Watching Haslem Frustrates me

[kozlodoev]

To bring Haslem back into the discussion, his career averages are 10 pts, 8.1 rebs and 50% shooting.  Baby's career averages are 7.6 pts, 4.1 rebs and 45% shooting.  He's shown flashes, but you seem to think Baby is a different player that what he really is.

When you bring Haslem back to the discussion, make sure you're actually comparing comparable stats. Haslem's career averages are recorded over ~30 mpg. Glen Davis' stats are recored over ~21 mpg.

As someone correctly pointed out, extended to 36 minutes, Haslem and Davis are virtually the same player over the course of their careers (at least where statistical contribution is concerned).

[kozlodoev]

And the fact that he looks 25 lbs heavier to you doesn't make you right either.  He doesn't look 25 lbs heavier to me, and Ainge is on the record saying that Davis is not in violation of his weight clause.

That's kind of a non sequitur, considering that the details of BBD's weight clause aren't widely known.  If the threshold is high enough that 20-25 lbs. wouldn't bother it, BBD can simultaneously get fatter and still avoid violation on weighing dates.

Technically, this is correct. It is also very likely irrelevant, since if the weight clause is high enough, no-one would have bothered to put it in the contract in the first place.

[barefacedmonk]

BBD has already started working out for next season...he'll be back....leaner and meaner.

[17wasEZ]

BBD has already started working out for next season...he'll be back....leaner and meaner.

Wow, his left chee-chee is almost touching his left shoulder. Impressive.

Actually, I thought it was Perkins for a second until I noticed he was a) running, and b) not wearing two knee braces. On that note, I hope Perk heals well and it's an OKC-Celtics finals next year. 

[MBunge]

To bring Haslem back into the discussion, his career averages are 10 pts, 8.1 rebs and 50% shooting.  Baby's career averages are 7.6 pts, 4.1 rebs and 45% shooting.  He's shown flashes, but you seem to think Baby is a different player that what he really is.

When you bring Haslem back to the discussion, make sure you're actually comparing comparable stats. Haslem's career averages are recorded over ~30 mpg. Glen Davis' stats are recored over ~21 mpg.

As someone correctly pointed out, extended to 36 minutes, Haslem and Davis are virtually the same player over the course of their careers (at least where statistical contribution is concerned).

Yes, and the reasons why Haslem has actually played more in his career than Big Baby have nothing at all to do with anything.  His coaches have just arbitrarily decided to play Haslem more minutes and Doc has just arbitrarily decided to play Baby fewer minutes.  It has nothing to do with their play or production on the court.  In fact, every player in the NBA is just as good as every other player, they just don't all get the same minutes and no one quite understands why.  Heck, based on his production, The Mavericks ought to be playing JJ Barea 40+ minutes a game!

Yeesh.

Mike

[Interceptor]

Technically, this is correct. It is also very likely irrelevant, since if the weight clause is high enough, no-one would have bothered to put it in the contract in the first place.

This is nothing more than conjecture on your part.  The contract was signed two years ago, and you haven't a clue as to what the weight limit(s) might be, or the dates certain when he needs to be under them in order to qualify for his bonus.

[jambr380]

I honestly thought this thread was going to be about how frustrating it is to watch Haslem's [way too long] braids bounce all over the place while he is running/jumping. I guess that is just me.

He is a decent player, though I don't know that he offers much more than baby.

[tenn_smoothie]

me too, and Chandler on the MAVs is playing awesome too... BBD was a huge drag on the Celtics when we needed him the most...sorta like Perk for OKC of late.

  I really can't believe all the shots people are taking at Perk for playing when he's not healthy yet. It's been less than a year since that serious knee injury.

the only shot i'm taking at Perk is to get him back to Boston, where he belongs.

[kozlodoev]

Technically, this is correct. It is also very likely irrelevant, since if the weight clause is high enough, no-one would have bothered to put it in the contract in the first place.

This is nothing more than conjecture on your part.  The contract was signed two years ago, and you haven't a clue as to what the weight limit(s) might be, or the dates certain when he needs to be under them in order to qualify for his bonus.

But you have no clue either. Therefore speculating that the weight clause is high enough that Davis can gain 25 lbs and still not break it is, likewise, a conjecture.

[kozlodoev]

To bring Haslem back into the discussion, his career averages are 10 pts, 8.1 rebs and 50% shooting.  Baby's career averages are 7.6 pts, 4.1 rebs and 45% shooting.  He's shown flashes, but you seem to think Baby is a different player that what he really is.

When you bring Haslem back to the discussion, make sure you're actually comparing comparable stats. Haslem's career averages are recorded over ~30 mpg. Glen Davis' stats are recored over ~21 mpg.

As someone correctly pointed out, extended to 36 minutes, Haslem and Davis are virtually the same player over the course of their careers (at least where statistical contribution is concerned).

Yes, and the reasons why Haslem has actually played more in his career than Big Baby have nothing at all to do with anything.  His coaches have just arbitrarily decided to play Haslem more minutes and Doc has just arbitrarily decided to play Baby fewer minutes.  It has nothing to do with their play or production on the court.  In fact, every player in the NBA is just as good as every other player, they just don't all get the same minutes and no one quite understands why.  Heck, based on his production, The Mavericks ought to be playing JJ Barea 40+ minutes a game!

Yeesh.

Mike

"Production on the court" is relative.

Udonis Haslem's alternatives were Jermaine O'Neal, Mark Blount, Earl Barron, Jamaal Magloire.

Glen Davis' competition for playing time: Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins, Rasheed Wallace, (healthy) Leon Powe.

That might have something to do with the distribution of playing time.

[EJPLAYA]

To bring Haslem back into the discussion, his career averages are 10 pts, 8.1 rebs and 50% shooting.  Baby's career averages are 7.6 pts, 4.1 rebs and 45% shooting.  He's shown flashes, but you seem to think Baby is a different player that what he really is.

When you bring Haslem back to the discussion, make sure you're actually comparing comparable stats. Haslem's career averages are recorded over ~30 mpg. Glen Davis' stats are recored over ~21 mpg.

As someone correctly pointed out, extended to 36 minutes, Haslem and Davis are virtually the same player over the course of their careers (at least where statistical contribution is concerned).

If you play 30 minutes instead of 21 does your shooting percentage move from 45% to 50%? I never knew that… 

[Celtic#9]

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

No, not at all...for all of Paul's antics off the floor, he was still very productive on the floor during that series, obviously outside of the 1 game suspension in that series.

Sure, except for the years of hogging the ball and chucking bad jump shots (sounds familiar?).

PP will get less hassle for chucking bad shots for the following reasons:

1) He is a starter
2) In addition to 1, he is also the best offensive player on the team
3) In addition to 1 and 2 he is an allstar
4) In addition to 1,2,3 he will be in the HOF and has taken and hit bad shots for many years while carrying the team on his back for large stretches in a game.

Now I never agree with bad shots, but nobody on here thinks BBD sucks ... Well some of them might. We can all agree, however, that sometimes he tries to play out of his role.

[BballTim]

To bring Haslem back into the discussion, his career averages are 10 pts, 8.1 rebs and 50% shooting.  Baby's career averages are 7.6 pts, 4.1 rebs and 45% shooting.  He's shown flashes, but you seem to think Baby is a different player that what he really is.

When you bring Haslem back to the discussion, make sure you're actually comparing comparable stats. Haslem's career averages are recorded over ~30 mpg. Glen Davis' stats are recored over ~21 mpg.

As someone correctly pointed out, extended to 36 minutes, Haslem and Davis are virtually the same player over the course of their careers (at least where statistical contribution is concerned).

Yes, and the reasons why Haslem has actually played more in his career than Big Baby have nothing at all to do with anything.  His coaches have just arbitrarily decided to play Haslem more minutes and Doc has just arbitrarily decided to play Baby fewer minutes.  It has nothing to do with their play or production on the court.  In fact, every player in the NBA is just as good as every other player, they just don't all get the same minutes and no one quite understands why.  Heck, based on his production, The Mavericks ought to be playing JJ Barea 40+ minutes a game!

Yeesh.

Mike

  Haha. How many minutes do you think Haslem would get backing up KG for his entire career?

[soap07]

Since minutes are an issue, let's take a look at some other numbers.

Davis' rebounding rate for his career: 12.0...in 2011, it was 11.4.

Haslem's - 15.3.

Haslem's career PER: 13.9

Davis: 11.8

[MBunge]

To bring Haslem back into the discussion, his career averages are 10 pts, 8.1 rebs and 50% shooting.  Baby's career averages are 7.6 pts, 4.1 rebs and 45% shooting.  He's shown flashes, but you seem to think Baby is a different player that what he really is.

When you bring Haslem back to the discussion, make sure you're actually comparing comparable stats. Haslem's career averages are recorded over ~30 mpg. Glen Davis' stats are recored over ~21 mpg.

As someone correctly pointed out, extended to 36 minutes, Haslem and Davis are virtually the same player over the course of their careers (at least where statistical contribution is concerned).

Yes, and the reasons why Haslem has actually played more in his career than Big Baby have nothing at all to do with anything.  His coaches have just arbitrarily decided to play Haslem more minutes and Doc has just arbitrarily decided to play Baby fewer minutes.  It has nothing to do with their play or production on the court.  In fact, every player in the NBA is just as good as every other player, they just don't all get the same minutes and no one quite understands why.  Heck, based on his production, The Mavericks ought to be playing JJ Barea 40+ minutes a game!

Yeesh.

Mike

"Production on the court" is relative.

Udonis Haslem's alternatives were Jermaine O'Neal, Mark Blount, Earl Barron, Jamaal Magloire.

Glen Davis' competition for playing time: Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins, Rasheed Wallace, (healthy) Leon Powe.

That might have something to do with the distribution of playing time.

I know you're immune to facts, but what else can I do.

Haslem played 23.4 minutes a game as a rookie.  That's more than Baby averaged his first three seasons in the league.  Haslem has averaged over 30 minutes a game 5 times.  Baby didn't even average 30 minutes a game this past season when he was a 6th Man of the Year contender.  Haslem played just under 28 minutes a game 2 seasons ago because Miami was trying to get something out of Michael Beasley, who's certainly at least as good as healty Powe or Sheed in his final season.  Now Haslem has come off the bench in the playoffs to average 26.5 minutes after missing the entire season.  How many minutes did Baby average in the playoffs this year?  21.1, and that's with stinking the court up for at least 7 of the 9 games he played, so you can't exactly say he was being held back.

As for Perk and KG, they never averaged more than 63 minutes a game combined while both were in Boston.  That leaves 33 more minutes at the 4 and 5, yet for some strange reason Doc decided to give a lot of those minutes to people other than Baby.  I have no idea why he did that because, as you keep pointing out, Baby is THE ULTIMATE BASKETBALL WARRIOR AND NO ONE CAN EVER HAVE ANY LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS ABOUT HOW HE PLAYS.

Mike