Convince Me That Another Team Wants Glen Davis

[LooseCannon]

It wasn't that long ago that many posters here + analysts in the media thought Glen Davis was a Sixth Man of the Year of the candidate.

I chalk that up to people being idiots.  It's the same sort of thinking that overvalues inefficient volume scorers like Rudy Gay.  BBD racked up a lot of minutes, inflating his per game stats a bit.  I'm not sure I would prefer Davis to Taj Gibson or Ryan Anderson, to name two bench power forwards who didn't get any Sixth Man of the Year votes.

[Texstyles]

 Glen Davis' mouth, the fact that he was terrible in the post season and for much of the 2nd half of the regular season and the new CBA will cost him millions of dollars.

 I believe his options will be few if any of the kind for money/role he is looking for. I don't know that anyone is going to give the C's anything of value for him.  I kind of hope that doesn't mean he is back in Boston because we have other bench guys who are fully capable of scoring but when/if he is in the game they don't see the basketball because he is a black hole.

True Dat.

One team that might possible want him is the Maine Red Claws.  I don't know that he'll get the minutes he wants though.

NO...  They have Tiny Gallon already....****

[Eja117]

Wherever there are stupid GMs. Wherever an owner exists who doesn't pay attention to basketball. Wherever they are in need of a coach or have made a terrible hire. Wherever there is a team that pays a lot of attention to what an agent says.  Wherever Isaiah Thomas is. Wherever a team has a horrible grasp on the salary cap.  That is where Glen Davis will be.

[LooseCannon]

One team that might possible want him is the Maine Red Claws.  I don't know that he'll get the minutes he wants though.

NO...  They have Tiny Gallon already....****

Well, they traded Gallon away mid-season.  What I've read suggests he may have continued to have an attitude problem.

[indeedproceed]

4 things I know about glen davis:

1) He's never been accused of not caring, or resting on his laurels. he's passionate, and while under contract he's a fighter.

2) He's a tough player with a useful skilled that isn't scared of big moments.

3) He's got an inflated sense of self importance and a deluded ideal of his own skillset.

4) He can be wildly inconsistent.

For reasons 1 and 2 he'll command a small pay hike with his next season, and other teams will want him. For reasons 3 and 4 the Celtics and other well run teams won't over pay him.

[paulcowens]

It's amazing to see how far Glen Davis has fallen in the past 6 months.

It wasn't that long ago that many posters here + analysts in the media thought Glen Davis was a Sixth Man of the Year of the candidate.

Now people need to be convinced that he'll be offered more than a minimum contract in free agency? Shocking fall from grace for Glen Davis. 

Thankyou for being one of the very few people who is even slightly rational about Glen Davis.  Again I say to many or most of you:   YOU ARE SCAPEGOATING THIS KID.  

And what makes it worse is that virtually none of you are willing to lay any blame at the feet of the man, Danny, who is clearly most RESPONSIBLE for what happened last year.  It's natural to be frustrated about last year, but how does Baby and not Danny become the guy whose pelt so many of you want to nail to a wall?   It's wrong, what you are doing.  You all know that blame should be proportional to actual responsibility.   Baby is well below a lot of other people on the responsibility scale.  We all know this.

Don't get me wrong.  I don't love Baby.  I most of all hate his lack of rebounding.  He has bulk and agility and size (if not length), and his game is based on energy, yet he can't rebound a lick?   It's maddening.  

Basically, Davis' strength is that he is versatile.  He doesn't do anything really well, but he does a lot of things somewhat well, when he's focused and motivated.  If the guy ever became really good at something other than drawing charges (not a meaningless skill, btw), he'd start to be a possible starter.   But his main problem is with focus and motivation.   Again, we all know this.  And I think we ought to be glad that he's apparently trying to do something about this, in working with a sports therapist.   We ought to honor this.  We WANT players to identify their weakness and work on them, right?

Now think about what happened at the end of last season.  As the Celtics approached the All Star break, a lot of the guys - including Davis - were flagging some;  even so, Davis was well established and pretty effective as our sixth man.  Now, knowing that Davis doesn't react well to being confused about his role, how do you think he reacted when he saw Danny make a huge trade after the All Star break, the main point of which was apparently to bring on board an new sixth man, Jeff Green, and - what is more - a new sixth man whose main claim to fame is scoring?   Come on, people.  You all KNOW how Davis reacted.  He became confused about his role, and it's pretty clear, isn't it, that the coaching staff did nothing to alleviate this with him?

And see, that's what bothers me more than Davis' shortcomings.  We may not have had the best talent last year on the bench, and we did have a lot of injuries, but there is still really no excuse for how terrible our bench was.  The coaches are supposed to teach and motivate.  CLEARLY THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS SUCCESSFULLY.   So where is their accountability?

I don't love Davis, as I said, but I do recognize that he remains one of our best bench talents, one of the few guys who has actually produced for this team from the bench, and right now, one of our few proven bigs.  The enthusiasm for getting rid of him is more than a little crazy, not to mention  self-contradictory.  So many of you seem to be saying out of one side of your mouths that Davis is hopeless and terrible and that getting rid of him is a no-brainer, while suggesting out  of the other side of your mouths that we can get something really good for him in a trade.  You have to know that both sides of that can't be true.  Either Davis sucks and we probably can't get much for him, or he doesn't suck, and  maybe we can get something good for him.  He can't suck and not suck at the same time.

Whatever.  It's time to cut out this relentless scapegoating.  It's just wrong, and I think most of you would know it if you would try to cut through the cloud of your frustration over what happened last season.  If anything, let's think about coaching.  We obviously need some changes in the coaching our bigs get, and the coaching our bench gets.  Something HAS to change there.

[Roy H.]

The argument:  Glen Davis finished 4th in the Sixth Man of the Year voting.  He slumped late in the year and into the playoffs, which in part was due to playing through pain; he battled tendinitis in his knee for most of the latter part of the season, but didn't take a rest until absolutely necessary due to team needs.

His 11.7 points and 5.4 rebounds per game are very respectable minutes, as are his 14.3 points and 6.7 rebounds per 36 minutes.  In fact, only 50 players in the NBA averaged at least 14.3 points and 6.7 rebounds per 36 minutes, and 44.8% FG%. 

In addition, he's got championship experience, and has had big moments in playoff games.  He hustles on the court, and is versatile enough to play both inside and outside.  A guy like that is definitely a top-10 player in most team's rotation's, and is worth more than a minimum contract.

[LooseCannon]

People may disagree with this statement, but I believe that Jeff Green played better than Glen Davis last season.  If putting Green and Davis on the floor at the same time is bad due to their collective poor rebounding, then I believe Davis is the guy who should sit.  If Doc won't sit him, then he needs to be removed from the roster somehow.

[timepiece33]

The argument:  Glen Davis finished 4th in the Sixth Man of the Year voting.  He slumped late in the year and into the playoffs, which in part was due to playing through pain; he battled tendinitis in his knee for most of the latter part of the season, but didn't take a rest until absolutely necessary due to team needs.

His 11.7 points and 5.4 rebounds per game are very respectable minutes, as are his 14.3 points and 6.7 rebounds per 36 minutes.  In fact, only 50 players in the NBA averaged at least 14.3 points and 6.7 rebounds per 36 minutes, and 44.8% FG%. 

In addition, he's got championship experience, and has had big moments in playoff games.  He hustles on the court, and is versatile enough to play both inside and outside.  A guy like that is definitely a top-10 player in most team's rotation's, and is worth more than a minimum contract.

Agree.

Almost all the arguments given are about him starting.  The reality is that there is this concept in the NBA called a bench and Glen Davis has proven to be a solid player off the bench.

He's worth more than the minimum and will likely get a decent contract from somebody.   

[soap07]

The argument:  Glen Davis finished 4th in the Sixth Man of the Year voting.  He slumped late in the year and into the playoffs, which in part was due to playing through pain; he battled tendinitis in his knee for most of the latter part of the season, but didn't take a rest until absolutely necessary due to team needs.

His 11.7 points and 5.4 rebounds per game are very respectable minutes, as are his 14.3 points and 6.7 rebounds per 36 minutes.  In fact, only 50 players in the NBA averaged at least 14.3 points and 6.7 rebounds per 36 minutes, and 44.8% FG%. 

In addition, he's got championship experience, and has had big moments in playoff games.  He hustles on the court, and is versatile enough to play both inside and outside.  A guy like that is definitely a top-10 player in most team's rotation's, and is worth more than a minimum contract.

Agree.

Almost all the arguments given are about him starting.  The reality is that there is this concept in the NBA called a bench and Glen Davis has proven to be a solid player off the bench.

He's worth more than the minimum and will likely get a decent contract from somebody.   

I think we all agree that Baby is, for NBA market value, worth more than the minimum. The problem is - what team needs another undersized big off the bench and is willing to pay more than the minimum? The timing isn't great here for Baby - he is certainly worth more than the minimum but I don't know if the job openings are there for him to make more than that.

[indeedproceed]

what team couldn't use glen davis as a 6th 7th or 8th man?

la, dallas, denver, miami, minny, all stick out as teams that don't need him. id have to look at some depth charts beyond that, but lots of teams could use glen davis. the real question is who is willing to pay him over allocating that money somewhere else.

[BballTim]

You don't even need to mention sign-and-trade scenarios.  Just give me an argument that another team would want to target Big Baby as a free agent worth more than the minimum salary for more than one year.

  People here have no idea what they value is of most players around the league, myself included. They see the Celts players all the time and notice every flaw and failure but assume that other players on other teams don't have equally flawed games. Likewise, people see players spinning their wheels on bad teams and can't really project how they would do with better teammates. There's probably a long list of players that aren't as good (or at least aren't much better) than Baby that get significantly more that the min for one year. That should convince you.

[StartOrien]

A career as a rotation player on a perennial contender isn't enough?

[Edgar]

It's amazing to see how far Glen Davis has fallen in the past 6 months.

It wasn't that long ago that many posters here + analysts in the media thought Glen Davis was a Sixth Man of the Year of the candidate.

Now people need to be convinced that he'll be offered more than a minimum contract in free agency? Shocking fall from grace for Glen Davis. 

Is his own fault an I remember I talk something about this with you or with some 5 month ago
He stop passing, become a black hole, stop playing , start playing only his ba enough jumper, start talking, its noboies but his own fault.

In some universe I still think he can play an be good glen back but i ten to realize maybe not.

More time BBD is bad BBD

[Tai]

Yea no offense to the OP, but this is just another BBD flame topic. It doesn't matter that you hate BBD, or that you don't even want him re-signed, but not worth more than the minimum contract? To call this topic unfair would be an enormous understatement.