enough with the trade threads....rondos our best player

[cman88]

Its funny to hear posters harp on players like lebton for lack of loyalty and then cry to trade rondo after winning a playoff series for uslast year and showing incredible heart this year....and he is only 25 his shots improving and he's not even in his prime yeg.

Fact...celts dont reach the finals in 10 and pierce/ray don't have career years in 11 without rondo.

With rondo signed for cheap and avery longterm as his backup. What's the point of blowing up our most solid position? For a guy who's more expensive and rondo will likely be as good as or better in a year or 2?

You've got to start rebuilding somewherre. You can't just start from 0 and who better to commit to than a guy much better than his contract?

We have just as good a chance of landing big fas with rondo that we do with anyone else. I'm sure everyone noticed those stoctonlike numbers he put on in the beginning of the year and being #2 in assists at only 25

[CelticG1]

Disagree completely. I think we should continue to explore trade options for Rondo. He is our greatest asset and if we can get something better in return we need to take it. The only dissapointing thing is that Rondo regressed from the year before so his trade value won't be as high. Also his jump shot is not getting better and his FT shooting is getting worse. Even if he is helping the Big 3 have career (efficiency) numbers that might not be enough. At some point we will need other players on te roster to take over the load and not sure if Rondo is capable of doing that for entire seasons and playoffs.

He's not the MVP of the league. He is a top 6 point guard or so and I really don't see how we don't explore other possibilities

[wdleehi]

"Rondo is out best player"



That reads to me "see what he is worth to see if we can get a better best player"



Unless you have a happy Lebron, Howard, Durrant, Paul, Wade:  you see what your players are worth.

[KungPoweChicken]

Rondo isn't good enough to build a team around. Trading him needs to be explored for the future of the team. If he showed improvements in his offensive game over the years, he could be someone to build around. But he simply hasn't improved enough. As of now, he is a nice complimentary piece when you have three all stars. 

[PortCelt]

Can't say he's our best player when teams consistently allow him uncontested jump shots in the playoffs. His reluctance to shoot, or not draw contact, usually results in poor spacing, which leads to bad shots. If he can turn into a more fluid creator of points there would be no need to mention him in trades.

[Roy H.]

Rondo is a very good player, but he's also our most valuable player.  I think it's fair to consider him in trades *IF* those trades can upgrade the team.  Very few trades of Rondo would, but there are a handful I'd consider.

[jc3celticsphan]

Its funny to hear posters harp on players like lebton for lack of loyalty and then cry to trade rondo after winning a playoff series for uslast year and showing incredible heart this year....and he is only 25 his shots improving and he's not even in his prime yeg.

Fact...celts dont reach the finals in 10 and pierce/ray don't have career years in 11 without rondo.

With rondo signed for cheap and avery longterm as his backup. What's the point of blowing up our most solid position? For a guy who's more expensive and rondo will likely be as good as or better in a year or 2?

You've got to start rebuilding somewherre. You can't just start from 0 and who better to commit to than a guy much better than his contract?

We have just as good a chance of landing big fas with rondo that we do with anyone else. I'm sure everyone noticed those stoctonlike numbers he put on in the beginning of the year and being #2 in assists at only 25

SO TRUE, you dont see people complaining when he puts up crazy numbers nor do you rarley see some congradulate him. hes really unappreciated if he can stay healthy and put up those stockton numbers, improves his freethrow shooting, lead us to the best record in the east, and win MVP he would still be looked down upon. sad to say alot of celtics fans really hate rondo and want him traded because he cant shoot and as tommy would say "SO WHAT !!"

My take on rondo and people not liking him is, i think people are actually jelous of him. They look at the big 3 as a reason. they see their other favorite pg's playing really good they all can score. what alot of people want is their best player(on their team) to score hit those big shots, be the hero type of player. since rondo cant shoot you see pierce and ray taking the big shots who are no longer in their prime. Rondos shooting ability is not the maine flaw with this team. our maine flaw is dominating the paint. when shaq was here we dominated the paint with defense, inside scoring, and rebounding. with eddie house, posey, tony allen we had perimeter shooting and lockdown defense.

rondo is the last person to blame for our early exit, and hes the last person you trade on this team. plus ainge has already begun the rebuilding process around rondo.

[Jeff]

enough with the "enough with" threads

[KCattheStripe]

enough with the "enough with" threads

Jeff says , " Enough is enough."

[Eddie20]

Rondo is a very good player, but he's also our most valuable player.  I think it's fair to consider him in trades *IF* those trades can upgrade the team.  Very few trades of Rondo would, but there are a handful I'd consider.

Not to mention that although still very young he has already had feet and back issues. That is something you never want to see, especially with a player that relies so heavy on his athleticism. His style of play also isn't a style that transcends into a long career.

[Prof. Clutch]

First of all, Rondo is also our most valuable tradable asset (a legit star with a team friendly contract) which is why you see him in so many trade scenarios.   Second of all, good luck getting people to stop posting trade ideas! 

Just so it can be said, I don't want Rondo to be traded.

[LooseCannon]

Rondo is a very good player, but he's also our most valuable player.  I think it's fair to consider him in trades *IF* those trades can upgrade the team.  Very few trades of Rondo would, but there are a handful I'd consider.

One difficulty in trading Rondo for an upgrade is that he is not an overpaid player and Ainge doesn't have the sort of contracts on the roster that you would combine with Rondo's to acquire a more talented player who would also have a bigger contract, since I can't imagine a team wanting to trade a player who is both better and cheaper than Rondo.  You could include Jermaine O'Neal, but then you would almost have to be getting an All-Star caliber center back.  So, you would probably have to include KG or Ray Allen instead of some Jeff Green or Glen Davis sign-and-trade scheme.

That basically means that a realistic Rondo trade where you get immediate value back to help win now has to wait until whenever teams are allowed to trade free agents in their first year with the team.

The other scenario in which trading Rondo upgrades the team is if you are trading current value for what you believe will be greater future value, the "blow up the team" plan.

[Chris]

I think you are looking at it the wrong way.  Rondo being our best player is somewhat irrelevant, and if anything, maybe be the reason to trade him.  He is your best player, so that means he will bring back the most value.

The question is, is he more valuable than the guys he is traded for.  That is what determines the good trade and bad trade proposals. 

[greenpride32]

Fact...celts dont reach the finals in 10 and pierce/ray don't have career years in 11 without rondo.

My whole problem with this argument is Pierce and Ray aren't exactly chop liver.  They had no problem scoring in their careers before Rondo was even in the league.  I give a lot more credit to their own talents than I do to Rondo "assisting" them.  Let's face it, if we didn't have 3 guys who scored over 20K points on this team (4 if you count Shaq last year) Rondo's effectiveness would be much more limited.

At this stage Rondo is a core piece, but not a go to guy.  You can't build around him, but he can be a solid piece on a winning team.  If a team is willing to give us a go to guy for Rondo you have to consider it.

[Spilling Green Dye]

1)  This is a blog.  People discuss trade options (it's an entire forum section by itself), so I suggest you get over it.  It's an aspect here, and an entertaining one especially in the offseason.

2)  If Rondo is our best player (which I don't think he is atm), he is not the best player in the league.  Therefore, if you can trade him for someone better (like Chris Paul) then it should be discussed.

3)  Loyalty:  people's main issue with Lebron was not that he went to work somewhere else, but how he did it.  Danny's loyalty is the Celtics organization and putting the best TEAM on the floor.  Fans often times want the same thing. 

4)  Rondo has the most trade value, by far, on our roster.  If the Celtics look to improve their roster via trading then most discussions will invariably include Rondo.

5)  Trading Rondo does not mean that the Celtics will automatically be worse (or better) off.  Its this concept that keeps things intriguing, especially during an otherwise boring and long offseason.