Would "the window" have remained open longer if we'd kept Perk?

[mgent]

Imagine if Grant Hill ended up coming here with Sheed?  We'd be the two-time champs.

[mgent]

I've said it 100 times, but Wafer, Harangody, and Sasha could have EASILY produced as much if not more than Marquis Daniels.  If nothing else they would have improved the defense (or rebounding in Gody's case) and shooting.

Most unnecessary trade of all time.

[paulcowens]

This whole discussion is nothing short of ludicrous.  Of course we need Perkins.  All anyone talks about is how desperately we need a big man.

[paulcowens]

I've said it 100 times, but Wafer, Harangody, and Sasha could have EASILY produced as much if not more than Marquis Daniels.  If nothing else they would have improved the defense (or rebounding in Gody's case) and shooting.

Most unnecessary trade of all time.

I think it wasn't unnecessary.  I think it was thought to be necessary for reasons that had nothing to do with winning a championship.  Maybe someone will admit what the real reason was in an autobiography some day.

[CelticsFanNC]

  The issue to me is Perkins wanted, and got more money then he is worth.  Remove sentiment/loyalty(as any competent GM should do) from the equation and just measure value.  It is highly doubtful that Perkins ever lives up to the deal he just got and would have wanted from the Celtics. 

  So with that said I believe trading Perkins regardless of whether you're trying to win now or beginning to rebuild was absolutely the correct decision.  He's just not worth the kind of money he got.  Good for him.  I'm just glad Ainge didn't get suckered into that kind of mistake for a very limited player with no upside and a very questionable injury history .

[Marcus13]

Im not saying he'd be worth the contract but yes, if Perk and Nate were still on this team rather than Jeff Useless Green, the window would still be open going into next season.  That's one less huge, gaping hole that we wouldn't need to address this off-season

[LooseCannon]

However, I think its a moot point anyways, because I just don't think Danny was going to pay what it would have cost to resign Perk on the open market.

One thing that people don't bring up is that there is a possibility that Ainge has inside knowledge that the owners are really planning on digging their heels in on the idea of a hard cap, which might have made it impossible to resign Perkins.

[jdpapa3]

Depends on how Perk looks next season and then what happens with Jeff Green is obviously huge in terms of assessing the big picture. If he is as slow as he was during the playoffs for the entire season, then the window has probably been pried open longer than it would've with him sticking around.

[Tai]

Perk wasn't willing to accept practically MLE money to stay here when offered the extension. That spelt the beginning of the end of his time here, as far as I see.

I'm also not so sure the window is extended if he's not back to his old self. Has already mentioned, we pretty much may have little bench as it is. And if JO really can't provide much, does Perk alone in the center position really enough?

[Chris]

However, I think its a moot point anyways, because I just don't think Danny was going to pay what it would have cost to resign Perk on the open market.

One thing that people don't bring up is that there is a possibility that Ainge has inside knowledge that the owners are really planning on digging their heels in on the idea of a hard cap, which might have made it impossible to resign Perkins.

Danny didn't need to know that.  All he needed was Presti mentioning that if they couldn't get him via trade, Perkins was going to be their #1 target in the offseason, and they were going to offer as much money as it took to lure him away.

[17wasEZ]

I've said it 100 times, but Wafer, Harangody, and Sasha could have EASILY produced as much if not more than Marquis Daniels.  If nothing else they would have improved the defense (or rebounding in Gody's case) and shooting.

Most unnecessary trade of all time.

I think it wasn't unnecessary.  I think it was thought to be necessary for reasons that had nothing to do with winning a championship.  Maybe someone will admit what the real reason was in an autobiography some day.

Let's see.....liiiiiiike Danny knowing a guy with two bad knees for the rest of the 2010-2011 season wasn't going to help very much in a series unless the Celtics played the Magic, Spurs or Lakers? 

You did see that Miami went small against the Celtics, right?  That means Perk would have played even less minutes in that series than normal and may have had a hard time matching his 4.5 points and 6.1 rebounds per game he averaged in the playoffs with OKC.

[mgent]

I've said it 100 times, but Wafer, Harangody, and Sasha could have EASILY produced as much if not more than Marquis Daniels.  If nothing else they would have improved the defense (or rebounding in Gody's case) and shooting.

Most unnecessary trade of all time.

I think it wasn't unnecessary.  I think it was thought to be necessary for reasons that had nothing to do with winning a championship.  Maybe someone will admit what the real reason was in an autobiography some day.

what are these reasons that have nothing to do with winning a championship and why in the world do they matter?

[shookones99]

I also noticed the irony a weeks ago that we went 3 straight off-seasons without covering up the gaping hole we had at SF, and now that we do it's the year of SFs in free agency.  I think it sucks, everybody would take Perk and one of the FAs you listed over Jeff Green and one of the loser centers available.

Do you mean for the C's or league wide?  I'd bet that around the league Green has significantly higher value than Perk.  And I personally would probably prefer a Green/Dalembert combo than a Perk/FA SF

[OsirusCeltics]

  The issue to me is Perkins wanted, and got more money then he is worth.  Remove sentiment/loyalty(as any competent GM should do) from the equation and just measure value.  It is highly doubtful that Perkins ever lives up to the deal he just got and would have wanted from the Celtics. 

  So with that said I believe trading Perkins regardless of whether you're trying to win now or beginning to rebuild was absolutely the correct decision.  He's just not worth the kind of money he got.  Good for him.  I'm just glad Ainge didn't get suckered into that kind of mistake for a very limited player with no upside and a very questionable injury history .

A thousand times yes

[EDWARDO]

As much as some people don't want to hear it - trading Perk gave us the best chance to win this past year AND the best chance to compete going forward.

He doesn't help us in that Miami series.

Then he leaves and there is NO doubt about that. Its 100% clear he was going to be gone. You don't pass up 34mm for 22mm.

You can't guarantee championships. Especially with an older team like we have. You just try to rig the odds in your favor as best you can. That's what Danny did this past year. Unfortunately Baby and Shaq are fat lazy Edited for profanity.  Please do not do it again.s and Rondo dislocated his elbow.

I think the worst management issues this past year were not better handling Baby and Shaq in terms of managing their weight and physical conditions.

If we play that Miami series 10x, i think we win 5 or more of them. Pierce thrown out in game 1, throwing away games 4 and 5. Needless to say, Rondo's Elbow. Miami hitting a bunch of shots we wanted them to take.

Jeff Green was disappointing, but he's still a very good player. Younger and better than any guy on your list. And we got him for nothing.

Perk wouldn't have helped last month.
Then he was going to leave.
Yet the hand wringing continues.