Author Topic: Where would you rank Garnett on the list of All-Time Power Forwards?  (Read 16460 times)

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Offline CaptainJackLee

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I'd go:

1 - Tim Duncan
2 - Kevin Garnett

Mostly because Duncan was a more typical big, easier to build around than Garnett. However, if I were a GM I'd pick Garnett over Duncan. Hmmm... maybe not 15 years ago... bur today, absolutely, with the way the game is played today I rank Garnett as a better player than Duncan, or at least one that I'd rather have on my team, better fit for the way I see the game. Anyway, I think Garnett + Duncan are a bit better than the rest of the pack. After them it's more difficult to pick.

3 - Karl Malone
4 - Dirk Nowitzki
5 - Charles Barkley
6 - Kevin McHale

Offline CelticG1

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Are there any PF's that people see breaking into the top 10 all time that are in their prime now?

Pau
Amare
Aldridge
Boozer
Bosh (HA)
Griffin - not in prime but pretty legit

Anyone else?

I don't really see any of those guys getting close to breaking top 10. The only possibility I think is Griffin because he was just so dominant in his first year that he has a real possibiliy to be groomed into an alltime player

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1. KG
2. TD

3. Everyone else.


If you break down every aspect of individual play...KG beats Duncan in virtually every category.

Duncan has the edge in post moves and blocked shots, but I would contend that if KG were not so versatile and gifted with quickness he would have played defense a ton more inside the paint instead of on the perimeter blitzing wings and point guards.

Duncan is a fantastic passer for a big, KG is better.

Duncan has the 15-20 footer down pat, but KG's is better.

Duncan is not that good at the FT line (suggests Center position not PF), KG is better.

3 point shooting, though not a true staple of the big man, KG is still better.

Lastly, on of the more important aspect of Power Forward position - rebounding.

I know the numbers will show that Duncan averages more rebounds per game than KG for their careers. (11.4 to 10.7)

I know that the numbers will show that Duncan has a higher reb. rate and reb% than KG. (But most of that is due in large part of the oreb%).
Duncan certainly wins there because he plays closer to the paint and in the paint much more often than KG.

But even though KG plays more perimeter on offense his oreb% is no joke.

The key here is the dreb%, KG dominates Duncan here even considering KG's lean early seasons coming straight out of HS. For 4 straight seasons KG led the league in this category. Of those 4 seasons he was near 30% rate for dreb. Duncan hasn't come close to 30% in any season in his career.

Even last year, at KG's advanced age he was near 29% dreb.

That's kinda scary, considering how much hops KG has lost due to age and injury.

This shows that KG's rebounding prowess wasn't just reliant on youth and athleticism.

Both can score and both are highly efficient from the Field.

But in the end, KG's defense and versatility outweighs Duncan's traditionalism.

Offline OsirusCeltics

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Rebounding, they are about equal. The stats are skewed because Dirk plays on the perimeter
How so Dirk guards Cs/PFs exclusively. This means that his defensive rebounding shouldn't be effected by his perimeter offensively play.

His defensive rebounding numbers efforts are even worse than his poor offensive rebounding. Dirk is chronic with poor box outs and weak efforts that allow other players to scoop up offensive boards even if he himself wouldn't have gotten there.

In no way or shape is Dirk an equal to Tim Duncan when it comes to rebounding, especially as he's gotten older.

Dirk is a power forward who plays like a small forward. Offensively and Defensively he plays on the perimeter. He still averages 8.4 rebs a game, which ain't bad. Duncan is a power forward who plays like a center. He's always in the paint and able to get all of those rebounds
This isn't true, Dirk has never guarded SFs for extended periods of time. He has always taken the PF/C as his assignment depending on who is the lesser offensive threat.

Dirk hardly guards them in the paint. Ball swiping Chris Bosh in the Finals isn't guarding lol


So you are saying Dirk can not play defense against the big boys.


As a big man, Dirk can not mix it up down low.




Advantage, Duncan.  


As for teammates, Nash, Kidd, Terry, Finley, Jamison, Walker...

Both have had strong teams.  
The one year rentals with Walker and Jamison, and a 37 and 38 year old Jason Kidd? Please
Terry, Finely and Nash was the only ones he had
And that compares to David Robinson in his prime, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, Sean Elliot, Avery Johnson, Steven Jackson? Its not even close


So you're saying Pippen was better than Bird? He was a better defender
Its not that simple. The reason I put Dirk ahead of Duncan is that Duncan's inability to "take over a game" offensively. He has no go-to moves. Not a dominant scorer, more of a system guy. Also his so-called dominance is mostly because he is a C playing PF. His size is just too much for guys like Stoudamire or Boozer

His high IQ and team play make him on my top PF list, but lets not get crazy and call him the greatest PF
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Ranking anyone on an all time list is hard. Is Lebron better then Bird? Was Russ better then Chamberlain? Was MJ better then me? Ok, well sometimes its pretty easy.

I am kind of surpised that McHale doesnt get more credit on this site. The talent lever back in the 80's was superior to todays and that may be part of it. Since Kevin played with Bird maybe people dont realize how good he was. He could score against anyone, was an excellent one on one defender and also help defender and was also a very good rebounder. Maybe he averaged only 8 rebounds a game but he played alongside two other players who averaged 10 or more.

I would rate the power forwards as follows.

1. Duncan- I debated KG here a lot.
2. KG-- Hard to say who's better, it's really a toussup.
3. McHale--Unstoppable around the basket. Could have easily averaged 30 pts. had he wanted.

4. Malone-only due to his consistency

5. Rodman- Wedding dress or not, this guy was a winner. One of the most underrated players of all time.

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Nice to see the KG love.

Was checking out some stuff on youtube from him. This vid illustrates to me what further separates him from other PFs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_7BCWJmoRs&NR=1

What he does to get into player's heads is incredible.

Looking forward to more of this in a few months!

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Ranking anyone on an all time list is hard. Is Lebron better then Bird? Was Russ better then Chamberlain? Was MJ better then me? Ok, well sometimes its pretty easy.

I am kind of surpised that McHale doesnt get more credit on this site. The talent lever back in the 80's was superior to todays and that may be part of it. Since Kevin played with Bird maybe people dont realize how good he was. He could score against anyone, was an excellent one on one defender and also help defender and was also a very good rebounder. Maybe he averaged only 8 rebounds a game but he played alongside two other players who averaged 10 or more.

I would rate the power forwards as follows.

1. Duncan- I debated KG here a lot.
2. KG-- Hard to say who's better, it's really a toussup.
3. McHale--Unstoppable around the basket. Could have easily averaged 30 pts. had he wanted.

4. Malone-only due to his consistency

5. Rodman- Wedding dress or not, this guy was a winner. One of the most underrated players of all time.


Your number 5 for Dennis brought back some memories. He was another player that did the headgames with opponents.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRsHwtsWic&playnext=1&list=PLACD7ECB8A0A63032

This stuff isn't allowed in the NBA anymore, but Dennis was a master at it. Definitely one of the all-time best PFs. He didn't make my list from earlier, but defensively he was arguably the best of all time.

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Are there any PF's that people see breaking into the top 10 all time that are in their prime now?

Pau
Amare
Aldridge
Boozer
Bosh (HA)
Griffin - not in prime but pretty legit

Anyone else?

I don't really see any of those guys getting close to breaking top 10. The only possibility I think is Griffin because he was just so dominant in his first year that he has a real possibiliy to be groomed into an alltime player

I think the Llama might get in the top 15. Even though many call him soft, you can't deny his talent. The main reason Lakers won their last 2 titles

Aldridge to me is going to be on a all time list. May be too early to tell. A great combination of finesse and power. High b-ball IQ, soft hands. Rebounds very well, and runs the break. IMO he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame and win a couple titles