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Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2011, 04:35:48 PM »

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Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2011, 04:35:52 PM »

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Danny Ainge love for Tweeners needs to end. Just say no to tweeners Danny Ainge. We need an intervention.
Yeah, why have tweeners when you can have Patrick O'Bryant. He's legit, man.

Yeah, I think people need to realize that Danny is not picking tweeners by choice.  He is getting them because they are more effective than guys who have better size, but are bad basketball players.

Guys who have prototypical size, and who are good players are very hard to come by.  They almost always come at a high cost of either cash, very high draft picks, or assets in a trade.  

However, you can find tweeners who are very productive role players, and can be had for a fraction of the cost, or as a late draft pick.  

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2011, 10:13:16 AM »

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Danny Ainge love for Tweeners needs to end. Just say no to tweeners Danny Ainge. We need an intervention.
Yeah, why have tweeners when you can have Patrick O'Bryant. He's legit, man.

Yeah, I think people need to realize that Danny is not picking tweeners by choice.  He is getting them because they are more effective than guys who have better size, but are bad basketball players.

Guys who have prototypical size, and who are good players are very hard to come by.  They almost always come at a high cost of either cash, very high draft picks, or assets in a trade.  

However, you can find tweeners who are very productive role players, and can be had for a fraction of the cost, or as a late draft pick.  
Good point.  This is why Leon is "gettable".  Real centers don't grow on trees. 

Frankly I'd rather have Leon than Baby.  Both tweeners, Baby a bit better on offense, Leon the better rebounder, defensively it may be a wash as both are very good at taking charges.  The real difference is what is between the ears and I've just had enough of Baby's selfish cry-Baby ways.  He is not the classic Celtics player I had hoped for.  On the other hand, Leon provides exactly what the team needs and will be happy as a role player.

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2011, 12:55:16 PM »

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Leon Powe is everything Glen Davis is not.
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Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2011, 06:51:41 PM »

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Well Danny could have taken Marc Gasol instead of the tweeners he did take: Pruitt and BBD


Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2011, 01:47:40 AM »

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I'm willing to give Leon another chance. I always preferred Leon over BBD. Id take my chances on Leon than giving another contract to BBD

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2011, 08:33:09 AM »

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Give it up man.  We just went thru all this BS the last 3 years with aging vets trying to win it one last time and there's all kinds of problems with the team - any you want Leon Powe.  You are kidding right?

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2011, 08:36:35 AM »

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Non-guaranteed contract.. I could see him being better than the draft pick we make....but I'm not sure

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2011, 11:37:46 AM »

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Non-guaranteed contract.. I could see him being better than the draft pick we make....but I'm not sure
Nothing is for sure, but Leon is VERY likely to be better than an unknown rookie taken late in the 1st round of a not very deep draft.  In any case, Doc doesn't give rooks much PT so draft picks don't help the 2011-2012 season.

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2011, 10:16:20 AM »

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Danny Ainge love for Tweeners needs to end. Just say no to tweeners Danny Ainge. We need an intervention.
Yeah, why have tweeners when you can have Patrick O'Bryant. He's legit, man.

Yeah, I think people need to realize that Danny is not picking tweeners by choice.  He is getting them because they are more effective than guys who have better size, but are bad basketball players.

Guys who have prototypical size, and who are good players are very hard to come by.  They almost always come at a high cost of either cash, very high draft picks, or assets in a trade.  

However, you can find tweeners who are very productive role players, and can be had for a fraction of the cost, or as a late draft pick.  
Good point.  This is why Leon is "gettable".  Real centers don't grow on trees. 

Frankly I'd rather have Leon than Baby.  Both tweeners, Baby a bit better on offense, Leon the better rebounder, defensively it may be a wash as both are very good at taking charges.  The real difference is what is between the ears and I've just had enough of Baby's selfish cry-Baby ways.  He is not the classic Celtics player I had hoped for.  On the other hand, Leon provides exactly what the team needs and will be happy as a role player.

Again, 2009 Powe, absolutely.  However, the 2011 Powe was barely an NBA player, while Davis is a quality rotation player, even with all his warts.  Unless Powe regains his explosiveness, then he simply is not anything more than a 12th man. 

However, as a 12th man, I would certainly give him a shot, with the hopes he will continue to improve a couple years post surgery, plus, just to have his personality in the lockerroom.  This team has lost a lot of the guys who gave them their personality the last few years (Posey, House, Powe, Scal, Perkins), so, if you have an extra roster spot at the end of the bench, that alone could give him the edge over other guys who wouldn't play.

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2011, 11:38:59 AM »

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powe doesn't make the rotation for any team, why would he even be close to a priority for us?  nice guy but why bother?

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2011, 11:51:49 AM »

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Danny Ainge love for Tweeners needs to end. Just say no to tweeners Danny Ainge. We need an intervention.
Yeah, why have tweeners when you can have Patrick O'Bryant. He's legit, man.

Yeah, I think people need to realize that Danny is not picking tweeners by choice.  He is getting them because they are more effective than guys who have better size, but are bad basketball players.

Guys who have prototypical size, and who are good players are very hard to come by.  They almost always come at a high cost of either cash, very high draft picks, or assets in a trade.  

However, you can find tweeners who are very productive role players, and can be had for a fraction of the cost, or as a late draft pick.  
Good point.  This is why Leon is "gettable".  Real centers don't grow on trees. 

Frankly I'd rather have Leon than Baby.  Both tweeners, Baby a bit better on offense, Leon the better rebounder, defensively it may be a wash as both are very good at taking charges.  The real difference is what is between the ears and I've just had enough of Baby's selfish cry-Baby ways.  He is not the classic Celtics player I had hoped for.  On the other hand, Leon provides exactly what the team needs and will be happy as a role player.

Again, 2009 Powe, absolutely.  However, the 2011 Powe was barely an NBA player, while Davis is a quality rotation player, even with all his warts.  Unless Powe regains his explosiveness, then he simply is not anything more than a 12th man. 

However, as a 12th man, I would certainly give him a shot, with the hopes he will continue to improve a couple years post surgery, plus, just to have his personality in the lockerroom.  This team has lost a lot of the guys who gave them their personality the last few years (Posey, House, Powe, Scal, Perkins), so, if you have an extra roster spot at the end of the bench, that alone could give him the edge over other guys who wouldn't play.
Fair enough, but I'm assuming Ainge/staff will do their due diligence on the guy before signing him.  Would Deandre Jordan be preferable?  Sure, but he's sitting pretty right now with youth and upside, and will have a lot of suitors.  Given the uncertainty around the CBA and the already commited contracts, I just think Leon could be the kind of player the C's could actually get.

Regarding Baby, I'm not impressed by the fact that he is a legit rotation player in this league.  The team often struggled with him on the floor.  He's not as good a shooter as he thinks he is, and he simply can't rebound due to his tRex arms and lack of spring in his legs.

Re: Leon Powe
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2011, 11:59:55 AM »

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Danny Ainge love for Tweeners needs to end. Just say no to tweeners Danny Ainge. We need an intervention.
Yeah, why have tweeners when you can have Patrick O'Bryant. He's legit, man.

Yeah, I think people need to realize that Danny is not picking tweeners by choice.  He is getting them because they are more effective than guys who have better size, but are bad basketball players.

Guys who have prototypical size, and who are good players are very hard to come by.  They almost always come at a high cost of either cash, very high draft picks, or assets in a trade.  

However, you can find tweeners who are very productive role players, and can be had for a fraction of the cost, or as a late draft pick.  
Good point.  This is why Leon is "gettable".  Real centers don't grow on trees. 

Frankly I'd rather have Leon than Baby.  Both tweeners, Baby a bit better on offense, Leon the better rebounder, defensively it may be a wash as both are very good at taking charges.  The real difference is what is between the ears and I've just had enough of Baby's selfish cry-Baby ways.  He is not the classic Celtics player I had hoped for.  On the other hand, Leon provides exactly what the team needs and will be happy as a role player.

Again, 2009 Powe, absolutely.  However, the 2011 Powe was barely an NBA player, while Davis is a quality rotation player, even with all his warts.  Unless Powe regains his explosiveness, then he simply is not anything more than a 12th man. 

However, as a 12th man, I would certainly give him a shot, with the hopes he will continue to improve a couple years post surgery, plus, just to have his personality in the lockerroom.  This team has lost a lot of the guys who gave them their personality the last few years (Posey, House, Powe, Scal, Perkins), so, if you have an extra roster spot at the end of the bench, that alone could give him the edge over other guys who wouldn't play.
Fair enough, but I'm assuming Ainge/staff will do their due diligence on the guy before signing him.  Would Deandre Jordan be preferable?  Sure, but he's sitting pretty right now with youth and upside, and will have a lot of suitors.  Given the uncertainty around the CBA and the already commited contracts, I just think Leon could be the kind of player the C's could actually get.

Regarding Baby, I'm not impressed by the fact that he is a legit rotation player in this league.  The team often struggled with him on the floor.  He's not as good a shooter as he thinks he is, and he simply can't rebound due to his tRex arms and lack of spring in his legs.

Well, those are different roles too.  Jordan would be picked up as the starting center.  Powe would be an energy PF guy/vet minimum type signing.

When you are looking at Powe, it would be more looking at him compared to guys like Davis, Reggie Evans, Carl Landry, etc. 

At that point, I think you can make the argument that Powe at the vet minimum may make more sense than giving one of those other guys 3-4 million per year.  Although I still think you cannot pick up Powe and expect anything out of him.  So, if they need someone to actually play regular minutes, they need to be spending the money for a Davis or Landry type.