The Nuclear Option: Moving Rondo and Pierce

[Michael Anthony]

The following assumes similar CBA
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Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

[Kwhit10]

If that future lineup is guaranteed then I think it would be an awesome move to ensure future success.  But making the trade on just a pipe dream of landing those players would not want me to do it.  Dwight might just get traded and this then goes out the window.

[Marcus13]

I'd be ecstatic with it.

I, personally, don't see LA moving that 1st, Kaman, and Gordon though considering Pierce's age.  I could be wrong though.

[Chris]

I'd be ecstatic with it.

I, personally, don't see LA moving that 1st, Kaman, and Gordon though considering Pierce's age.  I could be wrong though.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance they move Gordon AND that pick, unless they are getting a true superstar in his prime (Paul or Howard) in return. 

[BballTim]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

[RR9]

14M is probably based on what lebron, bosh, and wade signed.  Kevin Love isn't worth a max contract.  His defense won't fit the celtics imo.  He's too much a numbers guy and not a team player.  PP is obvi retiring in green after everything.  Rondo may or may not get traded, but why would we have signed him to such a cheap deal?  If we traded him away to get value, we might not retain as much cap space for the money we've signed him for!  So we're picking up good players for Rondo/PP and then dropping them in hopes of signing ridiculously good 'franchise players' in free agency?  We'd have a little too much cap, and I think it's too much of a gamble...unless DA can pull a pat riley type stunt.  That'd be really tough!  Not to mention, when everyone does come off the books, wouldn't we wanna resign Gordon at least?  I dunno if there'd be room for the cp, dh, AND kl.

I'd like to see a Rondo-Jsmith-DH core.  If you take Rondo's penetration and passing ability and match it with athleticism that can finish at the rim (Offensive side) WITH all good defenders who can pick the passing lanes and run, that would be tandem all day and night.  Just imagine the alley-oops!  In fact, I'd like this core so much I think I'm gonna suggest this as a new thread lol.

[wdleehi]

While I think it is a possibility that both are traded, I don't see them both going out in the same trade. 

[paulcowens]

I think we didn't have a bad Rondo trade idea yesterday, so thank goodness we are back on track today.   We have possibly the best young talent in the league, in Rondo, and one of the best vets in the league, PP, and all folks wanna do is trade them away. 

It's really very perverse. 

Both should be untouchable.  Period.  And if you really wand DH, we may have a better chance of landing him WITH Rondo, arguably the best assist man in the league.

[Michael Anthony]

I'd be ecstatic with it.

I, personally, don't see LA moving that 1st, Kaman, and Gordon though considering Pierce's age.  I could be wrong though.

Yeah, I don't think there is any chance they move Gordon AND that pick, unless they are getting a true superstar in his prime (Paul or Howard) in return. 

That is definately the fly in the ointment. It depends on two things:

1. How much better does Rondo make Griffin and Jordan
2. Do they want to compete for a title next season

We could always sweeten the pot with Baby, Green and our two picks - I still think it would be worth it.

[manl_lui]

idk as much as I want Dwight and those other 2 players...like the above all said...

if those 3 are guaranteed to come here Im all for it...but if not, i rather not take that risk and blow our chances completely with Dwight...

cuz if we trade them both away and end up not getting 2/3 of the players you mention then we're screwed

also I really want to see Pierce retire in Green and at this moment, Rondo should remain a Celtic

[Michael Anthony]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

There are only three other teams that can afford to sign Paul and Howard: Indiana, Houston and New Jersey.

We can hopefully scratch Indiana due to location/market

Houston can offer each player about $16 million to play next to Lowry, Martin and Scola. They would have to dump every other player option on that team. Pretty solid, but probably not as good as the Boston situation described above.

Jersey can offer Howard the max to play with D-Will, Outlaw, Morrow, Farmar and Petro. That number drops to $14 million if they pickup the Lopez qualifying offer. Very solid, a few extra dollars, get to play in Brooklyn.

If it is a dollars issue, Boston could max out Howard and Paul, and still have $8 million to go after a power forward. The supporting cast of Gordon, Aminu, Bledsoe, Bradley, Purdue and the pick is probably just slightly better than what the other teams have. Doc is obvious a big part of it, as is the willingness of KG and Ray to come back on vet-minimum deals.

[PosImpos]

I think we didn't have a bad Rondo trade idea yesterday, so thank goodness we are back on track today.   We have possibly the best young talent in the league, in Rondo, and one of the best vets in the league, PP, and all folks wanna do is trade them away. 

It's really very perverse. 

Both should be untouchable.  Period.  And if you really wand DH, we may have a better chance of landing him WITH Rondo, arguably the best assist man in the league.

possibly the best young talent in the league?  really?

how thick are those green glasses?

[Chris]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

[Moranis]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

exactly, now if the Min #1 wasn't included you might see LA at least think about it and I'd still probably do that trade.

[Chris]

The following assumes similar CBA
------------------------------------
Pierce and Rondo to LAC
Kamen, Gordon, Bledsoe, Aminu, Min #1 to BOS

The Clippers are instant favorites in the West. Rondo-Whoever-Pierce-Griffin-Jordan with Williams-Foye-Gomes of the bench is a sick team.

Boston's 2011-2012 offseason contract commitment: $12 million

That is enough cap to offer three $14 million deals. Chris Paul, Kevin Love and Dwight Howard.

Paul - Gordon - Aminu - Love - Howard

Bledsoe, Bradley and the kids from Purdue do not make the most impressive bench, but add some vet minimum guys AND A TOP 5 DRAFT PICK...

Lets also not rule out the posibility of KG and Ray coming back for one or two more rings on tiny contracts...

  What if you don't sign the three max contract players? then you've traded PP and Rondo for a chance to be the TWolves or the Kings.

  Plus, won't DH and CP get more than $14M? They both make more than that now. They'd probably combine for $33M or so in the first year of their deals.

Well, from a pure value standpoint, I actually think that package is an absolute steal for the C's, even if they don't get those free agents...which is why I don't think the Clippers touch it.

You get a potentially high lottery pick in a loaded draft, a guy who looked like a star in the making (Gordon), a quality center on an expiring contract, and 2 highly thought of prospects.

That is a TON to give up for an aging star and a second tier PG.  

While it certainly would be taking a step back for the C's, that deal would put them in tremendous position to rebuild on the fly, whether it is with Howard and Paul or not.  

But again, even the Clippers would never consider it.  

exactly, now if the Min #1 wasn't included you might see LA at least think about it and I'd still probably do that trade.

Yeah, I think that would be much more reasonable.  Of course it makes it tougher to swallow for the C's, and it would probably come down to what they think of Aminu and Bledsoe (who Danny was high on before he was drafted), but it would certainly be an interesting "blow it up" option though.