2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[StartOrien]

I'd be game for sure.

[Who]

Would you consider putting in a tier between MVP candidate (say top five in voting in any of last three seasons) and the rest of the All-Pro players. Say 14,000 for an MVP candidate and 10,000 for the rest.

Or maybe go the other way and exclude third team members. Only first and second team members make the cut. Let the third team be put under the All-Star category. Up the price to 12,000 and keep the All-Stars at 8,000.

Would that make things more balanced? Or not?

[nickagneta]

Would you consider putting in a tier between MVP candidate (say top five in voting in any of last three seasons) and the rest of the All-Pro players. Say 14,000 for an MVP candidate and 10,000 for the rest.

Or maybe go the other way and exclude third team members. Only first and second team members make the cut. Let the third team be put under the All-Star category. Up the price to 12,000 and keep the All-Stars at 8,000.

Would that make things more balanced? Or not?

I'm up for all suggestions. Just something I have been thinking about as a new draft to do and kill time so if some of us get together and work out the different scales that's cool.

Really my scales were just a starting point and a threw out the first three scales just to see what they would look like. I think there definitely has to be a higher scale. and the $6000 scale needs to be adjusted to get more players in it like maybe 9 RPG, 18 PPG, 1.75 BPG, 1.75 SPG, and 6.5 APG. Something like that.

[nickagneta]

Still, looking at this, if we get 20 teams the average team is going to be spending over a third of their money on three players. That seems about right. Then the rest they have to really think and do some proper shopping.

With no trades, it turns into a bargain hunting draft that balances out a person's ability to draft talent, stay within a budget, and balance chemistry. No complaints about unfair trades etc. Just build your team with your budget.

If the luck of the draw puts you in the lower part of the draft, so be it. Do the best with what you can

[KCattheStripe]

I like Who's suggestion of a eliminating 3rd team all NBA from the 10K tier, there's no way Andrew Bogut should cost as much as LeBron.

[nickagneta]

I like Who's suggestion of a eliminating 3rd team all NBA from the 10K tier, there's no way Andrew Bogut should cost as much as LeBron.

me 2

[KCattheStripe]

I like Who's suggestion of a eliminating 3rd team all NBA from the 10K tier, there's no way Andrew Bogut should cost as much as LeBron.

me 2

Where's IP to defend his binky?

[Who]

and the $6000 scale needs to be adjusted to get more players in it like maybe 9 RPG, 18 PPG, 1.75 BPG, 1.75 SPG, and 6.5 APG. Something like that.

Yeah, I think you are right, that 6,000 bracket should be include more players. I'm going to go on basketball reference and have a look to see what cut off points make the most sense to me ...

Points

I reckon most of the bigs and point guards will be covered by either rebounding, present scoring numbers or assists. The wing players.

If you decrease it a bit further to 17ppg, you pickup a guy like Luol Deng. Well worth it.If you go down to 16ppg, you get guys like Dorell Wright and Jeff Green. Not worth it.

I think 17ppg works best.

Assists

The 6.5 assists number is a very good marker.

Rebounding

I would lower it down to 8.5rpg to cover players like Josh Smith (8.7) and DeMarcus Cousins (8.7).

Steals

I'd leave the steals category out altogether. The major leaders in that category are already selected for other reasons (Paul, Rondo, Wade, Monta, Kidd, Westbrook).

No benefit to it. The only one who is not selected under a different category is Mario Chalmers who averaged 2spg as a rookie and has no business being in a category alongside those other 6,000 players.

If you lower it further to 1.75, you add Ariza also. Nobody else that isn't covered elsewhere. So I'd exclude it completely.

Blocks

The vast majority are already covered by the rebounding category.

Those who aren't are JaVale McGee (8.0rpg), Serge Ibaka (7.6rpg), Josh Smith (8.7rpg), Jermaine O'Neal, Ronny Turiaf Kendrick Perkins (8.0rpg).

If you lower it further to 1.75bpg; you add Ty Thomas, Roy Hibbert and DeAndre Jordan to the 6,000 bracket. I'd leave those players for the next price range down.

I would increase the blocks per game number to 2.2 to get rid of Perk + JO. Keep McGee and Ibaka. Ibaka needs to be in this price range. I'd rather McGee wasn't here but I'd live with it to keep Ibaka where he belongs.

[nickagneta]

New Value Scales for your thoughts


These values based on last 3 years of making an  MVP Balloting,All-NBA 1st and 2nd team only, All-Star, or All-Defense team:

$12500 Players(Top 3 MVP Balloting last 3 years)

Kevin Durant
Lebron James
Dwight Howard
Kobe Bryant
Derrick Rose
Dwyane Wade

$10000 Players(All-NBA 1st and 2nd team only last 3 years)

Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzski
Amare Stoudemire
Russell Westbrook
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Tim Duncan
Paul Pierce


$8000 Players(All-Stars or All-Defense last 3 years)

Tony Parker
Chauncey Billups
Joe Johnson
Andrew Bogut
Al Horford
Zach Randolph
Manu Ginobili
LaMarcus Aldridge
Ray Allen
Chris Bosh
Kevin Garnett
Rajon Rondo
Blake Griffin
Kevin Love
Tony Allen
Tyson Chandler
Andre Iguodala
Joakim Noah
Gerald Wallace
Josh Smith
Thabo Sefalosha
Anderson Varejao
Shane Battier
Ron Artest
David Lee
Jason Kidd
Chris Kaman
Devin Harris
Jammer Nelson
Mo Williams
Rashard Lewis
David West
Danny Granger

$6000 Players(Not in the above categories but performed better than  any one of these stats, 18 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.75 BPG, 1.75 SPG, and 7 APG, in the last 3 years.

Brook Lopez
Andrea Bargnani
Kevin Martin
Monta Ellis
Kris Humphries
Stephen Jackson
Tyreke Evans
Antawn Jamison
Vince Carter
Ben Gordon
Al Harrington
Marcus Camby
Carlos Boozer
Troy Murphy
Emeka Okafor
Jermaine O'Neal
Ronnie Turiaf
Chris Anderson
Brendan Haywood
Javale McGee
Serge Ibaka
Darko Milicic
Michael Beasley
Aaron brooks
Rudy Gay
Corey Maggette
Jason Terry
Richard Jefferson
Al Jefferson
Samuel Dalembert
Lamar Odom
Andre Miller
John Wall
Raymond Felton
Jose Calderon
Baron Davis
Chris Duhon
Mario Chalmers
Trevor Ariza
Stephen Curry
Mike Conley
Roy Hibbert
DeAndre Jordan
Andrew Bynum
Kendrick Perkins
Tyrus Thomas


and of course the breakdown would go from there

[StartOrien]

seems like ur def on the right track.

[nickagneta]

With the breakdown I have that's 96 players or almost the starting team for 20 teams.

Most someone could spend is $40,500 for their starting five, the least $28,000.

Then with all players being worth $4000 or less each owner would have to build their 7 player bench with their remaining money which could be anywhere from $19,500 to $32,000

[Fafnir]

An MVP caliber player is worth more than 25% more than an all-nba player, and much more than 56% more than an all-star.

[nickagneta]

An MVP caliber player is worth more than 25% more than an all-nba player, and much more than 56% more than an all-star.

Says who? Miami had 2 MVP caliber players last year and came in second. Dallas had zero and won it all. The year before Boston had zero and came in second by one really bad half in a game 7.

Hey, we are trying to deal with arbitrary and simple numbers not exact numbers. Let's not try to make this too complicated.

If we have to satisfy your idea of mathematical value ratios we can always increase the MVP scale to $13000 or $13500.

[Who]

Hmmm ... as I look at that list, I wonder if the teams will be any different from previous drafts?

The no-trade rule changes things but aside from that ... I don't think the prices are going to have as much impact as I thought they would.

Not sure I am right but it looks to me as if teams can bring in pretty much whoever they want given their draft position ... that the prices of players won't really inhibit their choices for their first 6/7 selections.

I think the prices might need to increase.

[nickagneta]

Hmmm ... as I look at that list, I wonder if the teams will be any different from previous drafts?

The no-trade rule changes things but aside from that ... I don't think the prices are going to have as much impact as I thought they would.

Not sure I am right but it looks to me as if teams can bring in pretty much whoever they want given their draft position ... that the prices of players won't really inhibit their choices for their first 6/7 selections.

I think the prices might need to increase.

Or you lower the total amount to spend to $50000 or $55000