Tim Donaghy accuses JVG of betting on the Heat based on inside info

[Fafnir]

Question that came up during the game last night; Has LeBron James ever fouled out of a game in his career? I feel like I read a stat somewhere a while back that said he's only gotten more than 4 fouls in a game once or twice in his career...

It's pretty absurd with how physical Lebron plays defense. He bodies up people very hard and just doesn't get called for it. Although I don't agree that those type of calls should be made, they are in fact made on everyone else a ton. If Paul Pierce bodies up Lebron at all there is a whistle prettymuch immediately on contact. When Lebron does it (and lets face it Lebron is stronger) Pierce will fumble the ball or something because he's driving against a brick wall that keeps bumping him and lebron just won't get called for anything. The only fouls he gets called for are offensive fouls (no more than one a game), the occasional obvious slap on the wrist/forearm, and intentional fouls to prevent a layup.

I honestly think that if Lebron wanted to he could be a lot more physical and STILL not get into foul trouble

Pierce body's LeBron plenty when they play each other. The real reason LeBron doesn't get called for many blocks is that he is quick/long enough that SFs don't really blow by him.

There are two areas that bug me: how they let him get away with a ton of contact on weakside shot blocking, but most athletic players get similar leeway and how they let him use his shoulder to create contact and get to the line.

[indeedproceed]

Could we change the thread title to "Tim Donaghy feebly attempts to become relevant again by making completely unfounded wildy speculative accusations about one of the NBA's most respected analysts"?

[vinnie]

The fact that Tim DOnaghy has any credibility is amazing to me.

[Fafnir]

The fact that Tim DOnaghy has any credibility is amazing to me.

People love to believe in conspiracies.

[Chris]

Is JVG not allowed to bet on the game?  Its not like he is a coach. 

[vinnie]

Just watched the videos. It is sad what desperate people will do to try to remain relevant. Hey, Tim, time to find another career, buddy.

[zerophase]

I think that TD has something here. Even though he is a disgraced former NBA ref and really has no credibility outside of the court, what this guy does have is NBA officiating  knowledge.  Which, if he does this correctly, sticks to the obvious calls that are not being called or the favoritism that we as fans think there is, I think he could gain some attention from the fans as well as David Stern where we might see some actual change in the way officials call games.

But if TD continues to throw out loose accusations then he is going to be continually looked at as just a disgraced official who nobody is going to take serious. 

-Lastly, while watching that clip with Lebron elbow checking Bareas throat, sure JVG didnt say anything about it, but I think, If I remember correctly, Mike Breen saying that it could have been called an offensive foul.

I agree. Tim may have been betting on the games betting on the games but he's still a long NBA veteran ref. Anyone can see in those videos that it's pretty clearly a flagrant and a travel. You can't judge his referring knowledge with bias towards the person.

[ThaPreacher]

The fact that Tim DOnaghy has any credibility is amazing to me.

People love to believe in conspiracies.

In a word:  NAIVITE

http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blogspot.com/2007/01/list-of-proven-conspiracies-from.html

Silliness!
Next thing you know you'll think they want to put chips in our passports to track us.

[Fafnir]

The fact that Tim DOnaghy has any credibility is amazing to me.

People love to believe in conspiracies.

In a word:  NAIVITE

http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blogspot.com/2007/01/list-of-proven-conspiracies-from.html

Silliness!
Next thing you know you'll think they want to put chips in our passports to track us.

Next thing you'll have someone post a giant link of things that mostly weren't secret and don't even fit the definition of conspiracy theories!

Really DeBeers is on the list? Its been a monopoly forever, and everyone has known it for years an years. Many other poor examples as well as I skimmed through it.

[Fafnir]

Is JVG not allowed to bet on the game?  Its not like he is a coach. 

I'm betting both the NBA and ESPN/ABC have policies against announcers betting on games they announce.

[Donoghus]

Donaghy is a pathetic joke and and has no credibility in my book.

Enjoy your conspircacy theories because that's all they are; conspiracy theories made up by a self-serving liar.

[ThaPreacher]

The fact that Tim DOnaghy has any credibility is amazing to me.

People love to believe in conspiracies.

In a word:  NAIVITE

http://conspiraciesthatweretrue.blogspot.com/2007/01/list-of-proven-conspiracies-from.html

Silliness!
Next thing you know you'll think they want to put chips in our passports to track us.

Next thing you'll have someone post a giant link of things that mostly weren't secret and don't even fit the definition of conspiracy theories!

Really DeBeers is on the list? Its been a monopoly forever, and everyone has known it for years an years. Many other poor examples as well as I skimmed through it.

Next thing you know they'll say that the architect of Mt. Rushmore once was in the KKK
and that the land was stolen from the Indians under a ruse of a Gold Rush.  GEESH!!

And I thought DeBeers lived in Chicago....sigh

Say it aint so, Joe!

I wonder if Donaghy fans saw this list also:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15974_7-insane-conspiracies-that-actually-happened.html

And lay off Van Gundy!  Anyman who can hold onto Alonzo Mourning's leg for that long,
isn't involved in any conspiracy!  Seriously, guys.

[jdpapa3]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4966/a-professional-gambler-s-take-on-the-tim-donaghy-scandal

Was an interesting read.

If Popovich is the guy you lean to if you are unsure of what to do, Rivers is certainly the guy you look to if you want to know what NOT to do.

I know the guy did this a few years ago, but the Celtics are always on top of 2 for 1's, proper situations to give a foul to give, out of bounds plays for a quick basket. I'm trying to dig into my head to remember if this was still the case back in 07-08 and I think Rivers was still good at this stuff then. I also think it's funny that he faded us against the Cavs in our championship year. The "sharp" has a vendetta against us!  

I actually put a lot of my methods to the test this year as a trial run and I came out positive enough after the season to the point where I want to put an actual investment into it next year. Sucked on the Celtics and Lakers...gonna lay off of them when it comes to actual money.

To the subject at hand, 95% of Donaghy's claims about other ref biases are false. He bet his own games, got caught, and tried to drag the whole ship down with him based on pre-existing conspiracies.

[Fafnir]

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4966/a-professional-gambler-s-take-on-the-tim-donaghy-scandal

Was an interesting read.

If Popovich is the guy you lean to if you are unsure of what to do, Rivers is certainly the guy you look to if you want to know what NOT to do.

I know the guy did this a few years ago, but the Celtics are always on top of 2 for 1's, proper situations to give a foul to give, out of bounds plays for a quick basket. I'm trying to dig into my head to remember if this was still the case back in 07-08 and I think Rivers was still good at this stuff then. I also think it's funny that he faded us against the Cavs in our championship year. The "sharp" has a vendetta against us!  

I actually put a lot of my methods to the test this year as a trial run and I came out positive enough after the season to the point where I want to put an actual investment into it next year. Sucked on the Celtics and Lakers...gonna lay off of them when it comes to actual money.

To the subject at hand, 95% of Donaghy's claims about other ref biases are false. He bet his own games, got caught, and tried to drag the whole ship down with him based on pre-existing conspiracies.

Yeah I loved that article when it was first posted, and its interesting to read now. NBA playbook and a few other sites have kept their own stats on Coaches and Pop/Rivers are marked very highly typically.

I wonder if he's basing his opinion on Doc's early years with the Celtics?

[Finkelskyhook]

I love how articles about Donaghy consistently lead with "Disgraced former referee Tim Donaghy" .....Much like people of the same "neutral" ilk identify people who think differently with ridiculous acronyms in front of their names.

The reality is that what Donaghy said in both videos about the ridiculous calls and non-calls is spot-on.  Sad part is it doesn't take an NBA referee to see it.  We all see it.   How the messiah gets by with 3-4-5 steps is about as covert as 6'8" 450lb King Kong Bundy tippy-toeing from the dressing room to the ring with a chair and hitting somebody over the head with it....And tippy-toeing out of the ring without the referee 3 feet away seeing anything....Except there's 3 officials, the most talented in basketball all watching the same thing....And the freaking NBA ain't supposed to be FAKE.

The fact that Tim DOnaghy has any credibility is amazing to me.

Well, Vinnie....Did you read his book?  How he was able to bet on games based on star calls and the personal relationships..(Good and Bad) that officials had with players, owners, and coaches?  I'm not crazy about his accusations where they pertain to commentators....But every NBA professional commentator says literally nothing after reviewing replays multiple times??  The messiah never ever fouls out despite being the most physical player on the court.  The messiah never travels?  They unanimously say nothing??  Think they're neutral?  Wade never travels?  Watch a Bavetta-officiated game. Tell me what Donaghy says isn't spot-on accurate about how if one team gets a big lead you'll see Bavetta make ridiculous calls to bring the other team back.  What Donaghy says about NBA officials is nothing we didn't talk about before his indictment.  He's very credible when it comes to the specifics of the officiating and very accurate about the specific games in his book and how they were manipulated.