The Nuclear Option: Moving Rondo and Pierce

[BballTim]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

  If the Clippers think Rondo is a second tier pg then they'd never consider it. If they see him as one of the top pgs in the league like many others do they'd have a different take on the situation. You give up a shot at the title for Kaman, a player who's not as good as Rondo, a couple of decent prospects and a draft pick. it closes our window without giving us a great future.

[Michael Anthony]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

exactly, now if the Min #1 wasn't included you might see LA at least think about it and I'd still probably do that trade.

Yeah, I think that would be much more reasonable.  Of course it makes it tougher to swallow for the C's, and it would probably come down to what they think of Aminu and Bledsoe (who Danny was high on before he was drafted), but it would certainly be an interesting "blow it up" option though. 

You guys are making a lot of sense.

The pick is really valuable because it is our only garaunteed asset - Bledsoe and Aminu could regress, Gordon could walk, and the free agents could go elsewhere.

I would be willing to conceed our two first rounders, Green, Davis or a future first. I would even let them put Top 2 protection on it.

[Michael Anthony]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

  If the Clippers think Rondo is a second tier pg then they'd never consider it. If they see him as one of the top pgs in the league like many others do they'd have a different take on the situation. You give up a shot at the title for Kaman, a player who's not as good as Rondo, a couple of decent prospects and a draft pick. it closes our window without giving us a great future.

You forgot cap space, a huge asset in this league. Exhibit A: Miami Heat

[TheTruthFot18]

Love it. But as someone said Love doesnt fit for a number of obvious reasons. He dominates the boards in minny because his starting center is Darko, not DHoward. I'd rather have alower scoring/rebounding pf who could at least play some D and get some steals or blocks in here or there. Otherwise This is one of the best blow it all up trades.

[Casperian]

I would be willing to conceed our two first rounders, Green, Davis or a future first. I would even let them put Top 2 protection on it.

We still have the 2012 Clippers´ first.

I would love to see Eric Gordon in green.

[Moranis]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

exactly, now if the Min #1 wasn't included you might see LA at least think about it and I'd still probably do that trade.

Yeah, I think that would be much more reasonable.  Of course it makes it tougher to swallow for the C's, and it would probably come down to what they think of Aminu and Bledsoe (who Danny was high on before he was drafted), but it would certainly be an interesting "blow it up" option though.  

Honestly I don't think it is that much of a "blow it up" option as I think that team is still very much in the mix in the East.

I think we could also tweak the trade to provide more depth.  For example, we can just take on Mo Williams without sending anything else back (and something LA would probably be fine with).  Mo isn't an all star but he provides some solid veteran leadership and can still play (he does add an extra year of salary though).  He is a good player to bridge the gap before just handing it over to Bledsoe.  The Clippers also have Ryan Gomes who we could bring back as a bench player to provide some wing depth (rather then Williams).

That would leave the C's with the following rotation

Williams/Bledsoe/West
Gordon/Allen/Bradley/West
Green/Aminu/Daniels
Garnett/JO/Davis/Johnson
Kaman/JO

I'm assuming Moore doesn't make the team which leaves an open roster spot for a center.  I also wouldn't be surprised if Daniels or West is let go, opening up another spot.

[BballTim]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

  If the Clippers think Rondo is a second tier pg then they'd never consider it. If they see him as one of the top pgs in the league like many others do they'd have a different take on the situation. You give up a shot at the title for Kaman, a player who's not as good as Rondo, a couple of decent prospects and a draft pick. it closes our window without giving us a great future.

You forgot cap space, a huge asset in this league. Exhibit A: Miami Heat

  Exhibit B: the 5-6 teams with cap space that *didn't* get LeBron.

[Eja117]

All I know is nuclear weapons are an important part of the US arsenal and nuclear energy is an indispensable part of the US energy mix

[Moranis]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

  If the Clippers think Rondo is a second tier pg then they'd never consider it. If they see him as one of the top pgs in the league like many others do they'd have a different take on the situation. You give up a shot at the title for Kaman, a player who's not as good as Rondo, a couple of decent prospects and a draft pick. it closes our window without giving us a great future.

You forgot cap space, a huge asset in this league. Exhibit A: Miami Heat

  Exhibit B: the 5-6 teams with cap space that *didn't* get LeBron.

well the Knicks got Amare and the Bulls got Boozer.  Not exactly a terrible usage of cap space (though Boozer is looking more debateable).

[BballTim]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

  If the Clippers think Rondo is a second tier pg then they'd never consider it. If they see him as one of the top pgs in the league like many others do they'd have a different take on the situation. You give up a shot at the title for Kaman, a player who's not as good as Rondo, a couple of decent prospects and a draft pick. it closes our window without giving us a great future.

You forgot cap space, a huge asset in this league. Exhibit A: Miami Heat

  Exhibit B: the 5-6 teams with cap space that *didn't* get LeBron.

well the Knicks got Amare and the Bulls got Boozer.  Not exactly a terrible usage of cap space (though Boozer is looking more debateable).

  So you'd give up another shot at the title for Eric Gordon, a draft pick and a Boozer-level player?

[jdz101]

Lol where is the Celtics identity without R2P2? All the millions of kids with rondo jerseys just gotta wait for someone new?? I would find it very hard to follow the Celtics after this trade.

[BASS_THUMPER]

no no no

i need to see one more run with a solid center who can run the whole season..

this team needs one more chance like biggie

"firsts things first i poppa..."

[Edgar]

or the clippers keep their players ( i am no sure about the ontracts but shouldnt be that big)
and finally make their own young contender with
griffin,gordon,jordan and some other young star
pray  for kaman
use the money to get a vet pg ala Miller style and a decent SF or at least a liable defensive vet
like prince or even redd or one who keeps healthy at least
and dominate the west
I see this closer to happend

unless we are talking about clips and they screw all

[Moranis]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

  If the Clippers think Rondo is a second tier pg then they'd never consider it. If they see him as one of the top pgs in the league like many others do they'd have a different take on the situation. You give up a shot at the title for Kaman, a player who's not as good as Rondo, a couple of decent prospects and a draft pick. it closes our window without giving us a great future.

You forgot cap space, a huge asset in this league. Exhibit A: Miami Heat

  Exhibit B: the 5-6 teams with cap space that *didn't* get LeBron.

well the Knicks got Amare and the Bulls got Boozer.  Not exactly a terrible usage of cap space (though Boozer is looking more debateable).

  So you'd give up another shot at the title for Eric Gordon, a draft pick and a Boozer-level player?

The Celtics are not winning the title next year without making moves. 

[BballTim]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

  If the Clippers think Rondo is a second tier pg then they'd never consider it. If they see him as one of the top pgs in the league like many others do they'd have a different take on the situation. You give up a shot at the title for Kaman, a player who's not as good as Rondo, a couple of decent prospects and a draft pick. it closes our window without giving us a great future.

You forgot cap space, a huge asset in this league. Exhibit A: Miami Heat

  Exhibit B: the 5-6 teams with cap space that *didn't* get LeBron.

well the Knicks got Amare and the Bulls got Boozer.  Not exactly a terrible usage of cap space (though Boozer is looking more debateable).

  So you'd give up another shot at the title for Eric Gordon, a draft pick and a Boozer-level player?

The Celtics are not winning the title next year without making moves. 

  Obviously they'll make some moves. Do you expect them to enter the season with no changes to our current roster?