My idea of improving/re-shuffling the Celtics

[Roy H.]

There's only so much a great bench can do when you fall behind every game, like this plan guarantees. There's a reason starters start the game: they're better players, and bring the best chance of winning.

Seriously, by running out a young, scrub lineup to start the game against, say, Miami, we'd be down 15 midway through the first.

[OsirusCeltics]

I think the Big 3 maybe aren't young enough to carry a team anymore.

I think they should start Rondo (If he's not traded anyway) and Jeff Green should start, while the Big 3 come off the bench. Then the 2,4,5 positions would come from signing younger players who can make an impact

And that problem this team had with bench scoring? It would be solved. The Big 3 have the advantage of playing way less minutes. Have the skills to score in bunches, which makes them the best bench in the league. Delonte stays also

The rest of the team (Big Baby, Kristic, JO, Wafer, Arroy, Murphy) should all be used as trade chips to get impact players to fill out the starting lineup

Whose with me? lol

good idea its actually best for the team but we be better off with ray and paul coming off the bench and having a solid back up for kg.... but we are still in need of iguodala..
Rondo
Iggy
Green
Kg
Deandre jordan

Bench...

West
Ray
Pierce
Blank
Blank

We are in need of some bigmen

Yes this is a pefect lineup I would love Iguodala and Jordan on our team. And Iguodala is so versatile. Can even be the point foward and create a big lineup. I wouldn't pick the Celtics to win a title if they made this trade

[OsirusCeltics]

There's only so much a great bench can do when you fall behind every game, like this plan guarantees. There's a reason starters start the game: they're better players, and bring the best chance of winning.

Seriously, by running out a young, scrub lineup to start the game against, say, Miami, we'd be down 15 midway through the first.

Yeah totally.
I just want the Celtics to trade everyone (except the Big 4, Delonte, and Jeff Green) and use those pieces to get valuable players

[SHAQATTACK]

Heat and NY have loaded their teams with star starters. Our scrubbs are no more than fodder for these big guns.

Its war now .... they struck us hard with multiple YOUNG stars , killed our run

Time for Celtic Counterstrike

That means HIRING our own Dynamic Duo .
 Superman and CP3 ROBIN

[mc34]

The idea of Jeff Green starting makes sense on paper, and roll with it for maybe 10 or so games to see if he starts playing like the player we wanted to see this year... But I feel like it would hurt the identity of the team would be hurt with that. Sounds silly, but little things like that can make a difference (see: Perk).

Can you imagine pre-game intros without "the captain aaaaand the Truth, Paul Pierce!" Doesn't seem right.

[MBz]

I think KG should do something that he doesn't want to do but in my view would help the team and move to the 5.  You move Green in at 4 and the leave the other three positions the same, then do some work on the bench.

You will never get anywhere with that starting 5- it's leaving too much pressure on KG to rebound- which he is terrible at.

  I don't think I'd really describe KG as a terrible rebounder.

Agreed.  I don't want him playing the 5 though.  When he was in Minnesota sure, but he doesn't have the ability to play inside enough to play the 5 anymore.  All he wants to do is shoot 18 foot jumpers, we need inside scoring out of the center position.

[BballTim]

I think KG should do something that he doesn't want to do but in my view would help the team and move to the 5.  You move Green in at 4 and the leave the other three positions the same, then do some work on the bench.

You will never get anywhere with that starting 5- it's leaving too much pressure on KG to rebound- which he is terrible at.

  I don't think I'd really describe KG as a terrible rebounder.

Agreed.  I don't want him playing the 5 though.  When he was in Minnesota sure, but he doesn't have the ability to play inside enough to play the 5 anymore.  All he wants to do is shoot 18 foot jumpers, we need inside scoring out of the center position.

  I think that he could do it, and he could also play on the perimeter some of the time. It would make Danny's job a lot easier if KG could make the switch because instead of needing a center he could bring in either a center of pf.

[clover]

The idea of Jeff Green starting makes sense on paper, and roll with it for maybe 10 or so games to see if he starts playing like the player we wanted to see this year... But I feel like it would hurt the identity of the team would be hurt with that. Sounds silly, but little things like that can make a difference (see: Perk).

Can you imagine pre-game intros without "the captain aaaaand the Truth, Paul Pierce!" Doesn't seem right.

Nah, Pierce fans would make a ritual of giving him a first-man-off-the-bench welcome like a 6th man has never been welcomed before.  Instant energy jolt when the reserves start to come in.

[clover]

I think KG should do something that he doesn't want to do but in my view would help the team and move to the 5.  You move Green in at 4 and the leave the other three positions the same, then do some work on the bench.

Frankly, this is the only proposal on this thread that makes any sense.  I just can't see ALL the vets going to the bench, just won't happen.  Anyway, putting Green in gives you good talent at every position, but small up front.  This lineup could be used in certain cases, but hard to imagine as a starting lineup.

KG and Green is too underpowered a lineup against most if not all teams' starters.  We need JO back and starting for one more year and an MLE or one of the Big Three traded to get us another serviceable 4.  And yes, if Baby is too cheap, we're stuck with him in that role for another year--while Danny targets another center instead.

[clover]

There's only so much a great bench can do when you fall behind every game, like this plan guarantees. There's a reason starters start the game: they're better players, and bring the best chance of winning.

Seriously, by running out a young, scrub lineup to start the game against, say, Miami, we'd be down 15 midway through the first.

The answer is neither to fossilize the Big Three into the starting lineup for next year, nor to ditch them all at once.  Depending on how much Danny could get, I'd be okay with one of them traded and up to one of them on the bench, at most.

[winsomme]

There's only so much a great bench can do when you fall behind every game, like this plan guarantees. There's a reason starters start the game: they're better players, and bring the best chance of winning.

Seriously, by running out a young, scrub lineup to start the game against, say, Miami, we'd be down 15 midway through the first.

yeah. there's really no way to add three starters to this roster to play with Green and Rondo so that the Big 3 could come off the bench (aside from the fact that I wouldn't support that anyway).

how would we acquire/sign three starters?

Some have talked about a long range plan in which we sign DH as a FA and then potentially re-sign Ray and KG after their current contracts are up and that is certainly an interesting proposition, but our situation now is quite different.

We have one more season with this current core for sure...The question for me is how do we best make a run for that season .

I see two big problems for Danny in this regard.

1. We don't have a starting center and they are very hard to come by.

2. Jeff Green (the central piece of the Perk trade) did nothing to either increase (or sustain) his trade value or make it clear how he could be a more effective piece of this team in a Title run.

As far as #1 is concerned, the best chance I think we have of getting a really solid starting center would be to trade Jeff Green. but like I point out in #2, I'm not really sure where his trade value is right now given his struggles with the Cs.

The best case scenario would be getting someone like DeAndre Jordan and be able to keep Green. But that doesn't seem possible at this point.

If Danny were able to pull something like that off and Green could have a stellar offseason with Doc and the Big 3 and Rondo..etc...then maybe they could figure some kind of rotation or schemes that would move Green into a 30-35 mpg role where he could have a major impact of taking the scoring burden away from the Big 3 and then we'd also have the defensive-minded legit center that is essential for our defensive program to work.

a top 6 of:

Rondo
Ray
Paul
KG
DeAndre Jordan (or a center of this caliber)
Jeff Green

would go a long way to making a Title run next season IMO. It would give us our center that we desperately need and also give the coaching staff one more chance to try and tap into Green's vast potential.

then the rest of our bench doesn't look that bad: DWest, Wafer, Baby, JO, etc....

[LooseCannon]

If moving at least one of the Big Three out of the starting lineup isn't the answer, then the other option is to not have all three of them in the lineup at the end of the fourth quarter.

Or there is no answer and the best choice is just to ride this team to its natural expiration date one year from now and try to avoid making a trade for the sake of a trade and being like Otis Smith trading for Turkoglu and Arenas.

[2short]

Depends on resigning guys/retiring...i'm thinking shaq is done, we'll figure it with kg returning

trade ray, sorry love you, classy guy but we can move him to a contender and get good value, either for draft picks and a lesser sg or some good package
sign and trade davis or just let him leave unubuntu  

starting lineup
rondo
sg to be named, maybe just alockdown defender who can hit 3's
green
kg
jermaine

Pierce becomes manu east, coming off bench in sf/sg, plays nearly the same minutes continues to be incredibly efficient and green gets starters time, paul wins 6th man easily
krstic resign, i like his passing & shooting, offensive rebounds just needs to get d down
delonte combo guard off the bench
von wafer, yep i'd like to see a bigger role for him, picked on him a lot but by the end of year he impressed
bradley is with us, next year he needs to show nba readiness or he's packaged in trade, give him time in both guard spots, the backcourt of he and rondo is crazy scary on defense
we have the draft pick from perk trade, its pf or sg unless some incredible talent falls into our hands, ainge has done a great job w/ picks in 2nd round, this will be highest pick since rondo ? i think
with our team of vets i think a smart rookie could step right in
guy that i'd like to see is lasme? he missed the cut but I think he can add energy and defense as near end of bench guy

[OsirusCeltics]

Depends on resigning guys/retiring...i'm thinking shaq is done, we'll figure it with kg returning

trade ray, sorry love you, classy guy but we can move him to a contender and get good value, either for draft picks and a lesser sg or some good package
sign and trade davis or just let him leave unubuntu  

starting lineup
rondo
sg to be named, maybe just alockdown defender who can hit 3's
green
kg
jermaine

Pierce becomes manu east, coming off bench in sf/sg, plays nearly the same minutes continues to be incredibly efficient and green gets starters time, paul wins 6th man easily
krstic resign, i like his passing & shooting, offensive rebounds just needs to get d down
delonte combo guard off the bench
von wafer, yep i'd like to see a bigger role for him, picked on him a lot but by the end of year he impressed
bradley is with us, next year he needs to show nba readiness or he's packaged in trade, give him time in both guard spots, the backcourt of he and rondo is crazy scary on defense
we have the draft pick from perk trade, its pf or sg unless some incredible talent falls into our hands, ainge has done a great job w/ picks in 2nd round, this will be highest pick since rondo ? i think
with our team of vets i think a smart rookie could step right in
guy that i'd like to see is lasme? he missed the cut but I think he can add energy and defense as near end of bench guy

Wow exactly my thinking
Lasme and Bradely should really get a chance. Celtics can't keep depending on the Big 3 for heavy minutes

And yeah, it may seem sad and harsh but Ray getting traded would give the Celtics so much value in return. And can even net us Deandre Jordan