State of the Celtics, on right now 7pm on Comcast Sports(Danny Ainge)

[MBunge]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Yeah but the whole fumbling the basketball and not holding onto passes during fast breaks during the Miami series was extremely unimpressive.

What does that then make Delonte, who made turnovers against Miami FAAAAAAAAAR worse than anything Green did?

Mike

[Mr October]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Yeah but the whole fumbling the basketball and not holding onto passes during fast breaks during the Miami series was extremely unimpressive.

What does that then make Delonte, who made turnovers against Miami FAAAAAAAAAR worse than anything Green did?

Mike

Not to mention that one-armed Rondo's passes were pretty sloppy.

Hopefully Green can be brought back for the right price. I'd like to see what he can do in 30 mpg and with a full training camp.

[ScoobyDoo]

I like Green, he's going to fit in much better with Rondo as Ainge transforms the team over the next 1-3 seasons.

Guy can fly on the break and like one poster said, it was so nice to see someone not only with Rondo on the break but ahead of him sometimes.

Green needs time - not in the NBA...in our system. Give him this summer, a full training camp and 1/2 of next season, then let's check back in.

I personally would start him and move Pierce to the bench, if he would do it, or to SG, with Ray off the bench.

If he doesn't start, I'd shoot for getting him 35+ minutes a night.

We need more athletes on the floor and I think Green will be a nice 3rd or 4th option from the SF spot on a rebuilt Celtics team moving forward that can win rings.

He's not a superstar but he can be a nice piece of the puzzle and he's Rondo's age.

[vinnie]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Yeah but the whole fumbling the basketball and not holding onto passes during fast breaks during the Miami series was extremely unimpressive.

What does that then make Delonte, who made turnovers against Miami FAAAAAAAAAR worse than anything Green did?

Mike

Re: Green's turnovers, from Kelly Dwyer's article:

"Green had a turnover rate of 16.5, which means that in all the possessions he used up (possessions that ended with him doing something tangible on a box score level, like taking a shot, getting to the line, creating an assist, or turning the ball over), he turned it over on 16.5 percent of those chances. Now, that wouldn't rank amongst the league's worst for stone-handed big men, but it's not far off. And amongst wings and/or perimeter players? That's pretty terrible."

[Marcus13]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Yeah but the whole fumbling the basketball and not holding onto passes during fast breaks during the Miami series was extremely unimpressive.

What does that then make Delonte, who made turnovers against Miami FAAAAAAAAAR worse than anything Green did?

Mike

Re: Green's turnovers, from Kelly Dwyer's article:

"Green had a turnover rate of 16.5, which means that in all the possessions he used up (possessions that ended with him doing something tangible on a box score level, like taking a shot, getting to the line, creating an assist, or turning the ball over), he turned it over on 16.5 percent of those chances. Now, that wouldn't rank amongst the league's worst for stone-handed big men, but it's not far off. And amongst wings and/or perimeter players? That's pretty terrible."

Don't post facts!!  Danny's always right and...and...and Jeff Green's going to make you sorry for doubting him NEXT YEAR!...yeah, that's it!

[illestmcsgt]

Is it really fair to point the finger at a player who came mid-season by a trade? He played on a team where Durant held the ball most of the time in OKC. I think you all need to blame the team as a whole instead of just one player. Glen Davis, Jeff Green, and whoever else is not the reason we lost. Celtics lost as a team not because of one individual.

I like Jeff Green and I believe he has a bright future on the C's. Also he is still young and has a chance to learn from the Big 3 before they retire.

[radiohead]

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Perhaps, but Perk declined their best offer so why not get something in return knowing you were winning games with Shaq starting and Davis finishing?

Fine.  So wait until the season is over to get rid of your STARTING CENTER.  And please, Shaq me no Shaq.  For Ainge to say that Shaq was gonna save us was pure smokescreen.  He knew we'd be lucky to get anything from Shaq the rest of the way.   Neither Shaq nor JO was brought in to replace Perk, so how did they suddenly become his replacement in Ainge's mind?  Answer?  They didn't.   He's not stupid.  He knew as well as we did that neither of them suddenly became five years younger just because Danny decided to make a hideously reckless trade.

If Danny did that, then there would have been a huge possibility that we would lose Perk to free agency and not get anything in return. With the trade, at least we get Jeff Green. I personally didn't like the trade, but I understood Danny's logic behind doing it.

[BballTim]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Yeah but the whole fumbling the basketball and not holding onto passes during fast breaks during the Miami series was extremely unimpressive.

What does that then make Delonte, who made turnovers against Miami FAAAAAAAAAR worse than anything Green did?

Mike

Re: Green's turnovers, from Kelly Dwyer's article:

"Green had a turnover rate of 16.5, which means that in all the possessions he used up (possessions that ended with him doing something tangible on a box score level, like taking a shot, getting to the line, creating an assist, or turning the ball over), he turned it over on 16.5 percent of those chances. Now, that wouldn't rank amongst the league's worst for stone-handed big men, but it's not far off. And amongst wings and/or perimeter players? That's pretty terrible."

  Fairly small sample size. Green was far from a turnover machine this year.

[blackberry33]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Yeah but the whole fumbling the basketball and not holding onto passes during fast breaks during the Miami series was extremely unimpressive.

What does that then make Delonte, who made turnovers against Miami FAAAAAAAAAR worse than anything Green did?

Mike

Re: Green's turnovers, from Kelly Dwyer's article:

"Green had a turnover rate of 16.5, which means that in all the possessions he used up (possessions that ended with him doing something tangible on a box score level, like taking a shot, getting to the line, creating an assist, or turning the ball over), he turned it over on 16.5 percent of those chances. Now, that wouldn't rank amongst the league's worst for stone-handed big men, but it's not far off. And amongst wings and/or perimeter players? That's pretty terrible."

  Fairly small sample size. Green was far from a turnover machine this year.


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[vinnie]

Jeff Green leads the NBA in the category of "reasons/excuses/explanations why he has not been as successful as everyone thought he would be given the fact that he was a #5 pick in the draft."

[JohnBagleyValueMeal]

The KD post is good because it explicitly says Jeff Green's not a *bad* player, he's totally decent--but people like Danny Ainge (and some of the people on this thread) are manipulating the facts to make him seem like he's a lot better than he is.

Yes, he was put in a tough situation and the sample size is small, blah blah blah...but that doesn't mean you should ignore or obscure his turnover numbers in order to say he was the most efficient offensive player on the team.

I get the feeling that a lot of people either want to say he's either great or he's totally awful, which isn't really moving the discussion anywhere.

[nickagneta]

Jeff Green leads the NBA in the category of "reasons/excuses/explanations why he has not been as successful as everyone thought he would be given the fact that he was a #5 pick in the draft."

Wow. I thought that category was owned by Yi Jianlian.


Also, I don't anyone is blaming anything on Jeff Green. I think people, like me, are pointing out that although athletic, there are some serious flaws in his game. His TO% in these playoffs was ridiculously high and 9 games at 20 minutes per game isn't that small a sample size. It is only a 33% increase in his career TO% which one might attribute to playing a great defensive team in the Heat and the fact that Green might not be a player that performs well under pressure(see his last game at Georgetown in the NCAA tourney). Another fact that points to this are his career playoff shooting percentages versus those of regular season. Jeff Green might not be someone that can handle the playoff or pressure cooker limelight.

[Rondo2287]

Jeff Green leads the NBA in the category of "reasons/excuses/explanations why he has not been as successful as everyone thought he would be given the fact that he was a #5 pick in the draft."

Wow. I thought that category was owned by Yi Jianlian.


Also, I don't anyone is blaming anything on Jeff Green. I think people, like me, are pointing out that although athletic, there are some serious flaws in his game. His TO% in these playoffs was ridiculously high and 9 games at 20 minutes per game isn't that small a sample size. It is only a 33% increase in his career TO% which one might attribute to playing a great defensive team in the Heat and the fact that Green might not be a player that performs well under pressure(see his last game at Georgetown in the NCAA tourney). Another fact that points to this are his career playoff shooting percentages versus those of regular season. Jeff Green might not be someone that can handle the playoff or pressure cooker limelight.

I would also put Oden above Green, Green gets on the floor at least

[BballTim]

Jeff Green leads the NBA in the category of "reasons/excuses/explanations why he has not been as successful as everyone thought he would be given the fact that he was a #5 pick in the draft."

  I think you might want to look at other top draft picks and rethink that.

[ScoobyDoo]

With a full training camp, starters minutes and with Rondo on the break, I think Green can be a 20+ scorer for us and a 6-8 rebound a night guy.

I also think that because he has the athleticism and he'll be playing under Doc - he will turn into a much better defender by the end of next season. He already started showing signs of this in the Miami series. His defense got noticeably better . He did some nice work on both Melo and LeBron.

I like coming.