If Okafor is the Cost, Do you Do it for Paul?

[Lucky17]

In a heart beat.


It just means that the Celtics need to trade KG as a way to get another offensive star.

Paul, Ray, Pierce, KG, and Okafor is a starting lineup with plenty of offense, no?

For a year, yes.


But for this trade to work, I think Ray would be included to make numbers work.


In the future, they need a younger offensive player.  Draft and FA is probably out of the question. 

I broke down the numbers (see my post above). Ray does not need to be included.

Ainge would still have the MLE to add a bench scorer (Jamal Crawford?), plus the LLE (a journeyman big). Bradley, resigned Delonte, a rookie, and vet minimums to round out the roster.

[JSD]

In a heart beat.


It just means that the Celtics need to trade KG as a way to get another offensive star.

Paul, Ray, Pierce, KG, and Okafor is a starting lineup with plenty of offense, no?

For a year, yes.


But for this trade to work, I think Ray would be included to make numbers work.


In the future, they need a younger offensive player.  Draft and FA is probably out of the question.  

I broke down the numbers (see my post above). Ray does not need to be included.

Ainge would still have the MLE to add a bench scorer (Jamal Crawford?), plus the LLE (a journeyman big). Bradley, resigned Delonte, a rookie, and vet minimums to round out the roster.

What about BBD in a S&T? That could make up some of the difference anyway.

[wdleehi]

In a heart beat.


It just means that the Celtics need to trade KG as a way to get another offensive star.

Paul, Ray, Pierce, KG, and Okafor is a starting lineup with plenty of offense, no?

For a year, yes.


But for this trade to work, I think Ray would be included to make numbers work.


In the future, they need a younger offensive player.  Draft and FA is probably out of the question. 

I broke down the numbers (see my post above). Ray does not need to be included.

Ainge would still have the MLE to add a bench scorer (Jamal Crawford?), plus the LLE (a journeyman big). Bradley, resigned Delonte, a rookie, and vet minimums to round out the roster.

I posted an idea earlier about Rondo, Ray and JO for Paul and Okafor.




Follow up, Okafor, Green (sign and trade), Clip pick and Celt pick for Howard and cap filler.  

[Who]

I have changed my mind.

I didn't like the trade from a rebuilding standpoint but it's very good from a "win-today and let tomorrow be what it'll be" standpoint ... so long as none of the Big Three are included in the deal.

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Chris Paul + Emeka Okafor vs Steve Nash + Marcin Gortat

I was thinking about it in terms of rebuilding in 2012 and beyond, and, I hate the trade from that viewpoint ... but it does provide a much improved shot at a title next year and if it gives the team a strong enough shot at a title (which is the most important question in my mind as to whether this trade is worthwhile or not), it's worth sacrificing the future.

Plus, you would get to keep Chris Paul (over a soon to retire Steve Nash) and have a franchise player, about 29/30 years old, when you are finally able to start building another contender in 2014 after Paul Pierce's and Emeka Okafor's contracts expire.

Like the Nash deal, I am not sure if I'd do it ... but it's definitely worth strong consideration.

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For rebuilding, I still think Rondo + cap space > C.Paul + Okafor

I very much dislike the salary situation with Paul, Pierce and Okafor tying up all the C's cap space until 2014.

I think Rondo's cheaper deal + cap room offers a much better chance of building a contender in the near future.

[pearljammer10]

Not a chance.

[wdleehi]

I have changed my mind.

I didn't like the trade from a rebuilding standpoint but it's very good from a "win-today and let tomorrow be what it'll be" standpoint ... so long as none of the Big Three are included in the deal.

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Chris Paul + Emeka Okafor vs Steve Nash + Marcin Gortat

I was thinking about it in terms of rebuilding in 2012 and beyond, and, I hate the trade from that viewpoint ... but it does provide a much improved shot at a title next year and if it gives the team a strong enough shot at a title (which is the most important question in my mind as to whether this trade is worthwhile or not), it's worth sacrificing the future.

Plus, you would get to keep Chris Paul (over a soon to retire Steve Nash) and have a franchise player, about 29/30 years old, when you are finally able to start building another contender in 2014 after Paul Pierce's and Emeka Okafor's contracts expire.

Like the Nash deal, I am not sure if I'd do it ... but it's definitely worth strong consideration.

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For rebuilding, I still think Rondo + cap space > C.Paul + Okafor

I very much dislike the salary situation with Paul, Pierce and Okafor tying up all the C's cap space until 2014.

I think Rondo's cheaper deal + cap room offers a much better chance of building a contender in the near future.

I disagree.


Someone will be willing to trade for Okafor.  Therefor, a three way trade is always an option to get someone else. 

[Chris]

Another thing to keep in mind when you are considering the 1 year rental part of this is the fact that one of the things ownership is fighting hard for in the new CBA is something to make it very beneficial for guys to resign with their own teams.  

Now, this might make NOH less likely to trade him, but if they do, this could help the C's have the upper hand on keeping him for the longterm if they can trade for him.  

[FrDrake]

If you can be sure of getting Chris Paul circa 08-09 where he racked up 22.8 pts, 11 asts, 5.5 rebs, 2.8 steals per game and shot 50% from the floor, you don't even blink at taking on Okafor.

If you're going to get Paul from this past season where he averaged 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 steals and shot 46% from the floor, I'm not sure you trade Rondo, Green and the Clippers pick straight up for him.

Mike

I not only agree that the C's shouldn't touch Paul with a 10 foot pole...but IMO they shouldn't sign him even if they got him as a FA and all he cost was cap space.  Paul's stats have been declining two years in a row (he was injured in 09-10)....

08-09: 23 PTs / 11.0 Ast / 50%FG
09-10: 19 PT / 10.7 Ast / 49%FG
10-11:  16 PTs / 9.8 Ast / 46%FG

...AND THE GUY RECENTLY HAD HIS MENISCUS REMOVED FROM HIS KNEE.  This article shows the guy is very likely headed for more knee surgeries down the road.  They invoke names like Penny Hardaway and Chris Webber when discussing the injury.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/354816-knee-issues-could-potentially-hinder-future-of-nba-all-star-paul

Why would we want to give up Rondo, #1 picks, Jeff Green for a guy who in a few years could be coming off someone's bench at $15 mil per year a la Brandon Roy?

[StartOrien]

Bleacher Report. Yikes.

[FrDrake]

Bleacher Report. Yikes.

Are you suggesting that the Chris Paul does have a meniscus in his knee?  Cuz if you are, you are wrong.

[StartOrien]

Bleacher Report. Yikes.

Are you suggesting that the Chris Paul does have a meniscus in his knee?  Cuz if you are, you are wrong.

Easy, buddy. I'm stating that I generally don't enjoy the writing going on Bleacher Report. Particularly when they're referencing injuries from over fifteen years ago.

[Marcus13]

Yes.  Absolutely.

If we can get Okafor in here next to KG, I think he'll become a very good defender

[FrDrake]

Bleacher Report. Yikes.

Are you suggesting that the Chris Paul does have a meniscus in his knee?  Cuz if you are, you are wrong.

Easy, buddy. I'm stating that I genuinely don't enjoy the writing going on Bleacher Report. Particularly when they're referencing injuries from over fifteen years ago.

"Easy buddy?"  how is that contributing in any way to this thread?  Focus on the content not the personalities.

[StartOrien]

Bleacher Report. Yikes.

Are you suggesting that the Chris Paul does have a meniscus in his knee?  Cuz if you are, you are wrong.

Easy, buddy. I'm stating that I genuinely don't enjoy the writing going on Bleacher Report. Particularly when they're referencing injuries from over fifteen years ago.

"Easy buddy?"  how is that contributing in any way to this thread?  Focus on the content not the personalities.

It's contributing by asking you not to be so oddly confrontational and then quickly explaining why I didn't like the link that you provided.

Again, I generally don't like the writing going on there and didn't care for that article. I'm not disputing that Chris Paul has had some issues with his knee, I'm disputing the validity of reading the article.

[jdub1660]

Just a thought, since we're talking about a Paul/Rondo swap


CP3(16.3),Okafor(12.5),Landry(5-6) and Joe Alexander(min) for

Rondo(10),Green(7-8),BBD(5-6), JO(6.2) and Clippers pick

Celtics die hard fans, see the talent in this idea and understand Davis is gone, and Green wants to be a starter(NEVER going to happen with Paul and KG here) I LOVE Rondo, but we won't get DH or any superstar with just Rondo and the Big 3 in the last years of their careers

Our starting unit becomes the most talented in the league by far(Cp3,Ray,Pierce,KG,Okafor) and Landry can play starter minutes off the bench. Alexander becomes the project off the bench. Keep Wafer,West and Kristic to solidify our 2nd unit. Shaq retires(along with JO) and we use the MidLvlEx(if there is one) to get a SG/SF(Battier,Redd,JHoward)