Would "the window" have remained open longer if we'd kept Perk?

[CelticsFanNC]

You don't think we'd win more games with Rondo, Green, and a bunch of scrubs than Rondo, Perk, and a bunch of scrubs or just Rondo and the same bunch?

I think a C of Perkins level is more valuable to a team than a SF of Green's level (if he doesn't improve markedly).

  Exactly what level of Perkins play are you referring to?  Perkins from a couple of years ago who was a great man on man defender, a great help defender, a decent rebounder and had a prayer of finishing around the basket...

 -or-

 Post serious knee injury Perkins who was a decent man on man defender, a below average help defender, couldn't finish around the basket, had no lift, couldn't get out of his own way, couldn't get rebounds that didn't drop into his lap, got exposed both in Boston and in OKC and just got a contract that makes him highly overpaid for his skill set and injury history?

[Fafnir]

Huh, I don't get your point A. Unless you disagree that winning games drives ticket sales.

I already said I thought the team would be more competitive with Green in a rebuilding setting where he would get a lot of touches compared to with Perk or nobody if Perk walked, especially if you think about how pathetic a team whose best players are Rondo and Perk would be offensively.

I don't really have anything else to say about the trade (other than that I'm against it since you confused mine and Danny's opinions before you edited your post).  I hated it then and I hated it now, I don't think having a backup SF playing during a bridge year for the QO was worth giving up Perk during a contending year.

Missed where you said you thought Rondo + Green was better than Rondo + Perkins. I disagree with you on that, neither is very good obviously though.

I'm glad to actually get your opinion instead of your opinion of Danny's opinion except in the same post where you let your opinion drift in again.

[Fafnir]

You don't think we'd win more games with Rondo, Green, and a bunch of scrubs than Rondo, Perk, and a bunch of scrubs or just Rondo and the same bunch?

I think a C of Perkins level is more valuable to a team than a SF of Green's level (if he doesn't improve markedly).

  Exactly what level of Perkins play are you referring to?  Perkins from a couple of years ago who was a great man on man defender, a great help defender, a decent rebounder and had a prayer of finishing around the basket...

 -or-

 Post serious knee injury Perkins who was a decent man on man defender, a below average help defender, couldn't finish around the basket, had no lift, couldn't get out of his own way, couldn't get rebounds that didn't drop into his lap, got exposed both in Boston and in OKC and just got a contract that makes him highly overpaid for his skill set and injury history?

I see no reason Perkins shouldn't recover from an ACL tear to his pre-injury level. Knee surgeries like that have a 24 month recovery cycle typically.

He might not, but no one can really know that. Though many like to claim that they do, especially after the fact.

[jdpapa3]

I see no reason Perkins shouldn't recover from an ACL tear to his pre-injury level. Knee surgeries like that have a 24 month recovery cycle typically.

Isn't it more than an ACL tear, though? I know I saw varying reports out there and one even said the evil "microfracture", but I thought it was multiple ligaments.

Should be said that the Jermaine that we saw in the playoffs was the same or a better version than Perkins of the previous playoffs. We were dominant with him. The blame of the backup minutes should go to Baby and/or Doc's reliance on Baby to play the C. We started to go small with Jeff at the 4 and KG at the 5 after Rondo had snapped his arm. Green or Krstic as the 5th wheel of the big 4 should've been enough to beat Miami and we were in a decent spot before Rondo's injury.

[CelticsFanNC]

You don't think we'd win more games with Rondo, Green, and a bunch of scrubs than Rondo, Perk, and a bunch of scrubs or just Rondo and the same bunch?

I think a C of Perkins level is more valuable to a team than a SF of Green's level (if he doesn't improve markedly).

  Exactly what level of Perkins play are you referring to?  Perkins from a couple of years ago who was a great man on man defender, a great help defender, a decent rebounder and had a prayer of finishing around the basket...

 -or-

 Post serious knee injury Perkins who was a decent man on man defender, a below average help defender, couldn't finish around the basket, had no lift, couldn't get out of his own way, couldn't get rebounds that didn't drop into his lap, got exposed both in Boston and in OKC and just got a contract that makes him highly overpaid for his skill set and injury history?

I see no reason Perkins shouldn't recover from an ACL tear to his pre-injury level. Knee surgeries like that have a 24 month recovery cycle typically.

He might not, but no one can really know that. Though many like to claim that they do, especially after the fact.

  I guess I am one of those who doesn't believe we will ever see Kendrick Perkins pre-injury again.  He started with almost no lift and very little in terms of speed and lateral movement so losing any that he had could make him pretty much toast.  Both shoulders, both knees, that contract he just got makes me think OKC is going to have a lot more regret over that trade long term then the Celtic's ever will.  

[Fafnir]

I see no reason Perkins shouldn't recover from an ACL tear to his pre-injury level. Knee surgeries like that have a 24 month recovery cycle typically.

Isn't it more than an ACL tear, though? I know I saw varying reports out there and one even said the evil "microfracture", but I thought it was multiple ligaments.

I can't really credit those reports because you always hear wild speculation with injuries.

I mean an ACL is already about as series as it gets, short of Brandon Roy type bone on bone damage. I haven't seen anything like that about Perkins.

[BballTim]

You don't think we'd win more games with Rondo, Green, and a bunch of scrubs than Rondo, Perk, and a bunch of scrubs or just Rondo and the same bunch?

I think a C of Perkins level is more valuable to a team than a SF of Green's level (if he doesn't improve markedly).

  Exactly what level of Perkins play are you referring to?  Perkins from a couple of years ago who was a great man on man defender, a great help defender, a decent rebounder and had a prayer of finishing around the basket...

 -or-

 Post serious knee injury Perkins who was a decent man on man defender, a below average help defender, couldn't finish around the basket, had no lift, couldn't get out of his own way, couldn't get rebounds that didn't drop into his lap, got exposed both in Boston and in OKC and just got a contract that makes him highly overpaid for his skill set and injury history?

I see no reason Perkins shouldn't recover from an ACL tear to his pre-injury level. Knee surgeries like that have a 24 month recovery cycle typically.

He might not, but no one can really know that. Though many like to claim that they do, especially after the fact.

  I guess I am one of those who doesn't believe we will ever see Kendrick Perkins pre-injury again.  He started with almost no lift and very little in terms of speed and lateral movement so losing any that he had could make him pretty much toast.  Both shoulders, both knees, that contract he just got makes me think OKC is going to have a lot more regret over that trade long term then the Celtic's ever will.  

  Keep in mind that his original return was probably way ahead of schedule. We're only a year away from the injury right now.

[CelticsFanNC]

You don't think we'd win more games with Rondo, Green, and a bunch of scrubs than Rondo, Perk, and a bunch of scrubs or just Rondo and the same bunch?

I think a C of Perkins level is more valuable to a team than a SF of Green's level (if he doesn't improve markedly).

  Exactly what level of Perkins play are you referring to?  Perkins from a couple of years ago who was a great man on man defender, a great help defender, a decent rebounder and had a prayer of finishing around the basket...

 -or-

 Post serious knee injury Perkins who was a decent man on man defender, a below average help defender, couldn't finish around the basket, had no lift, couldn't get out of his own way, couldn't get rebounds that didn't drop into his lap, got exposed both in Boston and in OKC and just got a contract that makes him highly overpaid for his skill set and injury history?

I see no reason Perkins shouldn't recover from an ACL tear to his pre-injury level. Knee surgeries like that have a 24 month recovery cycle typically.

He might not, but no one can really know that. Though many like to claim that they do, especially after the fact.

  I guess I am one of those who doesn't believe we will ever see Kendrick Perkins pre-injury again.  He started with almost no lift and very little in terms of speed and lateral movement so losing any that he had could make him pretty much toast.  Both shoulders, both knees, that contract he just got makes me think OKC is going to have a lot more regret over that trade long term then the Celtic's ever will.  

  Keep in mind that his original return was probably way ahead of schedule. We're only a year away from the injury right now.

  I hope to be wrong.  I hope he fully recovers and returns to being one of the top 3 or 3 defensive Centers in the NBA.  I just have severe doubts that he will ever be 100% healthy again.  Before the knee injuries there was huge concerns about the shoulders which could pop out at any given moment as we have all seen.  Two bad wheels and two bad arms would scare the crap out of me if I just signed him to that bordering on ridiculous contract he just got.  That much money for a guy who has a long and alarming injury history, a guy who is nailed to the bench in 4th quarters and a guy who is a complete liability on one end of the floor??  I'm glad he got his money because he has earned it but I am doubly glad he got it elsewhere.

[Gomesfan]

NO!!! He is overrated!
 
He is gone, leave it alone!!! We are ALL tired of hearing about Perk, I love the guy but come on..... He would extend our window, that is just ridiculous!!!!!!

[BballTim]

You don't think we'd win more games with Rondo, Green, and a bunch of scrubs than Rondo, Perk, and a bunch of scrubs or just Rondo and the same bunch?

I think a C of Perkins level is more valuable to a team than a SF of Green's level (if he doesn't improve markedly).

  Exactly what level of Perkins play are you referring to?  Perkins from a couple of years ago who was a great man on man defender, a great help defender, a decent rebounder and had a prayer of finishing around the basket...

 -or-

 Post serious knee injury Perkins who was a decent man on man defender, a below average help defender, couldn't finish around the basket, had no lift, couldn't get out of his own way, couldn't get rebounds that didn't drop into his lap, got exposed both in Boston and in OKC and just got a contract that makes him highly overpaid for his skill set and injury history?

I see no reason Perkins shouldn't recover from an ACL tear to his pre-injury level. Knee surgeries like that have a 24 month recovery cycle typically.

He might not, but no one can really know that. Though many like to claim that they do, especially after the fact.

  I guess I am one of those who doesn't believe we will ever see Kendrick Perkins pre-injury again.  He started with almost no lift and very little in terms of speed and lateral movement so losing any that he had could make him pretty much toast.  Both shoulders, both knees, that contract he just got makes me think OKC is going to have a lot more regret over that trade long term then the Celtic's ever will.  

  Keep in mind that his original return was probably way ahead of schedule. We're only a year away from the injury right now.

  I hope to be wrong.  I hope he fully recovers and returns to being one of the top 3 or 3 defensive Centers in the NBA.  I just have severe doubts that he will ever be 100% healthy again.  Before the knee injuries there was huge concerns about the shoulders which could pop out at any given moment as we have all seen.  Two bad wheels and two bad arms would scare the crap out of me if I just signed him to that bordering on ridiculous contract he just got.  That much money for a guy who has a long and alarming injury history, a guy who is nailed to the bench in 4th quarters and a guy who is a complete liability on one end of the floor??  I'm glad he got his money because he has earned it but I am doubly glad he got it elsewhere.

  Much of what you say is true, but he's also been a key member of a team that won a title and almost won another. I'm not glad he's gone but I'm glad the Celts didn't sign him to that contract.

[CelticsFanNC]

 That's an emotional response which we as fans are entitled to.

    The best people running professional sports organizations that win consistently in the modern salary cap era are cold blooded when it comes to loyalty/sentiment to players who are either past their primes or injury prone or want more money then they are worth.  Perkiins unfortunately qualifies on two counts.

What would Bill Belichick do?  It's something I appreciate about Ainge.

[mgent]

Huh, I don't get your point A. Unless you disagree that winning games drives ticket sales.

I already said I thought the team would be more competitive with Green in a rebuilding setting where he would get a lot of touches compared to with Perk or nobody if Perk walked, especially if you think about how pathetic a team whose best players are Rondo and Perk would be offensively.

I don't really have anything else to say about the trade (other than that I'm against it since you confused mine and Danny's opinions before you edited your post).  I hated it then and I hated it now, I don't think having a backup SF playing during a bridge year for the QO was worth giving up Perk during a contending year.

Missed where you said you thought Rondo + Green was better than Rondo + Perkins. I disagree with you on that, neither is very good obviously though.

I'm glad to actually get your opinion instead of your opinion of Danny's opinion except in the same post where you let your opinion drift in again.

Bottom line is Danny's opinion didn't make sense.  I still don't see why he did it I was just guessing.

[BballTim]

 That's an emotional response which we as fans are entitled to.

  If you mean my response it wasn't emotional at all. Perk does have his flaws but he's a useful player that can contribute to a good team nonetheless.

[CelticsFanNC]

That's an emotional response which we as fans are entitled to.

  If you mean my response it wasn't emotional at all. Perk does have his flaws but he's a useful player that can contribute to a good team nonetheless.

  I agree, IF HE'S HEALTHY and at a reasonable price but that isn't the case on either count.

 I loved Perkins as much as anyone during the title run and subsequent seasons.  I just believe Ainge did what he had to do considering the injury history, the contract demands, the skill set and the fact that he could walk this off season.   I think getting Jeff Green and that Clips pick is going to look like a steal at some point in the future.

[BballTim]

 That's an emotional response which we as fans are entitled to.

  If you mean my response it wasn't emotional at all. Perk does have his flaws but he's a useful player that can contribute to a good team nonetheless.

  I agree, IF HE'S HEALTHY and at a reasonable price but that isn't the case on either count.

 I loved Perkins as much as anyone during the title run and subsequent seasons.  I just believe Ainge did what he had to do considering all the injury history, the contract demands and the fact that he could walk this off season. 

  I agree, but I think that Perk will get healthier. I also believe that he has more value on a team like OKC than he does on the Celts, in part because of his toughness and championship experience. Kind of like Posey on the 07-08 team having more value than Posey on the 08-09 team with a starting unit that had won a title together.