Was the Perkins trade Auerbach'ish?

[ScoobyDoo]

1. 2016 will come sooner than we think.

2. Ainge may have rebuilt the Celtics into a contender by then without having used the Clipper's pick

3. Don't think he isn't looking at the projected strengths of of the 2015, 2016 and 2017 drafts -that's only 3-4 years away, about the time Rondo is rounding 30 and we'll need to be rebuilding or getting another chip to start rebuilding with.

4. What if the Clipper's, in usual fashion, have taken a nose dive?

5. What if there is a Kevin Durant type player coming out in 2016.

6. If not a franchise player, what if Ainge nabs an important piece of the Rondo lead team that can win rings?  

Just food for thought. I think even if we land a solid 11th or 12th pick to go along with Green, Ainge got great value.

Personally, I'd be keeping a close eye on the "happiness meter" of Blake Griffin and the Clipper's fortunes in general if I were Ainge and I might just hold onto that pick until 2016.        

[Roy H.]

I think we'll get the pick next season.  Still, it's projected to be a very good draft.

[wdleehi]

No.


His trades help win titles, not close windows.

[ScoobyDoo]

True that it cost us a title this year. But my hope is that while maybe we have missed a title this year, the combination of Green and a potential lottery pick from the clippers, combined with some Max contract players signed in the next 2-3 year might win us multiple titles.

That, in fact, would be like Auerbach. It meant Ainge saw the writing on the wall ( the true, legit window for the big three) so he made a move that could put us in a position to win future titles.

And don't get me wrong, Perkins is one of my all time favorite Celtics - but the writing is on the wall with this incarnation of the Celtics.

I think they have one more legit run at a title next year if Ainge puts the right bench together. But after that? it's time to start getting chips for Rondo - Green and the Clip's lottery pick are two of those chips to build with.

What if Ainge doesn't use the pick, the Clips nose dive and we get a franchise level guy in 2016 that brings us titles?

I didn't know next year was a good draft - who do you think Ainge might be looking to use it on Roy?

[Roy H.]

What if Ainge doesn't use the pick, the Clips nose dive and we get a franchise level guy in 2016 that brings us titles?

Just to clarify:  if the Clippers finish outside of the bottom 10, we *have* to take the pick; there's not an option to roll it over.

[ScoobyDoo]

I think it might be another piece that would fit well around Rondo and Dwight Howard

Howard
Clipper Pick
Pierce /Green
Our own pick /
Rondo / Bradley

I bring up Howard again because I think any GM that has a chance to line up for him would be remiss in his duties.

Howard and Rondo - with scoring at the 2,3 & 4 spots?
PF: who can hit the mid range jump shot - and defend
SF: who can run the floor like a gazelle
SG: Great shooter to spread the floor
PG: Rondo - with weapons on the floor

I can dream...

[ScoobyDoo]

Thanks for that heads up, didn't know that re having to take it.

Still if we land a good solid piece for out next team with the 11th-15th pick that will be very valuable for years to come.

Perkins became part of a championship team as the 27th pick...

[mgent]

1. 2016 will come sooner than we think.

2. Ainge may have rebuilt the Celtics into a contender by then without having used the Clipper's pick

3. Don't think he isn't looking at the projected strengths of of the 2015, 2016 and 2017 drafts -that's only 3-4 years away, about the time Rondo is rounding 30 and we'll need to be rebuilding or getting another chip to start rebuilding with.

4. What if the Clipper's, in usual fashion, have taken a nose dive?

5. What if there is a Kevin Durant type player coming out in 2016.

6. If not a franchise player, what if Ainge nabs an important piece of the Rondo lead team that can win rings? 

Just food for thought. I think even if we land a solid 11th or 12th pick to go along with Green, Ainge got great value.

Personally, I'd be keeping a close eye on the "happiness meter" of Blake Griffin and the Clipper's fortunes in general if I were Ainge and I might just hold onto that pick until 2016.       

How is a passive tweener, a soft Euro Center that can't rebound, defend, set screens, or bang inside, and a 11th or 12th pick "great value" compared to a championship this year?

[paulcowens]

Would Auerbach have kicked a championship opportunity NOW in the teeth, in order to  - maybe, if everything works out just right - win a championship some time in the future?

Um, no.  I think he would recognize that for raving folly.

[ScoobyDoo]

I didn't think Perkins guaranteed us anything. No more than anyone else did. To be honest I think keeping TA would have had more of an impact on our chances of winning a ring this year than keeping Perkins.

I'm looking ahead because the door on this Celtics team, as constructed, is clearly clsoing.

I'll take Green, Krstic and a Clipper's pick over a a soon to be 9 year veteran coming off major knee surgery.

I say this while stating that Perkins was one of my all time favorite Celtics.   

[BASS_THUMPER]

I didn't think Perkins guaranteed us anything. No more than anyone else did. To be honest I think keeping TA would have had more of an impact on our chances of winning a ring this year than keeping Perkins.

I'm looking ahead because the door on this Celtics team, as constructed, is clearly clsoing.

I'll take Green, Krstic and a Clipper's pick over a a soon to be 9 year veteran coming off major knee surgery.

I say this while stating that Perkins was one of my all time favorite Celtics.   

we lost against miami cuz we gave a solid bench away..tony allen was dependable

[2short]

I didn't think Perkins guaranteed us anything. No more than anyone else did. To be honest I think keeping TA would have had more of an impact on our chances of winning a ring this year than keeping Perkins.

I'm looking ahead because the door on this Celtics team, as constructed, is clearly clsoing.

I'll take Green, Krstic and a Clipper's pick over a a soon to be 9 year veteran coming off major knee surgery.

I say this while stating that Perkins was one of my all time favorite Celtics.   

tp
tony allen seems to have (maybe) finally gotten the bone head plays out of his system
the nba is turning into a fast game again (think 70's) with the dominating big men (shaq like) getting old and no new ones coming into the league
I still have a hard time thinking how perk would have done anything for our team this year, maybe chemistry was disrupted..kind of like saying scal did the intangibles..who knows
we got a 6'9" athletic small forward and a solid backup center in the deal, I hope both are resigned AND a draft pick
If pierce slide to 6th man role our top 8 players are really good.  I feel rondo makes everyone better and am excited with green having a full training camp under his belt to play with rondo.  Also watching perk (love ya) it seems to be like okc is going to be paying him top top dollar for what he is doing so far.  If he doubles his averages next season it still seems to be overpayment.  And before anyone tries to say his defense can't be seen in box score...he hasn't looked good on defense.  So is it red like? depends if we can resign green & krstic reasonably and what the pick turns into, if its a reggie lewis than its red like.  Oh and good cap space to go after a star free agent 

[ScoobyDoo]

Thanks 2short and TP back because I think you've hit it on the head in your reply. Also agreed BASS_THUMPER.

Look, when I heard we traded Perkins, my heart sank. I was really bummed. But...Quis went down and we needed something at the wing. Also, we were probably going to lose Perkins for nothing in the off season if we didn't move him.

Kendrick Perkins - 9 year Vet with major knew surgery, for:
Jeff Green - Athletic young SF
Nenad Krstic: Nice 2nd or 3rd string back up center
Clipper's 1st round pick: 11th -16th, most likely.

**But more now to what 2short said -

The door is closing on the big three and we need to get more athletic, and fast, NOW.

I think we will see that every draft pick Ainge makes and every trade he makes will be one that brings in players who:

1. Can fly up and down the court with Rondo

2. Can build a nice "home", well furnished and ready for Dwight Howard to sit at the head of the Celtic table and start banging with Chicago, Miami, NY, Indiana, OKC and Memphis for titles for the next 7-8 years.

I think that's what a good GM does.

And this is where I'm wondering if Ainge is operating like Red. He got KG by having the courage to trade for Ray first.

If he build attractive enough young team over the enxt two years and Howard perceives that he can put them over the top, does Boston look interesting to him? With Doc Rivers in place?

Or should he go to LA? with Kobe at 34 and Pau at 31? He'll be rebuilding for another 4 years...how is that attractive?

or do you follow in the foo steps of Bill Russell and hang your legacy in Boston?

If you build it, they will come.

[ScoobyDoo]

And...I know we may not get Howard. West didn't "know" he would get Shaq either. But, West put himself in position for Shaq and it worked out.

Something like 26 of the last 30 championship teams have had a superstar on them...who is ours for the next 10 years? I don't know but we need to get one to go with Rondo.

I think Ainge has to put himself in the running for Howard as plan A and then also have a plan B.

I can tell you this, if he can build enough around Rondo to make Boston attractive to Howard.

If you have Howard and Rondo in place, with Doc coaching - guys will be lining up to play in Boston.

[pearljammer10]

And...I know we may not get Howard. West didn't "know" he would get Shaq either. But, West put himself in position for Shaq and it worked out.

Something like 26 of the last 30 championship teams have had a superstar on them...who is ours for the next 10 years? I don't know but we need to get one to go with Rondo.

I think Ainge has to put himself in the running for Howard as plan A and then also have a plan B.

I can tell you this, if he can build enough around Rondo to make Boston attractive to Howard.

If you have Howard and Rondo in place, with Doc coaching - guys will be lining up to play in Boston.

Everyone said this after we landed 3 hall of famers in KG, Allen, and Pierce... I havent exactly seen many free agents line up to play here, they've gone where the money is, we certainly dont have enough of it.