enough with the trade threads....rondos our best player

[energyking1]

"Good" is just not good enough to win in the NBA.

The one thing we really need to contend, this year, in ten years, or in any given year, is a true top player, one of the league´s elite. That´s neither Rondo, nor anyone we could realistically get through free agency to pair him up with. It will be even harder if we´re not willing to trade one or all of the big three soon.

  It's worth pointing out that we haven't had anything close to a "true top player" the last few years yet we've been top contenders during that time.

I disagree. KG certainly qualifies as NBA elite during that time, in my opinion.

  An nba elite that didn't come particularly close to even making 3rd team all nba or garner as much as a single 5th place MVP vote in the last two years. How many other of your true top players can say that?

 

he didnt say last 2 years.

defensive player of the year

[StartOrien]

Can I make a "Enough with the 'Enough with the Rondo trade threads" thread?

[Casperian]

"Good" is just not good enough to win in the NBA.

The one thing we really need to contend, this year, in ten years, or in any given year, is a true top player, one of the league´s elite. That´s neither Rondo, nor anyone we could realistically get through free agency to pair him up with. It will be even harder if we´re not willing to trade one or all of the big three soon.

  It's worth pointing out that we haven't had anything close to a "true top player" the last few years yet we've been top contenders during that time.

I disagree. KG certainly qualifies as NBA elite during that time, in my opinion.

  An nba elite that didn't come particularly close to even making 3rd team all nba or garner as much as a single 5th place MVP vote in the last two years. How many other of your true top players can say that?  

C´mon, Tim, now you´re grasping at straws.
You know how good and important KG was to us. To bring MVP votings in the discussion when we all know what it means when we talk about the "sacrifices" the big three made (in other words: less stellar stats) is pointless, in my opinion.

  It's pretty ridiculous to claim that I'm grasping at straws. Don't you notice any difference between the player KG was in 07-08 and the player he is now? Did you watch the playoffs and think that KG was having the same impact on the game as LeBron when we played the Heat? He's a valuable player, no doubt. But claiming that he's a "true top player" is fairly silly. He can dominate in stretches, but we all saw the toll it takes on him when he does.

Thanks for proving my point. We won in 07-08, when KG was a definitive top player, who even won DPOY. You are the one who questions his elite status based on MVP votings.

You need top players to contend was all I said.

[BballTim]

"Good" is just not good enough to win in the NBA.

The one thing we really need to contend, this year, in ten years, or in any given year, is a true top player, one of the league´s elite. That´s neither Rondo, nor anyone we could realistically get through free agency to pair him up with. It will be even harder if we´re not willing to trade one or all of the big three soon.

  It's worth pointing out that we haven't had anything close to a "true top player" the last few years yet we've been top contenders during that time.

That's only because we have 4 very good players.  That will not be the case after the Big 3 are gone.  We'll have 1 or 2.

We won't be contending with Rondo as our best player unless we have at least 2 or 3 other players of his caliber. 

Even so, it's much more a sure thing to have one superstar and a supporting cast of good players rather than a group of very good players.  If trading Rondo could give as a chance at a real superstar, we have to take it.

  First of all I don't think that the plan is to replace the big three with nothing, so we'll hopefully have more than 1 good player. And it's much more of a sure thing to have a superstar, but it's significantly less likely that you can get one.

[BballTim]

"Good" is just not good enough to win in the NBA.

The one thing we really need to contend, this year, in ten years, or in any given year, is a true top player, one of the league´s elite. That´s neither Rondo, nor anyone we could realistically get through free agency to pair him up with. It will be even harder if we´re not willing to trade one or all of the big three soon.

  It's worth pointing out that we haven't had anything close to a "true top player" the last few years yet we've been top contenders during that time.

I disagree. KG certainly qualifies as NBA elite during that time, in my opinion.

  An nba elite that didn't come particularly close to even making 3rd team all nba or garner as much as a single 5th place MVP vote in the last two years. How many other of your true top players can say that?  

C´mon, Tim, now you´re grasping at straws.
You know how good and important KG was to us. To bring MVP votings in the discussion when we all know what it means when we talk about the "sacrifices" the big three made (in other words: less stellar stats) is pointless, in my opinion.

  It's pretty ridiculous to claim that I'm grasping at straws. Don't you notice any difference between the player KG was in 07-08 and the player he is now? Did you watch the playoffs and think that KG was having the same impact on the game as LeBron when we played the Heat? He's a valuable player, no doubt. But claiming that he's a "true top player" is fairly silly. He can dominate in stretches, but we all saw the toll it takes on him when he does.

Thanks for proving my point. We won in 07-08, when KG was a definitive top player, who even won DPOY. You are the one who questions his elite status based on MVP votings.

You need top players to contend was all I said.

  So you're claiming we haven't contended since 07-08?

[BballTim]

"Good" is just not good enough to win in the NBA.

The one thing we really need to contend, this year, in ten years, or in any given year, is a true top player, one of the league´s elite. That´s neither Rondo, nor anyone we could realistically get through free agency to pair him up with. It will be even harder if we´re not willing to trade one or all of the big three soon.

  It's worth pointing out that we haven't had anything close to a "true top player" the last few years yet we've been top contenders during that time.

I disagree. KG certainly qualifies as NBA elite during that time, in my opinion.

  An nba elite that didn't come particularly close to even making 3rd team all nba or garner as much as a single 5th place MVP vote in the last two years. How many other of your true top players can say that?

 

he didnt say last 2 years.

defensive player of the year

  He said *any* year, that you need a true top player to contend. Clearly that's not the case.

[17wasEZ]

Its funny to hear posters harp on players like lebton for lack of loyalty and then cry to trade rondo after winning a playoff series for uslast year and showing incredible heart this year....and he is only 25 his shots improving and he's not even in his prime yeg.

Fact...celts dont reach the finals in 10 and pierce/ray don't have career years in 11 without rondo.

With rondo signed for cheap and avery longterm as his backup. What's the point of blowing up our most solid position? For a guy who's more expensive and rondo will likely be as good as or better in a year or 2?

You've got to start rebuilding somewherre. You can't just start from 0 and who better to commit to than a guy much better than his contract?

We have just as good a chance of landing big fas with rondo that we do with anyone else. I'm sure everyone noticed those stoctonlike numbers he put on in the beginning of the year and being #2 in assists at only 25

You're only saying that about Rondo because Paul Bunyan Perkins was traded.  Folklore has it that he would have been a 20-10 guy for the Celtics in the playoffs as they swept their way through the NBA Finals where Perk would have held Dirk to playoff lows in points and rebounds.

[CoachBo]

Its funny to hear posters harp on players like lebton for lack of loyalty and then cry to trade rondo after winning a playoff series for uslast year and showing incredible heart this year....and he is only 25 his shots improving and he's not even in his prime yeg.

Fact...celts dont reach the finals in 10 and pierce/ray don't have career years in 11 without rondo.

With rondo signed for cheap and avery longterm as his backup. What's the point of blowing up our most solid position? For a guy who's more expensive and rondo will likely be as good as or better in a year or 2?

You've got to start rebuilding somewherre. You can't just start from 0 and who better to commit to than a guy much better than his contract?

We have just as good a chance of landing big fas with rondo that we do with anyone else. I'm sure everyone noticed those stoctonlike numbers he put on in the beginning of the year and being #2 in assists at only 25

You're only saying that about Rondo because Paul Bunyan Perkins was traded.  Folklore has it that he would have been a 20-10 guy for the Celtics in the playoffs as they swept their way through the NBA Finals where Perk would have held Dirk to playoff lows in points and rebounds.

TP. The loyalty to Danny's kids is pathological here.

Personally, no player who can't consistently stick a 15 footer is ever going to get the "best player" label on my teams, especially when he's Shaq-like at the foul line and inconsistent at best defensively.

If you can get CP3, bye Rondo. Nary a second thought in my mind.

Loyalty's not a one-way street. I expect someone making eight digits to develop a jump shot. Not going to wait forever, either. You get paid well, you owe your employer improvement.

Rondo is a good point guard who can't shoot. He's not at CP3s level and after years of waiting on him to become a non-liability 15 feet from the basket, I am pessimistic anything will change - including his blog legend. I'm just skeptical anyone would do that deal in New Orleans.

[FrDrake]

I'll say it again...everyone loves to glaze over the fact that Chris Paul has bad knees and no cartilage in his knees.  You all realize that when bball players develop bad wheels early in their career and have MAJOR knee surgeries that this is a bad thing, right?  The injuries that Paul has experienced shortens careers and lowers trade value.

I don't want the Cs to end up in a situation like the Blazers are in with Brandon Roy where they are paying him max money to come off the bench because of injuries.  I'd much rather have Rondo for the next 7-9 years at a lower price than 2-4 years of Paul at MAX money with bad knees. 

[LooseCannon]

Personally, no player who can't consistently stick a 15 footer is ever going to get the "best player" label on my teams, especially when he's Shaq-like at the foul line and inconsistent at best defensively.

I'd like to give you a team with Shaq in his prime.

[CoachBo]

My mistake. Should have said "no guard."

Shaq in his prime is a fair point. But no one asked him to consistently hit a jumper to keep the defense from playing 5-on-4 all night.

Rondo's not the best player on this team. Not shooting the ball like he does.

[cman88]

My mistake. Should have said "no guard."

Shaq in his prime is a fair point. But no one asked him to consistently hit a jumper to keep the defense from playing 5-on-4 all night.

Rondo's not the best player on this team. Not shooting the ball like he does.

Rondo's jumpshot improved from 33% in 09-10 to 41% this season...thats above average for point guards and shows an improvement...why are we ignoring that? its not like he's been stagnant in his development of a jumper

he was left open...but hes beginning to get comfortable with that shot..and I guarantee eventually hell be able to knock down that elbow jumper consistently..and teams will start to contest it..

we talk about Rondo like he's some 33year old player nearing the end of his career. hes 25 and has improved each and every year. I see no reason to believe why his jumper wont get more consistent when it already has started to..

[BballTim]

My mistake. Should have said "no guard."

Shaq in his prime is a fair point. But no one asked him to consistently hit a jumper to keep the defense from playing 5-on-4 all night.

Rondo's not the best player on this team. Not shooting the ball like he does.

  Who's the best player is based on their total impact on the game, not on any one skill. Whether the defense is playing 5-on-4 or 10-on-4, Rondo still gets his teammates plenty of good shots. That's why PP and RA had their most and IIRC second most efficient scoring seasons of their careers playing with Rondo this year, and KG had one of his best as well.

[GreenEnvy]

"Good" is just not good enough to win in the NBA.

The one thing we really need to contend, this year, in ten years, or in any given year, is a true top player, one of the league´s elite. That´s neither Rondo, nor anyone we could realistically get through free agency to pair him up with. It will be even harder if we´re not willing to trade one or all of the big three soon.

  It's worth pointing out that we haven't had anything close to a "true top player" the last few years yet we've been top contenders during that time.

I disagree. KG certainly qualifies as NBA elite during that time, in my opinion.

  An nba elite that didn't come particularly close to even making 3rd team all nba or garner as much as a single 5th place MVP vote in the last two years. How many other of your true top players can say that?

 

I don't know if you are looking at his per game stats or if you actually watched C's games this year, but you're dead wrong.

KG was definitely one of the most impactful players in the league whenever he is on the court last season.

His 'simple rating' was 4th behind D12, LeBron and Wade.

His 'Net +/-' was 4th behind Nash, Pierce, and Dirk.

Just because he doesn't put up gaudy stats anymore doesn't mean he isn't a great player. His net production (own vs opp) was 11th in the league last year, beyond such guys like LeBron, Wade, Howard, Melo, Kobe, Love, Durant, and Rose.

KG had an excellent year, worthy of his All-Star appearance and maybe even serious DPotY consideration (he finished second, but it wasn't as close as it should have been).

[BASS_THUMPER]

trade rondo..

i want us to win anutha ring before the "rebuild"

rondo cant give us that