Would MJ have won 6 rings without Phil Jackson?

[Eja117]

I doubt it.

Yeah Phil really pulled off miracles.

Most....overrated....coach....ever...in....any.....sport

[RebusRankin]

He'd have won 6. Now take away Pippen....

[shonibates]

Depends on who the commissioner is and how much he loves Jordan.

[Adelaide Celt]

Probably fair to say MJ would've won 8 straight titles, regardless of who was coaching, if he'd played full seasons in 94 and 95. He was that good.

[Tai]

The better question is how many rings would Jordan have won without the Jordan Rules?

At least one less for sure.  No other player of that era would have gotten away with the flagrant pushoff on Bryon Russell in front of 2 officials.

 

Dude...cry more. Seriously.

That said, I'm not so sure MJ wins 6 titles without Phil. Like others have said, it's hard to say if Phil really is such a great coach since he always seemed to have not just a great player on his teams, but the best player in the NBA on his teams. None the less, I do think Phil should get credit.

[Junkyard Dawg]

None the less, I do think Phil should get credit

Not me. If Phil Jackson had never had MJ, we wouldn't even know who he was.  Some dude who played for the Knicks way back when.

You would have had to have been a complete authoritarian freak to mismanage those Bulls teams with the help they had from the refs.  Jackson gets credit for being an easy guy to play for, and that's it.

[Celtics4ever]

He was a nobody coaching wise before Jordan.   I think he the epitome of the only as good as his players type of coach.   Never once he take a challenge of developing a team into a winner without one of the game's best players at the time on it.   

Tex Winter was the X and O's behind the triangle not Phil.   Phil's genius was managing personalities and he is one of the best at that and pushing buttons ever.  I have to vote same number as LeBron without MJ he would have never gotten the opportunity.  Though I truly believe that guys who come off the bench as players make the best coaches as they see more from the bench. 

[European NBA fan]

The better question is how many rings would Jordan have won without the Jordan Rules?

At least one less for sure.  No other player of that era would have gotten away with the flagrant pushoff on Bryon Russell in front of 2 officials.

How could he win less without the Jordan Rules? The Jordan Rules was the Pistons' defensive scheme against him, and he would rather have won more without that.

[CelticsFanNC]

Probably fair to say MJ would've won 8 straight titles, regardless of who was coaching, if he'd played full seasons in 94 and 95. He was that good.

.....and the competition in the NBA at that time was that bad.

[Overrated]

No other player of that era would have gotten away with the flagrant pushoff on Bryon Russell in front of 2 officials.

[jc3celticsphan]

The real question is will phill jackson be a great coach. Without kobe n jordan and shaq and gasol and pippen...

[KCattheStripe]

Basketball cannot be coached, it can only be played. - Dr. James Naismith.

[ManUp]

Probably not.

You can't get mad at Jackson for winning with winning talent.

[slamtheking]

The better question is how many rings would Jordan have won without the Jordan Rules?

At least one less for sure.  No other player of that era would have gotten away with the flagrant pushoff on Bryon Russell in front of 2 officials.

How could he win less without the Jordan Rules? The Jordan Rules was the Pistons' defensive scheme against him, and he would rather have won more without that.

The "Jordan Rules" are the rules by which superstars receive special treatment by the refs in overlooking their fouls/violations while their defenders receive excessive fouls/violations.  It's not the name of the Pistons defensive scheme.

Example 1: Jordan drives to the hoop and a defender swipes at the ball (contact with Jordan is irrelevant) --> foul on the defender.
Example 2: Defender drives to the hoop on Jordan and he swipes the ball making contact with the player --> no foul on Jordan probably resulting in Jordan gaining possession of the ball. (with a subsequent fastbreak basket and another foul on the player trying to stop Jordan)
Those are the Jordan Rules which have been applied for every player Stern has appointed as a media-darling for the league since MJ's initial retirement (Shaq, Kobe, Bron, Wade, etc..)

[European NBA fan]

The better question is how many rings would Jordan have won without the Jordan Rules?

At least one less for sure.  No other player of that era would have gotten away with the flagrant pushoff on Bryon Russell in front of 2 officials.

How could he win less without the Jordan Rules? The Jordan Rules was the Pistons' defensive scheme against him, and he would rather have won more without that.

The "Jordan Rules" are the rules by which superstars receive special treatment by the refs in overlooking their fouls/violations while their defenders receive excessive fouls/violations.  It's not the name of the Pistons defensive scheme.

Example 1: Jordan drives to the hoop and a defender swipes at the ball (contact with Jordan is irrelevant) --> foul on the defender.
Example 2: Defender drives to the hoop on Jordan and he swipes the ball making contact with the player --> no foul on Jordan probably resulting in Jordan gaining possession of the ball. (with a subsequent fastbreak basket and another foul on the player trying to stop Jordan)
Those are the Jordan Rules which have been applied for every player Stern has appointed as a media-darling for the league since MJ's initial retirement (Shaq, Kobe, Bron, Wade, etc..)

Sorry but you are wrong. As I stated above, The Jordan Rules was a defensive scheme used by the Bad Boys Pistons:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jack_mccallum/05/28/daly.lebron/index.html
http://books.simonandschuster.com/Jordan-Rules/Sam-Smith/9780671796662/excerpt_with_id/2314