Would Green&Bradley land us Varejao/would you do it?

[Fafnir]

I don't think Cleveland does this anyways. They'd be left with no size at all.

[TBreezy]

I'd probably do an AV trade. Would rather do BBD and AB, instead of Green and BBD though.

yup sign and trade with baby -> AV and Smush comming back; no exceptions used ;-)

[Evantime34]

Cleveland wouldn't do this.

However, I think this is a great deal for the Celtics. Varejao would make our defense historically good, he'd board up and finish around the hoop off good passes.

[CelticsFanNC]

  I like how Side Show Bob plays the game and think he would be a nice fit in green but I dont know that he addresses the main weakness the Celtics suffered through last season which was scoring draughts.  Green although not a superstar is a miles better offensive player then Varajao.

  If I am trading Green I want to make sure I am trading him for someone who helps in the biggest area of need which to me is scoring.  Like Green or not he is probably one of the best assets the Celtics have right now due to his age, possible upside and the fact that he has been a solid starter on a playoff team for much of the past few seasons.

  I know we also need size but throwing another guy out on the floor who can defend but that other teams dont really need to pay attention to on the offensive end to me would be counter productive.

[birdwatcher]

Varejao as a player would be a good fit, but I wouldn't trade away Green for him--that would leave us with Pierce and no back up. I feel confident we could sign another C for cheaper. I'd be interested in Hickson and Varejao, but it would still leave us shallow at the 3.

[Chris]

Varejao as a player would be a good fit, but I wouldn't trade away Green for him--that would leave us with Pierce and no back up. I feel confident we could sign another C for cheaper. I'd be interested in Hickson and Varejao, but it would still leave us shallow at the 3.

My interest in Varajao is for one, I have always been a fan, but also because I think there are move impact wings potentially available for the MLE this year than starting quality centers. 

If they lose Green, but get a starting center like Andy, it would free up the MLE (assuming there is one in the new CBA), to throw at someone like JR Smith, Jason Richardson, Jamaal Crawford, Caron Butler, Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, Mike Dunleavy, Shane Battier, and plenty of lower level guys as well. 

If they aren't convinced Green is part of the future core of the team, then I think thats not a bad deal.

[Mr October]

I'd be on board with trading for Varejao. He's the type of mobile, hustling, defensive, rebounding big man the team could currently use now and in the future.

But i don't think Cleveland should have interest in trading him away. His contract is reasonable for a starter and he might fit in nicely with their rebuilding process.

The Cavs certainly aren't the type of team that can create cap space and lure a superstar. The franchise and the city just aren't that desirable. So might as well hold on to him unless you were getting a lottery pick in return.

[pearljammer10]

No and double no.

[PortCelt]

@ Chris ... Unless it's part of a blockbuster JG stays to validate the trade. Kristic (S/T) is more palatable.

For those who complain about Varajao's offensive skills he's more polished than D. Jordan.

I'd flip Kristic (S/T) + 2011 #1 + cash. Andy's contract is fair by today's standards, and the Cav's are going to have to rebuild by the draft because right now Cleveland is a free agent wasteland.

[Chris]

@ Chris ... Unless it's part of a blockbuster JG stays to validate the trade. Kristic (S/T) is more palatable.

For those who complain about Varajao's offensive skills he's more polished than D. Jordan.

I'd flip Kristic (S/T) + 2011 #1 + cash. Andy's contract is fair by today's standards, and the Cav's are going to have to rebuild by the draft because right now Cleveland is a free agent wasteland.

I don't know much about Danny Ainge, but one thing I can tell you is that he does not care enough about validating the trade to make future roster decisions in order to do that (plus, he can always say they still got the Clippers pick, which they wouldn't have gotten had Perk played out the year).

As for the trade you propose, I don't see why Cleveland would consider it.  Krstic doesn't do much for them, and they wouldn't even be relieving salary if he replaces Andy.  And the C's 2011 pick is pretty much useless to them, since they already have so many picks this year, and it is a weak draft anyways. 

As you said, Andy's contract is very fair, so the C's will have to make it worth it to them to give him up.  And a late pick in a bad draft won't do it. 

[jambr380]

Wouldn't this trade essentially be Perk and Bradley for Varejao and a 1st rounder? If you cancel out Bradley and the 1st, it would be Perk for Varejao. I wonder how many people around here would still do this deal if we still had Perk. Even the contracts are pretty similar...

[xmuscularghandix]

I don't think this forum has enough respect for Jeff Green.

[hardlyyardley]

Green will be a serious player for us.....be patient

[snively]

Without hesitation, but Cleveland would want more for Andy.  His trade value has to be on par with (or even greater than) Perk. And an injured Perk still netted Green, Krstic, and a (potential) late lottery pick.

I think we'd have to throw in the Clippers pick to get them to consider it.  We could probably keep Bradley, though.  I don't see why they'd want him anyway with Irving on board and Davis, Sessions, Gibson making $20 mil and taking all the available back-up guard minutes.

Jeff Green/Clippers pick for Varejao is something I'd do, and the Cavs might be tempted by.

KG/Varejao/JO = best defensive big men combination in the league.  Resign Delonte, add an offensively skilled MLE wing like Tayshaun Prince to that mixture and we'd be very hard to beat. 

[PortCelt]

@ Chris ... Unless it's part of a blockbuster JG stays to validate the trade. Kristic (S/T) is more palatable.

For those who complain about Varajao's offensive skills he's more polished than D. Jordan.

I'd flip Kristic (S/T) + 2011 #1 + cash. Andy's contract is fair by today's standards, and the Cav's are going to have to rebuild by the draft because right now Cleveland is a free agent wasteland.

I don't know much about Danny Ainge, but one thing I can tell you is that he does not care enough about validating the trade to make future roster decisions in order to do that (plus, he can always say they still got the Clippers pick, which they wouldn't have gotten had Perk played out the year).

As for the trade you propose, I don't see why Cleveland would consider it.  Krstic doesn't do much for them, and they wouldn't even be relieving salary if he replaces Andy.  And the C's 2011 pick is pretty much useless to them, since they already have so many picks this year, and it is a weak draft anyways. 

As you said, Andy's contract is very fair, so the C's will have to make it worth it to them to give him up.  And a late pick in a bad draft won't do it. 

Sure, Perk declined their best offer and was out the door no matter what. But the trade was also made for the future and that is to skew younger and become more athletic. Green will be given a chance to validate that rationale. Package JG and perhaps Kristic or Davis, and a pick, or the QUIS TPE, for something grandiose would be considered a stepping stone in the vernacular of Danny stock piling young talent, which led to Garnett. But to S/T Green and ship him to Cleveland? No I think even Danny would have problems explaining it was all meant for the greater good of a protected Clips #1.

You would have to assume Kristic would have more value than a smaller Green or Davis. Cavs need the size, and if a 2011 #1 doesn't hit their sweet spot then offer next years #1. But keep that paper Clips pick in the back pocket. This isn't a bad thread because the more you consider what Varejao can bring to this team the more ways you need form a conjecture on how make it possible.