2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[Roy H.]

Aside my defense, I think my team's biggest strength is that there's not going to be a chemistry issue. Each of these players have been leaders who have willingly shared the spotlight with players on all-time levels on their teams and have carried teams with inferior talent to substantial success. I really think these players would enjoy playing with each other and they have the right mental make-up to beat teams that might seem better on paper.

Well, so long as Pippen isn't asked to be a decoy on your final play.

Actually, though, weren't there pretty huge chemistry issues on that Hakeem/Pippen/Barkley Rockets team?

I honestly don't remember if there were issues between Hakeem, Barkley and Clyde but when Hakeem retired Barkley went so far as to call him honorable and Hakeem and Drexler go way back so if there were issues I'd guess it was between Barkley and Drexler.

You misread me.  It was the Hakeem-Barkley-Pippen team that had major chemistry issues, not the one with Glide.  Adding Pippen to that team killed the chemistry (although Pippen blamed Barkley).

Link, among other places.

[KCattheStripe]

Aside my defense, I think my team's biggest strength is that there's not going to be a chemistry issue. Each of these players have been leaders who have willingly shared the spotlight with players on all-time levels on their teams and have carried teams with inferior talent to substantial success. I really think these players would enjoy playing with each other and they have the right mental make-up to beat teams that might seem better on paper.

Well, so long as Pippen isn't asked to be a decoy on your final play.

Actually, though, weren't there pretty huge chemistry issues on that Hakeem/Pippen/Barkley Rockets team?

I honestly don't remember if there were issues between Hakeem, Barkley and Clyde but when Hakeem retired Barkley went so far as to call him honorable and Hakeem and Drexler go way back so if there were issues I'd guess it was between Barkley and Drexler.

You misread me.  It was the Hakeem-Barkley-Pippen team that had major chemistry issues, not the one with Glide.  Adding Pippen to that team killed the chemistry.

Oops, again, I don't know. But I wonder how much that had to do with all three of them on the decline and doing a little research it seems the issue had more to do with Pippen and Barkley (predictably) and Hakeem being just too over the hill to dominate and get the team winning to refocus them.

But I think my team has more team focused players that are comfortable playing roles and will allow Scottie to take more spotlight because they don't need it or care about it. That'll help keep the crazy down.

Plus, Phil knows how to keep Scottie motivated and focused.

[barefacedmonk]

Speaking of team chemistry, didn't Pierce spit on LeBron? Will they get along?

[Roy H.]

But I wonder how much that had to do with all three of them on the decline and doing a little research it seems the issue had more to do with Pippen and Barkley (predictably) and Hakeem being just too over the hill to dominate and get the team winning to refocus them.

Yeah, that team was one of my bigger disappointments as a fan.  Barkley was always my favorite non-Celtic player (warts and all), and it was tough seeing him not get a ring.  Here's the money quote:

'For him to want to leave after one year, it disappointed me greatly,'' Barkley said last week, responding to Pippen's hint that he wanted to play for the former Bulls coach Phil Jackson in Los Angeles.

Pippen went on the offensive, and then some. ''I probably should've listened to Michael a year ago when he said that Charles will never win a championship because he doesn't show any dedication,'' Pippen said in an ESPN interview. ''He's a very selfish guy. He doesn't show the desire to want to win. That's my reason for wanting to get away from playing with him, because he just doesn't show the dedication.''

Asked if he would apologize to Barkley for asking out of Houston, Pippen said: ''I wouldn't give Charles Barkley an apology at gunpoint. He can never expect an apology from me. If anything, he owes me an apology for coming to play with his sorry fat butt.''

I really don't like Scottie Pippen as a human being very much.  At the same time, there's no denying that he could play, and he, MJ, and Rodman (all three strong personalities) got along fine on the court in Chicago.

[KCattheStripe]

But I wonder how much that had to do with all three of them on the decline and doing a little research it seems the issue had more to do with Pippen and Barkley (predictably) and Hakeem being just too over the hill to dominate and get the team winning to refocus them.

Yeah, that team was one of my bigger disappointments as a fan.  Barkley was always my favorite non-Celtic player (warts and all), and it was tough seeing him not get a ring.  Here's the money quote:

'For him to want to leave after one year, it disappointed me greatly,'' Barkley said last week, responding to Pippen's hint that he wanted to play for the former Bulls coach Phil Jackson in Los Angeles.

Pippen went on the offensive, and then some. ''I probably should've listened to Michael a year ago when he said that Charles will never win a championship because he doesn't show any dedication,'' Pippen said in an ESPN interview. ''He's a very selfish guy. He doesn't show the desire to want to win. That's my reason for wanting to get away from playing with him, because he just doesn't show the dedication.''

Asked if he would apologize to Barkley for asking out of Houston, Pippen said: ''I wouldn't give Charles Barkley an apology at gunpoint. He can never expect an apology from me. If anything, he owes me an apology for coming to play with his sorry fat butt.''

I really don't like Scottie Pippen as a human being very much.  At the same time, there's no denying that he could play, and he, MJ, and Rodman (all three strong personalities) got along fine on the court in Chicago.

Yeah, this and the Kucoc incident make me think that Scottie is fine in an environment where he is clearly the second best player on the team ( Like the Bulls and My team) but if there's any question, he freaks out.

[mgent]

Aside my defense, I think my team's biggest strength is that there's not going to be a chemistry issue. Each of these players have been leaders who have willingly shared the spotlight with players on all-time levels on their teams and have carried teams with inferior talent to substantial success. I really think these players would enjoy playing with each other and they have the right mental make-up to beat teams that might seem better on paper.

I agree.  Theoretically, Dallas, Miami, Atlanta, Boston, and Memphis are all gonna have chemistry issues based on their players' personalities.

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with your defense.  I just have some reservations about your front-court combination.  I don't think any of them compliment the others that well.

see I totally disagree. Paul is unselfish. Pierce, lebron, and pierce have all shared the spot light with other hall of famers no issue with chemistry at all.

Who's gonna play PG for you, because LeBron and CP3 have never gone without the ball for longer than a minute.  Then you've got younger Pierce, who was a master at creating his OWN shot.

One thing I love about your team though is that Pierce and LeBron are probably the 2 best guys in the past decade at getting to the line.  I see a lot of foul trouble for your opponents.

I don't forsee any trouble at all.  I mean Wade and Lebron are both players that thrive with the ball in their hand and it seems to be working just fine for Miami.  Pierce didn't have any trouble letting Rondo run things.  Paul averaged 11 assists (and was at 11.6 the year before).  That doesn't strike me as a player who has to have the ball in his hand.  I mean Paul is essentially a much better shooting version of Rajon Rondo. 

I plan on running the high pick and role and doing a lot of drive and dish.  It is the perfect set up for this team with Moses hanging out down low and McAdoo set up at the foul line extended.  I designed the team around Lebron and got the players that will not have any issue playing with Lebron.

LeBron is still playing the point though.  Wade isn't a PG, well maybe he is when LeBron is on the bench, but he's not even close to the PG that Paul is.  LeBron has never been forced to play off the ball the entire game, when he tried to at the beginning of the year Miami sucked.  They started playing good when he went back to LeBron ball like he played all his life.

Also Chris Paul isn't nearly the distributor Rondo is.  He gets his assists from looking for his shot his own shot on the pick and roll and then hitting David West or Okafor when the double comes.  That's not gonna happen if you're running the pick and roll with LeBron, and I'm not sure if Mcadoo and Malone provide enough spacing for that to even be possible.

Finally, yeah Pierce got along fine with Ray and KG, but you've got to realize that they are the PERFECT compliments to his game.  There's no way you can compare them to 2 ball-dominate slashers.

[RebusRankin]

How well did Phil handle Scottie in the 94 playoffs?

[KCattheStripe]

How well did Phil handle Scottie in the 94 playoffs?

If you handle a head case 9 out of 10 times, then you've done your job well.

[RebusRankin]

How well did Phil handle Scottie in the 94 playoffs?

If you handle a head case 9 out of 10 times, then you've done your job well.

Touche.

Jason Kidd has issues early on too in Dallas with teammates. 

[KCattheStripe]

How well did Phil handle Scottie in the 94 playoffs?

If you handle a head case 9 out of 10 times, then you've done your job well.

Touche.

Jason Kidd has issues early on too in Dallas with teammates. 

Well it's a good thing I'm not selecting a year that KIdd was on the Mavericks. 

[RebusRankin]

Hey, I might just keep saying I have Wilt. I have Wilt.

[KCattheStripe]

Hey, I might just keep saying I have Wilt. I have Wilt.

I'll say this about Hakeem, he sure did like stepping up and shutting big name centers down. 

[Bahku]

Still three coaches to be selected ... Rondo2287 is up! (Nudge, nudge - wink, wink).

I'm excited to see who will be coaching the fast-break team of the century, (that's the Sixers, in case you were wondering). We may not be the favorite or the biggest at the moment, but we're gonna run everyone else right off the court!



1. Memphis Grizzlies - Moranis: Red Auerbach

2. Boston Celtics - 33-00-32: Chuck Daly

3. Denver Nuggets - mgent: Bill Russell

4. Los Angeles Lakers - GreenFaith1819: Doc Rivers

5. Chicago Bulls - nickagneta: Pat Riley

6. Oklahoma City Thunder - KCattheStripe: Phil Jackson

7. Miami Heat - Rebus Rankin: Alex Hannum

8. Atlanta Hawks - WeMadeIt17: Don Nelson

9. Indiana Pacers - StartOrien: Rudy Tomjanovich

10. Dallas Mavericks - Rondo2287

11. Portland Trail Blazers - Redz

12. Philadelphia 76ers - Bahku

[KCattheStripe]

Let's draft!

[RebusRankin]

Ready for tomorrow with some shocking picks.