that good except for game 4 of the 2010 Finals. He is not a starter, but he's very talented, inconsistent but sometimes brilliant. But last year he played terrible ball, maybe he was injured, maybe it's just he's not as good as he thinks he is. Danny and Doc sure know better than us, and they will offer the right money.

If Baby goes away without a S&T, they shouldn't use the MLE to replace him. Give JaJuan a chance, use Jeff Green in smallball mode, and maybe Troy Murphy or some veteran for the min. They need the MLE to get a Center.

If Rondo is healthy and finally has got over the Perk trade, that's the most important piece for the Celtics. Baby is a very good role player, but he's not the key for our team.

[cman88]

I like Jajuan johnson. but how many times on a "championship caliber team" do they rely on rookies for backup? KG needs a veteran backup...someoen who can come in, take up minutes and contribute

If we cant keep bbd, a mix of Powe/Troy murphy for the min might fill it nicely. Troy murphy is a low risk high reward kind of player if he can be in game shape/healthy.

[Jon]

I like Jajuan johnson. but how many times on a "championship caliber team" do they rely on rookies for backup? KG needs a veteran backup...someoen who can come in, take up minutes and contribute

If we cant keep bbd, a mix of Powe/Troy murphy for the min might fill it nicely. Troy murphy is a low risk high reward kind of player if he can be in game shape/healthy.

Well, the C's did rely on BBD to some extent on their 2008 championship run, and he was a rookie. 

And Rondo, Powe, and Perkins were all quite young and inexperienced.

Still, I think that BBD in green next year is potentially a good idea. 

If the NBA is going to scale down salary and lower the cap, BBD may find that he really has no option but to sign here for a similar, low salary. 

I mean if he couldn't do better than 2 years, 6 million in a good NBA financial landscape after his great 2009 playoff run, can he really expect to do better now in a poor financial landscape, especially after a subpar playoff performance?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the C's can lock him up cheap. 

And if it's only for a year or two, they might as well. 

All of this, of course, is predicated on there being a season.  If not, and Ray and KG leave, I would probably just let him walk. 

I like him, but he's not a building block. 

[mgent]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

The worry with Davis is whether he will regress over a long term deal.  But he is absolutely a full MLE type player if you can get him on a short-term deal. 

Thankfully Danny disagrees with you. 

At $3.3 million Glen Davis managed to be the 49th most overpaid player in the league (something nearly impossible to do w/ such a small salary). 

http://wagesofwins.net/2011/07/05/just-desserts-overpaid-underpaid-remix/

If you paid him the MLE then he'd be listed right around the 20th most overpaid (with the likes of Rashard Lewis, Darko, etc). 

1. that is based on a questionable stat IMO

2. He had a terrible second half last year.  In the first half, and the previous season, he was an absolute bargain.

Who cares?  Overall he was below average.  If anything that's worse, we would've rather had him suck at the beginning of the year and step it up in the playoffs.

Just came in to say that is a terrible statistic. Visceral reaction -- sorry.

I don't disagree, but you can't judge Baby as a bargain for the first half of the year when his shooting hadn't averaged out yet.

[ballin]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

The worry with Davis is whether he will regress over a long term deal.  But he is absolutely a full MLE type player if you can get him on a short-term deal. 

Thankfully Danny disagrees with you. 

At $3.3 million Glen Davis managed to be the 49th most overpaid player in the league (something nearly impossible to do w/ such a small salary). 

http://wagesofwins.net/2011/07/05/just-desserts-overpaid-underpaid-remix/

If you paid him the MLE then he'd be listed right around the 20th most overpaid (with the likes of Rashard Lewis, Darko, etc). 

1. that is based on a questionable stat IMO

2. He had a terrible second half last year.  In the first half, and the previous season, he was an absolute bargain.

Every stat is somewhat questionable.  But the same chart consistenly says that Garnett/Allen/Pierce/Rondo were our top performers.   

Davis actually got the 4th most minutes, yet produced DRASTICALLY less.  And that chart isn't for only the 2nd half.. its for the entire season.  Either his 1st half was wildly overrated, or his 2nd half was even worse than terrible.

I can easily go back to previous years and prove that he was just as bad.  Last year was no exception.

+1.

I don't know how it has escaped so many people, but Davis is terrible and has been terrible since he got in the league.

On offense:
I'm pretty sure he has the worst true shooting % on the team, and he's definitely the worst passer to boot. Translation: he is actually the worst offensive player on the entire team. Useless.

On defense:
So short that he gets lit up by just about anybody. To make matters worse, he can't rebound to save his life, so even if the other guy misses they're getting their shot back and taking another bite at the apple. Can't defend and can't rebound? Useless.

So he's terrible at both ends of the floor. Translation: HE'S TERRIBLE.

I would take somebody like Chuck Hayes over him any day of the week, since although he sucks almost as bad on offense, he takes fewer shots (so he mucks things up less) and he at least can play D in spite of being short.

[LooseCannon]

To get Davis to agree to a 1 year deal it would have to be in the $5-6 million range.

Which I would be OK with (assuming you mean 5-6 million based on the old cap numbers, or the equivalent of that in whatever the new system is).

From a productions standpoint, I think he may even be worth that kind of money...at least when he is focussed. 

Just to state the obvious, unless you think he will be focused 100% of the time (or nearly so), then he is not worth that much money, when you consider the complete package.  That's like paying an injury-prone player what you think he would be worth if he is healthy, without taking into account the likely decrease in value due to missed time.

If Glen Davis plays like a $5-6 million man 50% of the time, is absolutely worthless 25% of the time, and is somewhere in between the other 25% of the time, how much is he worth?

[wdleehi]

The Celtics have two big men.  One of which is very injury prone.



They only have one MLE to fill out the holes.


They should resign Davis (short year contract) and use the MLE to get another big man.  It should not be one or the other.