Where would you rank Garnett on the list of All-Time Power Forwards?

[wdleehi]

I think the misconception with KG's career is that he had almost no help in his career. Even worst than Pierce
By the time he went on the Celtics he was in his 13th, count em 13th season! He always kept himself in perfect condition and was very productive, but it was after his prime. Theres no doubt he would win 3-4 titles if he had help in his prime years. He gets knocked for being on bad teams

1. KG
2. Elvin Hayes
3. James Worthy
4. Dirk
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Mchale
7. Charles Barkley
8. Dave DeBusschere

  I was going to comment on Dirk over Duncan until I saw James Worthy in there. Wow.

Dirk is better than Duncan

Because...




Duncan, 4 rings to 1 ring


Duncan's Spurs have won 3 out of 5 playoff meetings with Dirk's Mavs.


Duncan plays defense.  

[Fafnir]

Because...




Duncan, 4 rings to 1 ring


Duncan's Spurs have won 3 out of 5 playoff meetings with Dirk's Mavs.


Duncan plays defense.  

Duncan also rebounds as well.

[OsirusCeltics]

I think the misconception with KG's career is that he had almost no help in his career. Even worst than Pierce
By the time he went on the Celtics he was in his 13th, count em 13th season! He always kept himself in perfect condition and was very productive, but it was after his prime. Theres no doubt he would win 3-4 titles if he had help in his prime years. He gets knocked for being on bad teams

1. KG
2. Elvin Hayes
3. James Worthy
4. Dirk
5. Tim Duncan
6. Kevin Mchale
7. Charles Barkley
8. Dave DeBusschere

  I was going to comment on Dirk over Duncan until I saw James Worthy in there. Wow.

Dirk is better than Duncan

Because...




Duncan, 4 rings to 1 ring


Duncan's Spurs have won 3 out of 5 playoff meetings with Dirk's Mavs.


Duncan plays defense.  

I don't think you can rank a player based off of team accomplishments. Besides this year, what teammates Dirk had that equaled David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, Steven Jackson

Rebounding, they are about equal. The stats are skewed because Dirk plays on the perimeter

[Fafnir]

Rebounding, they are about equal. The stats are skewed because Dirk plays on the perimeter

How so Dirk guards Cs/PFs exclusively. This means that his defensive rebounding shouldn't be effected by his perimeter offensively play.

His defensive rebounding numbers efforts are even worse than his poor offensive rebounding. Dirk is chronic with poor box outs and weak efforts that allow other players to scoop up offensive boards even if he himself wouldn't have gotten there.

In no way or shape is Dirk an equal to Tim Duncan when it comes to rebounding, especially as he's gotten older.

[CelticG1]

Without looking to deep into and admittedly missing Mchales prime due to my age I would go ....

1. KG - Duncan....I think Duncan was more fundamentally sound but I think KG's athleticism weighs heavily in KG's favor obviously. Both great defenders but KG could just be anywhere on the floor guarding anyone. I would probably rank KG ahead of Duncan except for Duncan's rings. Who knows if KG would have been able to replicate that or even surpass it but the fact that Duncan did brings him at the top for me with KG.

2. Malone
3. Barkley
4. Dirk
5. Mchale

I don't have any old timers in here because aren't familiar enough with them. I Mchale and Dirk are real close for me. I think I would just take longevity over a shorter prime. Otherwise Mchale possessed the skills to be number one but these other guys did and are doing it for a ridiculous period of time

[OsirusCeltics]

Rebounding, they are about equal. The stats are skewed because Dirk plays on the perimeter

How so Dirk guards Cs/PFs exclusively. This means that his defensive rebounding shouldn't be effected by his perimeter offensively play.

His defensive rebounding numbers efforts are even worse than his poor offensive rebounding. Dirk is chronic with poor box outs and weak efforts that allow other players to scoop up offensive boards even if he himself wouldn't have gotten there.

In no way or shape is Dirk an equal to Tim Duncan when it comes to rebounding, especially as he's gotten older.

Dirk is a power forward who plays like a small forward. Offensively and Defensively he plays on the perimeter. He still averages 8.4 rebs a game, which ain't bad. Duncan is a power forward who plays like a center. He's always in the paint and able to get all of those rebounds

[Fafnir]

Rebounding, they are about equal. The stats are skewed because Dirk plays on the perimeter

How so Dirk guards Cs/PFs exclusively. This means that his defensive rebounding shouldn't be effected by his perimeter offensively play.

His defensive rebounding numbers efforts are even worse than his poor offensive rebounding. Dirk is chronic with poor box outs and weak efforts that allow other players to scoop up offensive boards even if he himself wouldn't have gotten there.

In no way or shape is Dirk an equal to Tim Duncan when it comes to rebounding, especially as he's gotten older.

Dirk is a power forward who plays like a small forward. Offensively and Defensively he plays on the perimeter. He still averages 8.4 rebs a game, which ain't bad. Duncan is a power forward who plays like a center. He's always in the paint and able to get all of those rebounds

This isn't true, Dirk has never guarded SFs for extended periods of time. He has always taken the PF/C as his assignment depending on who is the lesser offensive threat.

[2short]

Well the easy part is KG would rank as the best defensive power forward ever.  I would consider him in no order one of the top 3 defensive big men to ever play.
akeem, kg & russ

[OsirusCeltics]

Rebounding, they are about equal. The stats are skewed because Dirk plays on the perimeter

How so Dirk guards Cs/PFs exclusively. This means that his defensive rebounding shouldn't be effected by his perimeter offensively play.

His defensive rebounding numbers efforts are even worse than his poor offensive rebounding. Dirk is chronic with poor box outs and weak efforts that allow other players to scoop up offensive boards even if he himself wouldn't have gotten there.

In no way or shape is Dirk an equal to Tim Duncan when it comes to rebounding, especially as he's gotten older.

Dirk is a power forward who plays like a small forward. Offensively and Defensively he plays on the perimeter. He still averages 8.4 rebs a game, which ain't bad. Duncan is a power forward who plays like a center. He's always in the paint and able to get all of those rebounds

This isn't true, Dirk has never guarded SFs for extended periods of time. He has always taken the PF/C as his assignment depending on who is the lesser offensive threat.

Dirk hardly guards them in the paint. Ball swiping Chris Bosh in the Finals isn't guarding lol

[Fafnir]

Dirk hardly guards them in the paint. Ball swiping Chris Bosh in the Finals isn't guarding lol

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

Dirk plays the PF/C position on defense. The fact that he plays it at a below average level in both individual and help defense doesn't mean he's out on the perimeter guarding SFs.

[OsirusCeltics]

Dirk hardly guards them in the paint. Ball swiping Chris Bosh in the Finals isn't guarding lol

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean.

Dirk plays the PF/C position on defense. The fact that he plays it at a below average level in both individual and help defense doesn't mean he's out on the perimeter guarding SFs.

TP

Yeah, I agree. Just joking. Meant to say that Dirk doesn't play that good of defense. He stands in front of his defender for 5 seconds, then gets lost when his man always blows by him. Dirk rarely puts his foot in the paint off or deff (except when he's attacking the basket)

[wdleehi]

Rebounding, they are about equal. The stats are skewed because Dirk plays on the perimeter

How so Dirk guards Cs/PFs exclusively. This means that his defensive rebounding shouldn't be effected by his perimeter offensively play.

His defensive rebounding numbers efforts are even worse than his poor offensive rebounding. Dirk is chronic with poor box outs and weak efforts that allow other players to scoop up offensive boards even if he himself wouldn't have gotten there.

In no way or shape is Dirk an equal to Tim Duncan when it comes to rebounding, especially as he's gotten older.

Dirk is a power forward who plays like a small forward. Offensively and Defensively he plays on the perimeter. He still averages 8.4 rebs a game, which ain't bad. Duncan is a power forward who plays like a center. He's always in the paint and able to get all of those rebounds

This isn't true, Dirk has never guarded SFs for extended periods of time. He has always taken the PF/C as his assignment depending on who is the lesser offensive threat.

Dirk hardly guards them in the paint. Ball swiping Chris Bosh in the Finals isn't guarding lol

So you are saying Dirk can not play defense against the big boys.


As a big man, Dirk can not mix it up down low.




Advantage, Duncan. 


As for teammates, Nash, Kidd, Terry, Finley, Jamison, Walker...

Both have had strong teams. 

[mgent]

Rebounding, they are about equal. The stats are skewed because Dirk plays on the perimeter

How so Dirk guards Cs/PFs exclusively. This means that his defensive rebounding shouldn't be effected by his perimeter offensively play.

His defensive rebounding numbers efforts are even worse than his poor offensive rebounding. Dirk is chronic with poor box outs and weak efforts that allow other players to scoop up offensive boards even if he himself wouldn't have gotten there.

In no way or shape is Dirk an equal to Tim Duncan when it comes to rebounding, especially as he's gotten older.

Dirk is a power forward who plays like a small forward. Offensively and Defensively he plays on the perimeter. He still averages 8.4 rebs a game, which ain't bad. Duncan is a power forward who plays like a center. He's always in the paint and able to get all of those rebounds

This isn't true, Dirk has never guarded SFs for extended periods of time. He has always taken the PF/C as his assignment depending on who is the lesser offensive threat.

Dirk hardly guards them in the paint. Ball swiping Chris Bosh in the Finals isn't guarding lol

He wasn't even on Bosh, Chandler was.  He was typically guarding Anthony/Haslem.

[DavorCroatiaFan]

Croatia votes:

1- McHale
2- KG
3- Barkley
4- Pettit
5- K. Malone
6- Nowitzki
7- Hayes
8- Rodman
9- Heinsohn
10- DeBusscherre

For me, Tim D. is a center, not PF.

[wdleehi]

Croatia votes:

1- McHale
2- KG
3- Barkley
4- Pettit
5- K. Malone
6- Nowitzki
7- Hayes
8- Rodman
9- Heinsohn
10- DeBusscherre

For me, Tim D. is a center, not PF.

Even though he won titles as a starting PF (Robinson was definitely the C)