rondo for cavs #1?

[Ersatz]

also this is just 1 idea for 1 player yes i probbaly started with the wrong piece but all im saying is we must explore all options now rebuilding or not

No, we must not. You are overreacting. Have you noticed that Dallas, who is not better than the Celtics, is hanging with the Heat, just as we did? Have you noticed that Chicago was a paper tiger?

There's no reason to panic, especially when your version of panic means trading an all-star who plays the game's most important position. Relax, please.

[tyrone biggums]

I'm convinced we need to win another title next year so threads like this stop. Why would we trade a championship point guard for a #1 in a weak draft? #1 picks are a crap shoot no matter how good the prospect is. I think people should relax a little bit here.

[angryguy77]

I have an idea, why doesn't everyone gang up, post a bunch of rolling eyes and call th op stupid in a round about way. Oh wait, that's been done already.

Its just an idea, we are better than this. nothing like making a guy feel welcome.

[zerophase]

When's the last time a team traded away the #1 pick?

[LooseCannon]

When's the last time a team traded away the #1 pick?

The draft day trade of Chris Webber for Anfernee Hardaway and picks.  Otherwise, the then-San Diego Clippers trading the pick that became Brad Daugherty.

[CeltsAcumen]

well im pretty much convinced that its time to rebuild i can go on & on why i feel that way but i'll go to the point

rondo for cavs 1st pick (irving)
or
rondo & jeff & 25th pick for cavs 1st pick & anderson verejo

thoughts?

Why would we rebuild by trading our best young talent for what would at best turn into a lateral move?

well me persoanlly i like what i saw from irving in college he has a good ceiling enough for me to make the move & begin the process of rebuilding but das just me

Kyrie Irving is not even in the same league as Rajon Rondo.  Irving will be lucky if he gets a starting job over Baron Davis and Rondo is an all star with serious playoff experience.

My question is when did you see Irving in College?  When he was playing scrubs like UNC-Ashville before he got hurt or after when he was the #1 reason the Dukies imploded in the NCAA tourney?  Irving is SO overrated, I almost feel sorry for the kid.  Cleveland is expecting Lebron II and they are about to get Mario Chalmers-lite.

If the Celts could get Derrick Williams and then try and grab Chris Paul or Deron Williams well then I would be all in, but those are very unlikely to happen.

[Chris]

OK, how about this for a 3-team trade:

Boston gets:

Enes Kanter (#3 pick), Anderson Varejao, Ramon Sessions

Cleveland gets:

Al Jefferson, Rajon Rondo, #12 pick

Utah gets:

Kyrie Irving (#1 pick), #4 pick


Why for Boston?  They get two young big men to build around, and a very servicable PG.

Why for Cleveland?  They get their PG and PF to build around. 

Why for Utah?  They save some cash, get the franchise PG they want, and still have the 4th pick to add another piece. 

[KungPoweChicken]

OK, how about this for a 3-team trade:

Boston gets:

Enes Kanter (#3 pick), Anderson Varejao, Ramon Sessions

Cleveland gets:

Al Jefferson, Rajon Rondo, #12 pick

Utah gets:

Kyrie Irving (#1 pick), #4 pick


Why for Boston?  They get two young big men to build around, and a very servicable PG.

Why for Cleveland?  They get their PG and PF to build around. 

Why for Utah?  They save some cash, get the franchise PG they want, and still have the 4th pick to add another piece. 

This is actually a pretty solid trade for all three teams, but Cleveland definitely gets the short end of the stick.

[Chris]

OK, how about this for a 3-team trade:

Boston gets:

Enes Kanter (#3 pick), Anderson Varejao, Ramon Sessions

Cleveland gets:

Al Jefferson, Rajon Rondo, #12 pick

Utah gets:

Kyrie Irving (#1 pick), #4 pick


Why for Boston?  They get two young big men to build around, and a very servicable PG.

Why for Cleveland?  They get their PG and PF to build around. 

Why for Utah?  They save some cash, get the franchise PG they want, and still have the 4th pick to add another piece. 

This is actually a pretty solid trade for all three teams, but Cleveland definitely gets the short end of the stick.

Depends what they think of Rondo and Jefferson. 

I think from a basketball standpoint, you are probably right, but from the perspective of filling seats, adding a guy like Rondo, and a legit low post threat like Jefferson could really bring some the fans back, and build a little more excitement than bringing in college players might.

[CelticsFanNC]

  I also don't get trading Rondo whether you're still trying to win or rebuilding.  He's the best player the Celtics have drafted in over a decade(since Pierce).  He's proven one thing that all of the other young high profile PG's have yet to do in that he is a championship level PG.  Pass first PG's traditionally throughout NBA history have had more success in winning then the scoring PG's so many people are craving.  He's the only guy on the current squad that is capable of attracting these big name FA's so many are hoping for in 2012.  They aren't coming here to play with the aging Big Three which is a certainty IMO. It makes no sense to me unless you're getting a big upgrade at his position who also happens to be young enough ot build around.

  Rondo isn't a franchise player, he isn't paid like one and he might not ever be one but he is a great building block for the future.

[Chris]

Pass first PG's traditionally throughout NBA history have had more success in winning then the scoring PG's so many people are craving.  

This is a minor point, but you make it sound like this is a fact.  So, my question is, what "pass first" PG's have won championships over the last 20 years, or even been to the finals?

Rondo is the only to win it, Jason Kidd (who has become one of the best 3 point shooters in the history of the league), Mark Jackson are the only guys I can think of.

On the other hand, for scoring PGs there have been Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, Jason Terry, Jameer Nelson, Allen Iverson, Steve Kerr, and Kevin Johnson.

Now, I am not saying this means shoot first guys are better, but I just don't think the opposite is true either.  I think you need great players, and players who compliment each other at the different positions.  The roles can be different at different positions, depending on the needs of the team. 

[Phil125]

Rebuild by trading the only player worth keeping

nice try.

[slamtheking]

OK, how about this for a 3-team trade:
Boston gets:
Enes Kanter (#3 pick), Anderson Varejao, Ramon Sessions
Cleveland gets:
Al Jefferson, Rajon Rondo, #12 pick
Utah gets:
Kyrie Irving (#1 pick), #4 pick
Why for Boston?  They get two young big men to build around, and a very servicable PG.
Why for Cleveland?  They get their PG and PF to build around. 
Why for Utah?  They save some cash, get the franchise PG they want, and still have the 4th pick to add another piece. 

This is actually a pretty solid trade for all three teams, but Cleveland definitely gets the short end of the stick.

Are you kidding?  This trade bites for Boston.  They give up the best player by far.  They get a non-scoring center, a PG that would have a tough time beating out Delonte as the BACKUP PG right now and a rookie big man that won't see much court time if any.

Utah gets to move Al for two young players in the contract move they've been rumored to want.

Cle makes out like bandits.  The scoring young big man they've wanted, an all-star top-5 PG with a championship ring AND the #12 pick to get another building block for that team. 

Sorry, I don't move Rondo for anything less than an all-star and other assets.

[CelticsFanNC]

Pass first PG's traditionally throughout NBA history have had more success in winning then the scoring PG's so many people are craving.  

This is a minor point, but you make it sound like this is a fact.  So, my question is, what "pass first" PG's have won championships over the last 20 years, or even been to the finals?

Rondo is the only to win it, Jason Kidd (who has become one of the best 3 point shooters in the history of the league), Mark Jackson are the only guys I can think of.

On the other hand, for scoring PGs there have been Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, Jason Terry, Jameer Nelson, Allen Iverson, Steve Kerr, and Kevin Johnson.

Now, I am not saying this means shoot first guys are better, but I just don't think the opposite is true either.  I think you need great players, and players who compliment each other at the different positions.  The roles can be different at different positions, depending on the needs of the team. 

  Not to quibble with details but I didn't say the past 20 years, you did.  I said traditionally throughout NBA history and I go back quite a bit further then 20 years.

  My mistake is I should have been more specific as I meant guys like, Rose, Paul and D.Willaims (Westbrook), guys who score 20+ppg, teams leading scorer, take a lot of shots and have to date won nothing at the NBA level.  I don't remember any 20+ppg PG other then Isiah Thomas winning an NBA title but I am sure I am probably forgetting someone.  I remember Magic Johnson winning a bunch as the consummate pass first PG. I believe a team is much tougher to defend if the guy who is the primary ball handler looks to facilitate more so then score.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Rondo for Cavs #1? NO.

Rondo for Cavs #1 and #4 and Ramon Sessions, yes.

That I can probably give some time to think about. Since C's get two high picks and their own and they get a PG who, may not be that good but has a little trade value as a backup PG.

But then again, trading our core piece for rebuilding for someone who's unproven (although has potential) is just plain nuts.