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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #630 on: July 19, 2011, 08:58:57 PM »

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Southwest

1.   San Antonio
2.   Memphis
3.   Dallas
4.   Cleveland

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« Reply #631 on: July 19, 2011, 09:03:31 PM »

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The Army Ants solidify defense in the 2nd unit as they select

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A very good backup PG for Rondo. Maybe. Probably. Possibly.

I'd love to see T-Will get a long look at the PG position. He seems very interesting there.

He's a good passer but I'll have him backing up Caron when Marcus Thornton is on the floor as Thornton gives up effort to play D but not very much known for it.

That way with Caron and DeShawn and Marcus-T-Will, there's a balance of offense and defense in the wing.
I don't like T-Williams as a small forward.

He doesn't have the size for it. He is a below average defender at that position. Doesn't play well against guys who are bigger than him.

Plug him in at either of the guard spots (PG or SG) and he is an effective defensive player.

T-Will's natural position is SF. To be honest I never heard T-Will played PG.

 He's a wing player for the Nets and got traded to Houston so I believe he can play SF. I do agree that he's undersized at 6'6". I disagree though that he's below average defender at the wing as defending is one thing he is known for.

T-Will's current position = shooting guard

The position where he holds the most potential = point guard

I never really thought of T-Will as a PG. However I like the idea. Thornton can be the PG in the position but it's Williams creating. While he will also defend the opposing 2's.
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PG: Jrue Holiday / Isaiah Thomas / Larry Hughes
SG: Paul George / Aaron McKie / Bradley Beal
SF: Paul Pierce / Tayshaun Prince / Brian Scalabrine
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge / Shareef Abdur-Raheem / Ben Simmons
C: Jermaine O'neal / Ben Wallace

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #632 on: July 19, 2011, 09:10:57 PM »

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Gonna give it a go with the rankings

Atlantic
1. Philly
2. NJ
3. Boston
4.NY

Central
1.Pawnee
2.El Salvador
3.Detroit
4.Chicago

For Detroit and Chicago, I really like your teams, I think they would fair better in the palyoffs than el salvador, but think El Salvador would win more regular season games

Southeast
1.Washington
2. Orlando
3. South Beach (team of the future)
4.Atlanta

Southwest
1.Memphis
2.San Antonio
3.Dallas
4.Cleveland (I really wanted to put this team ahead of Dallas, Rubio is keeping me from it)

Northwest
1.Denver
2.Portland
3.Utah
4.OKC

Pacific
1.Sac
2.Phoenix (No offense to who's team here, i really like what he has got, and I know Nick does as it features both Bynum and Manu)
3.LA
4.GSW

La and GSW, I think you would both be ranked second in divisions in the east.

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #633 on: July 19, 2011, 09:19:12 PM »

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Hahaha - that was good - up to this point I've just only gotten leading questions in lieu of any team assessment at all.

That's fair. Sometimes rivalries in this game can engender a bit a guarded analysis that won't tip your hand.

Cavaliers Pros:

The offense on this team isn't hard at all to figure out, and that means it was well-conceived. Rubio is the straw that stirs the drink. Since he's not a good long-range shooter, he'll need to penetrate and create space. As long as that is within his ballpark, he's got some really good tools at his disposal, and that starts with Kevin Garnett.

Garnett's presence at the center will not be a total win, but on offense he ought to be pretty close. He's lost a lot of the speed on his formerly lethal first-step to the point where it cannot be an 'every down' weapon, but his jumper hasn't gone anywhere, and that ability will keep most centers (and most teams' defense anchors) from being nearly as effective as a help defender and lay-up/dunk deterrent.

That's important because it opens up runways so Blake Griffin can dunk on the souls of the league. Add Gallo, Redick, and Frye to that mix, and you've got long range shooters, solid midrange threats, and a lethal finisher with a clear runway.

I don't know how good Blake Griffin will be when its all said and done, but he should take a nice step forward next season, hopefully manifesting its self in a small step forward on his jumpshot (he shot just 37% on 9 attempted 2pt jumpers per game) and his defensive acumen. He should be just below the ceiling for a 2nd team All-NBA select next year, and should be a lock to repeat as an All-Star

Defensively this team has its issues, but its not on the perimeter. Rubio allegedly is a good enough defender, and next to him is JJ Redick who has held his own as adaquate against the league's guards for years now. Gallinari is a liability defensively, but Thabo Sefelosha is still one of the best perimeter defenders out there. On top of that, Sefelosha can guard most 3's as well as 2's and 1's (especially if the 1's are a little slower, or the 3's are a little lighter or smaller), and there is so much offensive firepower on this team that they can afford long stretches with a offensive underachiever in Thabo out there, because where most teams keep their offensively challenged guy (Center), the Cavs are rock solid.

Cons:


I don't know how the Cavs will deal with the larger offensively capable centers in the league, other than to run them out of the building. KG isn't built for the banging that he'll take from the Andrew Bynums, Boguts, and Howards of the league, and neither is anyone else on the Cavs roster. Teams that play inside-out ball or have a real offensive weapon at the center position will have a clear blueprint on how to succeed, because Garnett will not be able to play the disciplined help defense he likes to, and Blake Griffin is not good enough yet to do what Garnett does in his place.

Gallinari is another real problem area for Cleveland (as noted above), because he's too slow for the faster SF's, and too weak for the burlier ones. He'll need help against those guys, and the problem is that leaves the paint open for layups and dunks from the opposing teams' bigs.

Aside from injury concerns to Garnett, the other looming question as discussed previous is Ricky Rubio. Depending on who you read, or talk to, he may or may not have the tools to be a effective defender and ball distributor right away. The one thing everyone agrees on however is that he can't shoot, and he isn't a stellar athlete. This means that teams will just "Rondo" him up, and back off him. He'll have room to pass, but unlike Rondo he doesn't have 3 straight years of 8+ assist per game NBA seasons to draw on to prove he can still do his thing even when teams back off him. Plus, he's not nearly as fast, so the more athletic competition he'll face in the NBA will have an easier time anticipating his drives, and countering them. If Rubio can't get the ball to his teammates in a fashion that puts them in a place to succeed, the whole thing kind of falls apart, and the one truism in the NBA is that all rookies struggle mentally when they first enter the league, especially when they're asked to do too much. Asking Rubio to start and lead a high paced multi-faceted offensive team with multiple options might seem like a dream come true, but even in the best case scenario its going to involve some significant growing pains as the season wears on.

All in all, I think Cleveland has built a very very interesting team, but they need to bulk up at the center position with a starting-caliber option. Not that they'll start him, but because A) They'll need that option at some points and B) Garnett WILL get hurt, and Channing Frye will make what was a tenuous interior defense into a lay-up line. They also need a very competent backup PG (the Jennings comparison to Rubio was an interesting one, but even Jennings had Luke Ridnour, right). What they don't need is more skill on the wings or frontcourt, and they don't need more athleticism.

That's 860 words of analysis, and I expect a dozen TP's, as well as analysis in kind. Unless all that's out there are leading questions. ;)

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #634 on: July 19, 2011, 09:19:35 PM »

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The Celtics are ok with these rankings of 3rd in the atlantic as long as everyone understand we'll go bananas in the playoffs.

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #635 on: July 19, 2011, 09:21:01 PM »

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The Celtics are ok with these rankings of 3rd in the atlantic as long as everyone understand we'll go bananas in the playoffs.

I'm actually surprised by how many people have Boston in 3rd.  I see you as neck-and-neck with the 76ers for best in the division.


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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #636 on: July 19, 2011, 09:25:26 PM »

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The Celtics are ok with these rankings of 3rd in the atlantic as long as everyone understand we'll go bananas in the playoffs.

I'm actually surprised by how many people have Boston in 3rd.  I see you as neck-and-neck with the 76ers for best in the division.

It think it's a chronic case of people realizing next summer how right I was this summer.

Or more likely people have soured on Duncan because his decline has seemed worse because his frontcourt partners have been Matt Bonner and the ghost of Antonio McDyess, they haven't seen enough of Eric Gordon, people have soured a bit on Stuckey because he is trapped in combo guard limbo in Detroit and Greg Monroe is, admittedly, a still fairly unknown commodity.

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #637 on: July 19, 2011, 09:26:05 PM »

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I'll have at it, using roster page:

Atlantic

Philly
Boston
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New Jersey
New York

Central

Pawnee
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Detroit
El Salvador
Chicago

Southeast

Washington
---
Orlando
---
Atlanta
South Beach

South West

Memphis
Dallas
San Antonio
---
Cleveland

North West

Denver
Portland
---
OKC
---
Utah

Pacific

Sacramento
---
Golden State
Phoenix
---
LA

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #638 on: July 19, 2011, 09:30:39 PM »

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The Celtics are ok with these rankings of 3rd in the atlantic as long as everyone understand we'll go bananas in the playoffs.

I'm actually surprised by how many people have Boston in 3rd.  I see you as neck-and-neck with the 76ers for best in the division.

It think it's a chronic case of people realizing next summer how right I was this summer.

Or more likely people have soured on Duncan because his decline has seemed worse because his frontcourt partners have been Matt Bonner and the ghost of Antonio McDyess, they haven't seen enough of Eric Gordon, people have soured a bit on Stuckey because he is trapped in combo guard limbo in Detroit and Greg Monroe is, admittedly, a still fairly unknown commodity.

So basically you're saying you're ranked lower because other people aren't as insightful as you are?

(Kidding, it just seemed funny to say)

Tim Duncan is up there with Michael Jordan, Shaq, KG and Steve Nash in the echelon of talent that "I'll believe they're done when they retire" category. Duncan is coming off his worst year, but even than he still shot 50% plus, rebounded better than most of the league, and still made super-smart basketball decisions.

I still don't understand how he lost in the playoffs so early.

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #639 on: July 19, 2011, 09:32:10 PM »

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The Celtics are ok with these rankings of 3rd in the atlantic as long as everyone understand we'll go bananas in the playoffs.

I'm actually surprised by how many people have Boston in 3rd.  I see you as neck-and-neck with the 76ers for best in the division.

It think it's a chronic case of people realizing next summer how right I was this summer.

Or more likely people have soured on Duncan because his decline has seemed worse because his frontcourt partners have been Matt Bonner and the ghost of Antonio McDyess, they haven't seen enough of Eric Gordon, people have soured a bit on Stuckey because he is trapped in combo guard limbo in Detroit and Greg Monroe is, admittedly, a still fairly unknown commodity.

So basically you're saying you're ranked lower because other people aren't as insightful as you are?

(Kidding, it just seemed funny to say)

Tim Duncan is up there with Michael Jordan, Shaq, KG and Steve Nash in the echelon of talent that "I'll believe they're done when they retire" category. Duncan is coming off his worst year, but even than he still shot 50% plus, rebounded better than most of the league, and still made super-smart basketball decisions.

I still don't understand how he lost in the playoffs so early.

Because they tried to guard Gaso/Randolph with Bonner or McDyess.

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #640 on: July 19, 2011, 09:42:32 PM »

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The Celtics are ok with these rankings of 3rd in the atlantic as long as everyone understand we'll go bananas in the playoffs.

I'm actually surprised by how many people have Boston in 3rd.  I see you as neck-and-neck with the 76ers for best in the division.

It think it's a chronic case of people realizing next summer how right I was this summer.

Or more likely people have soured on Duncan because his decline has seemed worse because his frontcourt partners have been Matt Bonner and the ghost of Antonio McDyess, they haven't seen enough of Eric Gordon, people have soured a bit on Stuckey because he is trapped in combo guard limbo in Detroit and Greg Monroe is, admittedly, a still fairly unknown commodity.

So basically you're saying you're ranked lower because other people aren't as insightful as you are?

(Kidding, it just seemed funny to say)

No, it's because people refuse to acknowledge just how blindly lucky I am. ;D

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #641 on: July 19, 2011, 09:56:08 PM »

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #644 on: July 19, 2011, 09:59:29 PM »

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Question: Which team (thus far assembled) is most likely to rack up 55+ regular season wins but nosedive in the playoffs?

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner