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Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2011, 09:20:22 PM »

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if we had enough resources, then sure let him walk....but we dont have much, and need to fill a hole at Center as well. I cant think of anyone we get who can give you the potential baby can.

Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2011, 09:34:37 PM »

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if we had enough resources, then sure let him walk....but we dont have much, and need to fill a hole at Center as well. I cant think of anyone we get who can give you the potential baby can.

If Celtics can trade Big Baby for a serviceable true Center, I'll be happy

Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2011, 09:38:08 PM »

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Hahaha
This guy knows he won't get a big contract cause of his putrid performance this year. No team is gonna pay him the big bucks after what he did

So he wants to stay one more year so he can play lights out for a bigger contract next year

Such selfish thinking by Davis  ::)
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Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2011, 10:40:51 PM »

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Over the last few years I have developed a love-hate with Baby, due mostly to his inconsistency. That said, he is the "evil we know" so to speak. If this kid JJ outplays him in camp then Danny is more than welcome to sell "high" as the saying goes. BBD is easily replaceable IMO. We just need to exercise a little patience and let Danny do his 'thang'.
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Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2011, 11:21:23 PM »

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With JJ Johnson we need a big who can keep people out of the paint. Johnson is strong; but reminds me more of Kevin Durant than KG.

Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2011, 01:16:41 AM »

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Pretty easy to scapegoat the guy when he gets even fatter during the playoffs.

Maybe he mistook "playoff run" for "playoff binge"?
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Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2011, 09:31:37 AM »

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Really....people would prefer troy murphy over bbd?!?!

i realize the guy didn't have a great season and some of his "antics" rub people the wrong way.....but i think he brings some positive things for the team. 

nba is a business. if he is willing to take a 1 year deal and will bust his butt in order to land a contract, whynot use him for the year? it may benefit both the player and the team.

he has a skill set and i love the fact he is among the elite in the league at taking charges. the second unit sucked this year and i think he was almost trying too hard to compensate for the lack of production from the unit, rather than just playing his game.  one thing he needs to do tho is get his big butt on the block and stop taking so many jumpers. im not a fan of the guy but i wouldn't be so quick to send him out the door just yet.

with regards to his comments in the OP, i found it interesting he listed ray and paul, but not kg.

Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2011, 09:37:25 AM »

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Really....people would prefer troy murphy over bbd?!?!

i realize the guy didn't have a great season and some of his "antics" rub people the wrong way.....but i think he brings some positive things for the team. 

nba is a business. if he is willing to take a 1 year deal and will bust his butt in order to land a contract, whynot use him for the year? it may benefit both the player and the team.

he has a skill set and i love the fact he is among the elite in the league at taking charges. the second unit sucked this year and i think he was almost trying too hard to compensate for the lack of production from the unit, rather than just playing his game.  one thing he needs to do tho is get his big butt on the block and stop taking so many jumpers. im not a fan of the guy but i wouldn't be so quick to send him out the door just yet.

with regards to his comments in the OP, i found it interesting he listed ray and paul, but not kg.

I'd take him for a year, but absolutely not for a longer-term contract.

Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2011, 09:50:41 AM »

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Really....people would prefer troy murphy over bbd?!?!

I don't think it's at all surprising that some people prefer the guy who, even in his diminished capacity last season, was the better rebounder.

I think it is best to evaluate whether or not to bring Glen Davis back under the assumption that he will shoot at least as many jumpers as he did last season and that Doc won't limit him to 15-18 mpg but will probably put him out there for at least 25 mpg if he is brought back, unless JaJuan Johnson wins Doc's favor.
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Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2011, 09:51:28 AM »

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I'd let Davis walk if he wanted a bigger role than he had mainly because he was gassed by the playoffs and that just proves that he can't be a true sixth man and will be a 7th-8th man for his career. With the lockout on who knows if Davis will stay in "shape" or what kind of condition he'll be in when it's over.

Try to get him back for like 1-2 million and let him know that his role is a 7th-8th man at best at about 10 minutes a night and when his ego says no way you let him go and move on.
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Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2011, 09:19:43 PM »

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Really....people would prefer troy murphy over bbd?!?!

C'mon! Yes people prefer Troy Murphy over Fat Baby. Is that shocking? Murphy was a double double machine for most of his career. When he arrived to Boston, Murphy was out of basketball shape. And its not because he ate himself out of shape a la Fat Baby; Troy Hardly played in New Jersey. Coach Avery Johnson went with his young guys. Its difficult to stay in Basketball Shape without playing any actual NBA games remember Stephon Marbury.

Celtics have Jeff Green, JJ, and Troy Murphy to play the 4 spot. There is no actual need to Fat Baby. C's would be better off using that Cash on a Center. Depending on the new CPA, perhaps the Celtics can S&T Fat Baby for a basketball player.

Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2011, 11:03:16 PM »

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Really....people would prefer troy murphy over bbd?!?!

C'mon! Yes people prefer Troy Murphy over Fat Baby. Is that shocking? Murphy was a double double machine for most of his career. When he arrived to Boston, Murphy was out of basketball shape. And its not because he ate himself out of shape a la Fat Baby; Troy Hardly played in New Jersey. Coach Avery Johnson went with his young guys. Its difficult to stay in Basketball Shape without playing any actual NBA games remember Stephon Marbury.

so u want murphy bc of what he has done over his career, even though he is washed up?!  u clearly dont like bbd, which i get....but i take bbd over murphy for the 2011-2012 season everyday and twice on sunday.

say what u want about bbd's physique, but he is extremely durable, rotates unbelievably defensively away from the ball (most to take charges), and he is deceptively quick on the block. he also has a decent enough outside shot (i prefer him on the block, then taking the occasional jumper to keep the defense honest).

like i said previously, im not a bbd fan, however i can look at things objectively.  sure he has flaws in his game, but he has positive attributes that can help the team.  i think signing him to a one year deal, where he will be motivated to get his next payday will be beneficial to him and more importantly, the team.  use the guy, no matter his motivation.

what can murphy do at this stage of his career....grab a rebound or two, get beat defensively, get hurt, and keep the bench warm.  easy pass.

bbd > murph, imo
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Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2011, 11:11:09 PM »

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edit....double post. my bad

Re: Davis Angling For Return To Celtics?
« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2011, 11:13:24 PM »

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Really....people would prefer troy murphy over bbd?!?!

C'mon! Yes people prefer Troy Murphy over Fat Baby. Is that shocking? Murphy was a double double machine for most of his career. When he arrived to Boston, Murphy was out of basketball shape. And its not because he ate himself out of shape a la Fat Baby; Troy Hardly played in New Jersey. Coach Avery Johnson went with his young guys. Its difficult to stay in Basketball Shape without playing any actual NBA games remember Stephon Marbury.

so u want murphy bc of what he has done over his career, even though he is washed up?!  u clearly dont like bbd, which i get....but i take bbd over murphy for the 2011-2012 season everyday and twice on sunday.

say what u want about bbd's physique, but he is extremely durable, rotates unbelievably defensively away from the ball (most to take charges), and he is deceptively quick on the block. he also has a decent enough outside shot (i prefer him on the block, then taking the occasional jumper to keep the defense honest).

what can murphy do at this stage of his career....grab a rebound or two, get beat defensively, get hurt, and keep the bench warm.  easy pass.

bbd > murph, imo

But what if it comes down to cost.

Would you give him a three-year MLE deal when Murphy may be had for the vet min or LLE?

And BBD is awful in the post. I've never seen a player get stuffed so much. He's short and slow. His bread-and-butter is the open 15-footer, but he thinks he can live beyond 18, which he definitely cannot.

Although he can make that midrange shot, unless he is actually taking and making it, he is hurting the offense. He isn't taking his man out of the paint for spacing, and he isn't in great position for rebounds. He isn't an exceptional pick-setter, so his pick-and-pop game is mediocre.

His value is overrated IMO. Our system made him look better than he is. Obviously nobody valued him all that much the last time he was a FA, and I doubt that changes much this time around.

I'd take him on the cheap for 1-2 years (basically same deal as last time), otherwise good luck elsewhere Glen.

Honestly, if he thinks he's going to get the full MLE and a starting spot somewhere, he must be hanging out with Josh Howard and Ricky Williams Charlie Sheen.
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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2011, 11:15:23 PM »

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Really....people would prefer troy murphy over bbd?!?!

C'mon! Yes people prefer Troy Murphy over Fat Baby. Is that shocking? Murphy was a double double machine for most of his career. When he arrived to Boston, Murphy was out of basketball shape. And its not because he ate himself out of shape a la Fat Baby; Troy Hardly played in New Jersey. Coach Avery Johnson went with his young guys. Its difficult to stay in Basketball Shape without playing any actual NBA games remember Stephon Marbury.

so u want murphy bc of what he has done over his career, even though he is washed up?!  u clearly dont like bbd, which i get....but i take bbd over murphy for the 2011-2012 season everyday and twice on sunday.

say what u want about bbd's physique, but he is extremely durable, rotates unbelievably defensively away from the ball (most to take charges), and he is deceptively quick on the block. he also has a decent enough outside shot (i prefer him on the block, then taking the occasional jumper to keep the defense honest).

what can murphy do at this stage of his career....grab a rebound or two, get beat defensively, get hurt, and keep the bench warm.  easy pass.

bbd > murph, imo

But what if it comes down to cost.

Would you give him a three-year MLE deal when Murphy may be had for the vet min or LLE?

And BBD is awful in the post. I've never seen a player get stuffed so much. He's short and slow. His bread-and-butter is the open 15-footer, but he thinks he can live beyond 18, which he definitely cannot.

Although he can make that midrange shot, unless he is actually taking and making it, he is hurting the offense. He isn't taking his man out of the paint for spacing, and he isn't in great position for rebounds. He isn't an exceptional pick-setter, so his pick-and-pop game is mediocre.

His value is overrated IMO. Our system made him look better than he is. Obviously nobody valued him all that much the last time he was a FA, and I doubt that changes much this time around.

I'd take him on the cheap for 1-2 years (basically same deal as last time), otherwise good luck elsewhere Glen.

Honestly, if he thinks he's going to get the full MLE and a starting spot somewhere, he must be hanging out with Josh Howard and Ricky Williams Charlie Sheen.

id want him for one year, maybe even two.  i wouldn't give him a 3 year deal. 

with regards to murph....let him walk, regardless of what we do with or without bbd.