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Re: Chad Ford's Tiers
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2011, 01:37:59 PM »

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Kemba Walker is one of the only players who I'd be 100% confident in on even Tier 3

Not saying superstar by any means but he could make his way on to an All-Star Team - very Jamal Crawford-Ben Gordon

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Kemba Walker is one of the only players who I'd be 100% confident in on even Tier 3

Not saying superstar by any means but he could make his way on to an All-Star Team - very Jamal Crawford-Ben Gordon

I would absolutely love to grab Enes Kanter if I'm any team.  I think this guy has a ton of potential.  I'd say there's a better than 20% chance that we're talking about him being the best player of the draft 10 years from now.  Maybe it's just because he's white, but I see some Pau Gasol/Dirk potential in him.
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Re: Chad Ford's Tiers
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2011, 02:02:31 PM »

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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

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Kemba Walker is one of the only players who I'd be 100% confident in on even Tier 3

Not saying superstar by any means but he could make his way on to an All-Star Team - very Jamal Crawford-Ben Gordon

The problem is, he doesn't have the size or the shooting ability of either of those guys (but he is a better PG than either of them).

I just see him as a guy who doesn't have the instincts to be a top tier traditional PG, doesn't have the shooting ability to be an Arenas (pre-injury) or Crawford type sharp-shooting scorer, and who doesn't have the crazy athleticism and size to be a Westbrook/Wall/Rose type slashing scorer.

Instead, I think he is a guy who can do a little of it all, and who has the heart the lift him up.  I think he will likely be similar to Ty Lawson, Jameer Nelson, and Darren Collison.  A solid starting PG or excellent backup guard off the bench.  But not really someone you build a team around.

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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

When I think about hyped, undersized, NYC point guards about to be drafted in the high lottery into the NBA (like Kemba), I think of Starbury and Sebastian Telfair.  Both were projected similarly coming into the NBA.  Telfair was actually said to be the better "street-baller" which was kind of Marbury's style of game in the NBA.  Quite different careers they ended up having.  I stick with my opinion that Kemba could end up anywhere in between and I think uncontrollable variables such as coaching, team philosophy, how well his players fit around him, having good veteran mentors, etc. are what will determine the kind of player he becomes.
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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2011, 02:53:50 PM »

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Kemba Walker is undersized, but not in the way people think he is.  He's actually not all that short for a point guard - 6'1" in shoes, which is maybe a tick below average but not greatly so.  The problem is that he has a 6'3.5" wingspan, which is well below average.  He isn't going to be using Rondo's poke-away-the-ball-from-behind trick very often, that's for sure.  Other than that, he's much more athletic than people realized as well - his vertical is nearly 40 inches, which is well above what anybody expected coming in.

He reminds me a bit of Ty Lawson, as has been said several times.  I don't think anybody expects him to be a first or second option on an offense - at least not an efficient one - but I do think he can be a good spark off the bench.  

Also, don't underestimate Brandon Knight.  He was a gunner his first year in college because that's what he was used to doing in high school - he had to do everything for his team at that level.  As soon as he started learning to play real offense, he played much better.  I'd expect him to continue to learn, because he's reputed to be an extremely intelligent person both on and off the court.  

He's a project.  He's only 19, he'll put on more muscle as he matures, and he doesn't have much experience running a real offense.  He could have benefited with another year in college at most places, but with Marquis Teague coming in behind him I think leaving Kentucky was a pretty good decision.  I think it'll take him a couple of years, but I fully expect Knight to become a solid starting guard - but I don't think he's an All-Star.  I don't think anybody in this draft is, frankly.

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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

He's way tougher and a better passer than Nate Rob.

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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

He's way tougher and a better passer than Nate Rob.

Better passer yes (and overall floor leader), not tougher though.  There are not many guys in pro sports tougher than Nate Rob.

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2011, 04:53:31 PM »

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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

He's way tougher and a better passer than Nate Rob.

Better passer yes (and overall floor leader), not tougher though.  There are not many guys in pro sports tougher than Nate Rob.

If you were to compare K.Walker to a current NBA player ... how good of passer / floor general is he?

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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

He's way tougher and a better passer than Nate Rob.

Better passer yes (and overall floor leader), not tougher though.  There are not many guys in pro sports tougher than Nate Rob.

If you were to compare K.Walker to a current NBA player ... how good of passer / floor general is he?
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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

He's way tougher and a better passer than Nate Rob.

Better passer yes (and overall floor leader), not tougher though.  There are not many guys in pro sports tougher than Nate Rob.

If you were to compare K.Walker to a current NBA player ... how good of passer / floor general is he?

I think Ty Lawson or Jameer Nelson are still the best examples.  He has a natural leadership quality to him, but does not have the vision and creativity of a true pass first PG.

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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

He's way tougher and a better passer than Nate Rob.

Better passer yes (and overall floor leader), not tougher though.  There are not many guys in pro sports tougher than Nate Rob.

If you were to compare K.Walker to a current NBA player ... how good of passer / floor general is he?

I think Ty Lawson or Jameer Nelson are still the best examples.  He has a natural leadership quality to him, but does not have the vision and creativity of a true pass first PG.
Nelson works for me, but Lawson is such a fast break player that I don't think he is a fit for Kemba's game.

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I only saw a brief bit of Kemba Walker during the NCAA tournament but he looked like a poor man's Nate Robinson (no three point shot, less efficient offensively) to me.

My expectations for K.Walker are for him to be an average to below average backup PG.

I can't imagine him as a starting PG in the NBA or even a high level backup. Too small, too inefficient. 

He's way tougher and a better passer than Nate Rob.

Better passer yes (and overall floor leader), not tougher though.  There are not many guys in pro sports tougher than Nate Rob.

If you were to compare K.Walker to a current NBA player ... how good of passer / floor general is he?

I think Ty Lawson or Jameer Nelson are still the best examples.  He has a natural leadership quality to him, but does not have the vision and creativity of a true pass first PG.
Nelson works for me, but Lawson is such a fast break player that I don't think he is a fit for Kemba's game.

That's true, although I think some of that is the system.  But I think the makeup is similar.  Hard nosed leaders, who might not be true floor generals, but can still get things done. 

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That's true, although I think some of that is the system.  But I think the makeup is similar.  Hard nosed leaders, who might not be true floor generals, but can still get things done. 
I don't think so, Lawson always wants/wanted to fly both at UNC and in Denver.

Kemba has always looked most comfortable with the ball in his hands in the half court. He doesn't push the pace to generate a break like Lawson has always done.

I get what you're saying about their leadership though, how they dictate what their team is doing (at least at the collegiate level)