Would "the window" have remained open longer if we'd kept Perk?

[Roy H.]

Then he leaves and there is NO doubt about that. Its 100% clear he was going to be gone. You don't pass up 34mm for 22mm

Just to be clear, we could have signed Perk to an OKC-level contract in the off-season (or higher), and Perk talked about taking a hometown discount.

[Fan from VT]

I think it was a major mistake to trade Perk because you didn't want to re-up him for a restricted FA who you'll have to pay starter money for even though he is not good enough to start or just let him go. If you were going to deal perk, it should have been for someone cost controlled through next season, at least.

[Who]

I think it was a major mistake to trade Perk because you didn't want to re-up him for a restricted FA who you'll have to pay starter money for even though he is not good enough to start or just let him go. If you were going to deal perk, it should have been for someone cost controlled through next season, at least.

Agreed -- like the Rockets did by trading A.Brooks for G.Dragic.

[17wasEZ]

Then he leaves and there is NO doubt about that. Its 100% clear he was going to be gone. You don't pass up 34mm for 22mm

Just to be clear, we could have signed Perk to an OKC-level contract in the off-season (or higher), and Perk talked about taking a hometown discount.

The Celtics weren't going to do it.  If Perk wasn't gonna sign an extension at a hometown discount, why would Danny think he would sign a discounted offer in the offseason.  

He probably knew Perk could demand $8+million from a cap friendly team who was willing to overpay.  But, I'm sure Danny probably didn't want to feel like he was on the hook to pay Perk $7+million per or risk losing him for nothing.

With Perk's knee and past shoulder issues, Danny had to know what "the damaged goods" were worth to the franchise and felt he wasn't worth the risk.

[LooseCannon]

Then he leaves and there is NO doubt about that. Its 100% clear he was going to be gone. You don't pass up 34mm for 22mm

Just to be clear, we could have signed Perk to an OKC-level contract in the off-season (or higher), and Perk talked about taking a hometown discount.

If the owners get what they want in the labor negotiations, quite possibly not.  The uncertainty of just what will be allowed under the next CBA had to have been a factor in Ainge's decision making.  Perhaps Perk wouldn't have been traded if the NBA owners were not interested in major changes to the CBA.

[Roy H.]

Then he leaves and there is NO doubt about that. Its 100% clear he was going to be gone. You don't pass up 34mm for 22mm

Just to be clear, we could have signed Perk to an OKC-level contract in the off-season (or higher), and Perk talked about taking a hometown discount.

If the owners get what they want in the labor negotiations, quite possibly not.  The uncertainty of just what will be allowed under the next CBA had to have been a factor in Ainge's decision making.  Perhaps Perk wouldn't have been traded if the NBA owners were not interested in major changes to the CBA.

The owners' proposal contains a three-year (or more) phase in for the hard cap / reduction in salaries.  It's very likely that teams will still be allowed to exercise Bird rights, etc., under the new CBA, at least for the short-term.

[mgent]

As much as some people don't want to hear it - trading Perk gave us the best chance to win this past year AND the best chance to compete going forward.

He doesn't help us in that Miami series.

Then he leaves and there is NO doubt about that. Its 100% clear he was going to be gone. You don't pass up 34mm for 22mm.

You can't guarantee championships. Especially with an older team like we have. You just try to rig the odds in your favor as best you can. That's what Danny did this past year. Unfortunately Baby and Shaq are fat lazy ****s and Rondo dislocated his elbow.

I think the worst management issues this past year were not better handling Baby and Shaq in terms of managing their weight and physical conditions.

If we play that Miami series 10x, i think we win 5 or more of them. Pierce thrown out in game 1, throwing away games 4 and 5. Needless to say, Rondo's Elbow. Miami hitting a bunch of shots we wanted them to take.

Jeff Green was disappointing, but he's still a very good player. Younger and better than any guy on your list. And we got him for nothing.

Perk wouldn't have helped last month.
Then he was going to leave.
Yet the hand wringing continues.

How does bringing back the same team that made it to the Finals (and was one game of Perk away from winning them) not put the odds in your favor?  Especially since size has a much bigger history of winning titles than 2nd string SFs who are only capable of scoring but have the aggression level of a squirrel.

[LooseCannon]

Then he leaves and there is NO doubt about that. Its 100% clear he was going to be gone. You don't pass up 34mm for 22mm

Just to be clear, we could have signed Perk to an OKC-level contract in the off-season (or higher), and Perk talked about taking a hometown discount.

If the owners get what they want in the labor negotiations, quite possibly not.  The uncertainty of just what will be allowed under the next CBA had to have been a factor in Ainge's decision making.  Perhaps Perk wouldn't have been traded if the NBA owners were not interested in major changes to the CBA.

The owners' proposal contains a three-year (or more) phase in for the hard cap / reduction in salaries.  It's very likely that teams will still be allowed to exercise Bird rights, etc., under the new CBA, at least for the short-term.

I believe the offer of a phase-in was not made until May.  Before then, the owners were still going for immediate implementation of a hard cap at the time the trade was made.

[Roy H.]

Then he leaves and there is NO doubt about that. Its 100% clear he was going to be gone. You don't pass up 34mm for 22mm

Just to be clear, we could have signed Perk to an OKC-level contract in the off-season (or higher), and Perk talked about taking a hometown discount.

If the owners get what they want in the labor negotiations, quite possibly not.  The uncertainty of just what will be allowed under the next CBA had to have been a factor in Ainge's decision making.  Perhaps Perk wouldn't have been traded if the NBA owners were not interested in major changes to the CBA.

The owners' proposal contains a three-year (or more) phase in for the hard cap / reduction in salaries.  It's very likely that teams will still be allowed to exercise Bird rights, etc., under the new CBA, at least for the short-term.

I believe the offer of a phase-in was not made until May.  Before then, the owners were still going for immediate implementation of a hard cap at the time the trade was made.

Maybe.  I'm pretty skeptical that anyone anticipated that the league would immediately end Bird rights and/or cut back to a $45 million cap, though.  If so, it was pretty silly to trade for a couple of free agents.

[LooseCannon]

Maybe.  I'm pretty skeptical that anyone anticipated that the league would immediately end Bird rights and/or cut back to a $45 million cap, though.  If so, it was pretty silly to trade for a couple of free agents.

It's pretty hard to predict what the next CBA will look like.  Perkins was already going to be a difficult decision if no changes were made to the CBA.  I'm not really for a hard cap, but I would favor something like curtailing teams' use of Bird rights if they are in luxury tax territory and compromises like that could wreck things.

[Fan from VT]

Maybe.  I'm pretty skeptical that anyone anticipated that the league would immediately end Bird rights and/or cut back to a $45 million cap, though.  If so, it was pretty silly to trade for a couple of free agents.

It's pretty hard to predict what the next CBA will look like.  Perkins was already going to be a difficult decision if no changes were made to the CBA.  I'm not really for a hard cap, but I would favor something like curtailing teams' use of Bird rights if they are in luxury tax territory and compromises like that could wreck things.

This is true,but it seems that Green is even more difficult: less of a known quantity, but also up for free agency.

[PosImpos]

Wouldn't have made a difference.  Window closed this year one way or another.

[Dante]

That window was closed back in 2009, or hadnt you noticed it???

[greenpride32]

As others have already said Perk was not going to resign here... period.  We could not have kept him beyond this past season.  Remember he was actually given the choice to remain and he declined it. 

At the time of the deal the team also expected Shaq to not only return for the stretch run, but to also return for the upcoming season (if there is one).

I would have to say we are better off having Jeff Green, than not having both Green and Perkins.

[Roy H.]

As others have already said Perk was not going to resign here... period.  We could not have kept him beyond this past season.  Remember he was actually given the choice to remain and he declined it. 

Danny may have let him leave, but Perk talked repeatedly about wanting to remain in Boston, and seemed interested in taking a deal in the area of 4 years, $30 million when it was mentioned by the media.  He ultimately signed for a bit more than that in OKC, but I get the impression that Perk would have stayed if Danny wanted him back.

I think a lot of fans draw way too many conclusions from Perk's rejection of the 4 year, $22 million contract that Perk turned down.  That was a lowball offer mandated by the rules of the CBA; the team could have offered more this summer.  Nobody, including Danny Ainge, thought the offer the Celtics made was Perk's fair value, and fans shouldn't draw conclusions about Perk's willingness to play in Boston based upon his rejecting the offer.