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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #525 on: June 23, 2011, 11:06:35 PM »

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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #526 on: June 23, 2011, 11:06:52 PM »

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I don't understand why folks are bashing Kahn so much.  This is regarded as a very weak draft.  Rather than give a multi-year guaranteed contract to a guy he didn't like, Kahn turned that into a future #1 from Memphis, a couple future #2s, and a ton of cash (presumably).  That's a pretty good return on a bad pick.

I guarantee that Kahn gets more value out of his pick than a lot of other GMs do from theirs.
I thought it fairly evident. They have a ton of young talent, not much of which is very good. They need veteran talent. So rather than picking talent now(weak draft or not this is a crap shoot and he did trade with Chicago, Miami, and Houston, teams with great GMs who will probably all be good and whose picks will probably be as low or lower than this years, except maybe Hosuton's) they put it off and off and receive possibly even lower picks than they were trading.

They don't need more picks. They don't need more youth. They probably need more money but that's about it. What they need is to move some of this youth for vets but Kahn has signed a lot of it to bad contracts and continues to trade down and down every year and getting worse and worse talent.

And now in the next day or so he is apparently going to fire his coach over the phone after hiring a guy dedicated to the triangle offense after having no players that fit that particular offense. He's the same guy that drafted Flynn, Rubio and Lawson in the same draft and now has probably the worse of the three still on his team. he's the guy that has 5 PFs and just drafted another.

Sorry, Kahn gets no love here. He's a bozo.

Eh...  If this was Bill Belichek, people would be talking about what a genius he was.  Kahn parlayed the 20th pick into a tradeable contract (Miller's), a future #1 from Memphis, and several #2s and cash.  That's a fairly impressive haul.

Sure, the Twolves need talent and vets.  However, much like Danny Ainge did, Kahn is acquiring "chips".  Future #1s and possibly the #2s will be tradeable assets that can help land that vet the Twolves need.


Plus he just got Malcolm Lee.

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #527 on: June 23, 2011, 11:07:10 PM »

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Jeremy Tyler to GSW huh? Hm, interesting but not a bad destination for him. I have to say though I am happy we didn't pick him... didn't look like he did all that well over in Japan and he had to be BY FAR the tallest one over there.

Sorry, he was backing up 7'1" Robert Swift.

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #528 on: June 23, 2011, 11:07:34 PM »

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it seems like that bbd will be traded since we have chosen JJJ.

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #529 on: June 23, 2011, 11:07:41 PM »

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I don't understand why folks are bashing Kahn so much.  This is regarded as a very weak draft.  Rather than give a multi-year guaranteed contract to a guy he didn't like, Kahn turned that into a future #1 from Memphis, a couple future #2s, and a ton of cash (presumably).  That's a pretty good return on a bad pick.

I guarantee that Kahn gets more value out of his pick than a lot of other GMs do from theirs.
I thought it fairly evident. They have a ton of young talent, not much of which is very good. They need veteran talent. So rather than picking talent now(weak draft or not this is a crap shoot and he did trade with Chicago, Miami, and Houston, teams with great GMs who will probably all be good and whose picks will probably be as low or lower than this years, except maybe Hosuton's) they put it off and off and receive possibly even lower picks than they were trading.

They don't need more picks. They don't need more youth. They probably need more money but that's about it. What they need is to move some of this youth for vets but Kahn has signed a lot of it to bad contracts and continues to trade down and down every year and getting worse and worse talent.

And now in the next day or so he is apparently going to fire his coach over the phone after hiring a guy dedicated to the triangle offense after having no players that fit that particular offense. He's the same guy that drafted Flynn, Rubio and Lawson in the same draft and now has probably the worse of the three still on his team. he's the guy that has 5 PFs and just drafted another.

Sorry, Kahn gets no love here. He's a bozo.

Eh...  If this was Bill Belichek, people would be talking about what a genius he was.  Kahn parlayed the 20th pick into a tradeable contract (Miller's), a future #1 from Memphis, and several #2s and cash.  That's a fairly impressive haul.

Sure, the Twolves need talent and vets.  However, much like Danny Ainge did, Kahn is acquiring "chips".  Future #1s and possibly the #2s will be tradeable assets that can help land that vet the Twolves need.
No I wouldn't because Belichek would parlay that into two 5th rounders this year, a 7th next year, and then use the picks on a TE, and a DB, and we would still need a pass rusher.

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #530 on: June 23, 2011, 11:08:28 PM »

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A lot of people seem to be leery of JaJuan Johnson's lack of bulk.  But if you look at KG's draft profile, they measure up nearly identically!

KG was 6'11 and weighed 220 lbs.
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kevin-Garnett-2520/

JJ 6'10 and 220 lbs
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/JaJuan-Johnson-5307/

Obviously, I'm not saying that JJ is going to be the next KG.  But it seems to me that guys with that start out with that similar size/build can get stronger and better over time.  I like the fact that JJ is an athletic guy who blocks shots.  At the least he'll give us some weak side/team help shotblocking ability.  That will help defensively.  It also doesn't hurt that JJ will have one of the best PFs in the game to mentor him and teach him the ropes.

I believe one was 18 years old and one was 22 years old.

But I'm still optimistic as well  :)
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #531 on: June 23, 2011, 11:08:35 PM »

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« Reply #532 on: June 23, 2011, 11:08:58 PM »

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How is Selby still on the board? Plenty of upside.

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #533 on: June 23, 2011, 11:10:17 PM »

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I hope Adele got a lot of money from ESPN for letting them use Rolling in the Deep for this draft.  Because at least 50% of people watching this show are never going to want to hear this song again.
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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #534 on: June 23, 2011, 11:10:29 PM »

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I don't understand why folks are bashing Kahn so much.  This is regarded as a very weak draft.  Rather than give a multi-year guaranteed contract to a guy he didn't like, Kahn turned that into a future #1 from Memphis, a couple future #2s, and a ton of cash (presumably).  That's a pretty good return on a bad pick.

I guarantee that Kahn gets more value out of his pick than a lot of other GMs do from theirs.
I thought it fairly evident. They have a ton of young talent, not much of which is very good. They need veteran talent. So rather than picking talent now(weak draft or not this is a crap shoot and he did trade with Chicago, Miami, and Houston, teams with great GMs who will probably all be good and whose picks will probably be as low or lower than this years, except maybe Hosuton's) they put it off and off and receive possibly even lower picks than they were trading.

They don't need more picks. They don't need more youth. They probably need more money but that's about it. What they need is to move some of this youth for vets but Kahn has signed a lot of it to bad contracts and continues to trade down and down every year and getting worse and worse talent.

And now in the next day or so he is apparently going to fire his coach over the phone after hiring a guy dedicated to the triangle offense after having no players that fit that particular offense. He's the same guy that drafted Flynn, Rubio and Lawson in the same draft and now has probably the worse of the three still on his team. he's the guy that has 5 PFs and just drafted another.

Sorry, Kahn gets no love here. He's a bozo.

Eh...  If this was Bill Belichek, people would be talking about what a genius he was.  Kahn parlayed the 20th pick into a tradeable contract (Miller's), a future #1 from Memphis, and several #2s and cash.  That's a fairly impressive haul.

Sure, the Twolves need talent and vets.  However, much like Danny Ainge did, Kahn is acquiring "chips".  Future #1s and possibly the #2s will be tradeable assets that can help land that vet the Twolves need.  Since the Wolves aren't close to winning, I think it's more important to get value and assets than it is to get random veterans.
Roy this isn't the NFL where prime talent can be found in the second half of the draft extremely often and the last 3/4s of the draft on a regular basis. You want talent in the NBA draft you get top 10 picks and everything else is luck.

All-Pro NFL players are regularly selected in rounds 2,3,4 and 5. All-NBA players are seldom selected after pick 15. Huge, gigantic difference.

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #535 on: June 23, 2011, 11:11:19 PM »

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Jeremy Tyler to GSW huh? Hm, interesting but not a bad destination for him. I have to say though I am happy we didn't pick him... didn't look like he did all that well over in Japan and he had to be BY FAR the tallest one over there.

Sorry, he was backing up 7'1" Robert Swift.

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Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #536 on: June 23, 2011, 11:11:41 PM »

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I also think Von Wafer is fairly superior to Brooks. More athletic. Easier for him to construct high percentage shots vs NBA defenses. And  Von Wafer isn't the chuker he used to be... something that Brooks still is.

 That makes at least 2 of us. Solid evaluation imo.

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« Reply #537 on: June 23, 2011, 11:12:01 PM »

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How is Selby still on the board? Plenty of upside.

Character concerns, I guess. I do agree, boom/bust type of pick. Potential to be an Arenas type of player.

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #538 on: June 23, 2011, 11:12:11 PM »

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I don't know about you, but I'm still waiting for Avery Bradley to be traded for a top 5 pick.

I mean cmon.  If you're an NBA GM why don't you do this? You get a top 5 pick at #19 money and the guy just spent a year in the league learning from Rondo.  What more could they ask?

Any minute now I'm sure we'll be hearing the Bradley and a 2nd for Kyle Irving trade.

Re: 2011 NBA Draft Thread
« Reply #539 on: June 23, 2011, 11:12:49 PM »

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I don't understand why folks are bashing Kahn so much.  This is regarded as a very weak draft.  Rather than give a multi-year guaranteed contract to a guy he didn't like, Kahn turned that into a future #1 from Memphis, a couple future #2s, and a ton of cash (presumably).  That's a pretty good return on a bad pick.

I guarantee that Kahn gets more value out of his pick than a lot of other GMs do from theirs.
I thought it fairly evident. They have a ton of young talent, not much of which is very good. They need veteran talent. So rather than picking talent now(weak draft or not this is a crap shoot and he did trade with Chicago, Miami, and Houston, teams with great GMs who will probably all be good and whose picks will probably be as low or lower than this years, except maybe Hosuton's) they put it off and off and receive possibly even lower picks than they were trading.

They don't need more picks. They don't need more youth. They probably need more money but that's about it. What they need is to move some of this youth for vets but Kahn has signed a lot of it to bad contracts and continues to trade down and down every year and getting worse and worse talent.

And now in the next day or so he is apparently going to fire his coach over the phone after hiring a guy dedicated to the triangle offense after having no players that fit that particular offense. He's the same guy that drafted Flynn, Rubio and Lawson in the same draft and now has probably the worse of the three still on his team. he's the guy that has 5 PFs and just drafted another.

Sorry, Kahn gets no love here. He's a bozo.

Eh...  If this was Bill Belichek, people would be talking about what a genius he was.  Kahn parlayed the 20th pick into a tradeable contract (Miller's), a future #1 from Memphis, and several #2s and cash.  That's a fairly impressive haul.

Sure, the Twolves need talent and vets.  However, much like Danny Ainge did, Kahn is acquiring "chips".  Future #1s and possibly the #2s will be tradeable assets that can help land that vet the Twolves need.  Since the Wolves aren't close to winning, I think it's more important to get value and assets than it is to get random veterans.
Roy this isn't the NFL where prime talent can be found in the second half of the draft extremely often and the last 3/4s of the draft on a regular basis. You want talent in the NBA draft you get top 10 picks and everything else is luck.

All-Pro NFL players are regularly selected in rounds 2,3,4 and 5. All-NBA players are seldom selected after pick 15. Huge, gigantic difference.

Then why are you bashing Kahn for trading the 20th pick in a very weak draft for a future #1, millions of dollars, and future #2s?  If Kahn couldn't either draft or trade that pick for a difference maker, then the assets he acquired seem to be tremendous value.

As a GM, Kahn has been mostly bad.  However, that doesn't mean he doesn't make the occasional good decision.


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