If Okafor is the Cost, Do you Do it for Paul?

[Lucky17]

You can include JO and Shaq (assuming he exercises his option) as contract filler.

With Rondo's contract next year, they'd combine for $17.6 mil in salary.

The initial year on Green's new contract would need to be around $6 mil for the numbers to work, if my math is correct.

[Chris]

Absolutely.  Okafor is a very underrated player, and he would be a great compliment to KG.  Obviously, he is a bit overpaid, but he is not making much more than the going rate for centers of his skill level.  

Obviously, I wouldn't trade for him if we weren't getting Paul as well, but he adds enough to make it worthwhile to take him in order to get Paul in green.

[Evantime34]

You can include JO and Shaq (assuming he exercises his option) as contract filler.

The initial year on Green's new contract would still need to be fairly high.

Why would Green agree to play for NO? Why would NO be willing to sign him to that big of a contract? I believe that players in sign and trades have to be for at least 3 years, if this information is correct why would NO who is looking to shed payroll agree to sign him to big money for three years?

Shaq only makes the vet min.

[Lucky17]

You can include JO and Shaq (assuming he exercises his option) as contract filler.

The initial year on Green's new contract would still need to be fairly high.

Why would Green agree to play for NO? Why would NO be willing to sign him to that big of a contract? I believe that players in sign and trades have to be for at least 3 years, if this information is correct why would NO who is looking to shed payroll agree to sign him to big money for three years?

Shaq only makes the vet min.

I edited my post to break down the numbers. Green's first year for his new contract would only need to be $6 mil.

Rondo, Green (S&T), filler (JO and Shaq), and the Clippers' pick for Paul and Okafor should work, numbers-wise.

[MBunge]

If you can be sure of getting Chris Paul circa 08-09 where he racked up 22.8 pts, 11 asts, 5.5 rebs, 2.8 steals per game and shot 50% from the floor, you don't even blink at taking on Okafor.

If you're going to get Paul from this past season where he averaged 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 steals and shot 46% from the floor, I'm not sure you trade Rondo, Green and the Clippers pick straight up for him.

Mike

[action781]

Not if it keeps us from getting DH. We are going to need Howard for us to be legit contenders again.

I know it's not certain, but DA has to put us in position to take a shot.

As you mentioned, getting Howard isn't only not certain; it's probably less than 50%.  So, you turn down getting Chris Paul (who can himself make a team a legit contender provided solid pieces around him), that way you can take a less than 50% chance at Dwight?  And then if we don't get him....  you're happy with Rondo as our "superstar"?

CP3 is just as big of a priority to go after as Dwight IMO.  The reason is neither team give them up without getting Rondo.  Orlando will have no interest in Rondo with Nelson already in place making big $.  Trading Rondo to NO just makes so much sense to both teams.

[action781]

If you can be sure of getting Chris Paul circa 08-09 where he racked up 22.8 pts, 11 asts, 5.5 rebs, 2.8 steals per game and shot 50% from the floor, you don't even blink at taking on Okafor.

If you're going to get Paul from this past season where he averaged 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 steals and shot 46% from the floor, I'm not sure you trade Rondo, Green and the Clippers pick straight up for him.

Mike

I don't think you add Green (unless you get Ariza).  But I absolutely think you do it with Rondo and 2 picks for CP.

I don't care which numbers you are getting from CP, he's still better than Rondo.  You think Rondo could put up numbers better than what Paul did on that NO team this season?  You think he could lead that team to the West playoffs??  IMO, no way. 

And to answer the OP, if we need to take back Okafor, I'd still do it.  But contracts do become a problem.  I wouldn't if we have to give up a big 3.

[StartOrien]

why not?  Okafor isn't the star he's paid as, but he's a legit starting center in this league who can play defense - I think that's a bonus to the deal

He also has the potential to be the second coming of JO injury-wise late in his career.

This is worth reposting cuz I was shocked when I came across this yesterday, last 4 years Okafor's game played:

72 (this season), 82, 82, 82

[wdleehi]

In a heart beat.


It just means that the Celtics need to trade KG as a way to get another offensive star.

[Lucky17]

In a heart beat.


It just means that the Celtics need to trade KG as a way to get another offensive star.

Paul, Ray, Pierce, KG, and Okafor is a starting lineup with plenty of offense, no?

[wdleehi]

In a heart beat.


It just means that the Celtics need to trade KG as a way to get another offensive star.

Paul, Ray, Pierce, KG, and Okafor is a starting lineup with plenty of offense, no?

For a year, yes.


But for this trade to work, I think Ray would be included to make numbers work.


In the future, they need a younger offensive player.  Draft and FA is probably out of the question. 

[angryguy77]

Not if it keeps us from getting DH. We are going to need Howard for us to be legit contenders again.

I know it's not certain, but DA has to put us in position to take a shot.

As you mentioned, getting Howard isn't only not certain; it's probably less than 50%.  So, you turn down getting Chris Paul (who can himself make a team a legit contender provided solid pieces around him), that way you can take a less than 50% chance at Dwight?  And then if we don't get him....  you're happy with Rondo as our "superstar"?

CP3 is just as big of a priority to go after as Dwight IMO.  The reason is neither team give them up without getting Rondo.  Orlando will have no interest in Rondo with Nelson already in place making big $.  Trading Rondo to NO just makes so much sense to both teams.

I wouldn't be upset if DA did this, but I think we are going to need DH to contend with the heat.

I believe Miami will get better over the next year and we are going to need top defense at the 5.

With the money we'll have to throw at howard gives us a great shot at getting him imo. I believe the rumors of him only going to LA or NJ are a little hyped.  

Now if we can't get Howard but can get CP, then by all means we should go for it.

[wdleehi]

Not to mention, despite the contract, he still has value in the NBA. 

[Tradetime]

Not if it keeps us from getting DH. We are going to need Howard for us to be legit contenders again.

I know it's not certain, but DA has to put us in position to take a shot.

As you mentioned, getting Howard isn't only not certain; it's probably less than 50%.  So, you turn down getting Chris Paul (who can himself make a team a legit contender provided solid pieces around him), that way you can take a less than 50% chance at Dwight?  And then if we don't get him....  you're happy with Rondo as our "superstar"?

CP3 is just as big of a priority to go after as Dwight IMO.  The reason is neither team give them up without getting Rondo.  Orlando will have no interest in Rondo with Nelson already in place making big $.  Trading Rondo to NO just makes so much sense to both teams.

Exactly, Dwight is definitely far from a certain thing. I could see the Lakers giving up Bynum and filler to obtain his services, which is better than anything we could offer.

Rondo to New Orleans, on the other hand, makes a ton of sense. I'm pretty sure CP3 would embrace the opportunity to play with some future Hall of Famers like Pierce and Allen, and make a real run at a title. Just look at what 38 year old Jason Kidd is still able to do for his team, basically playing alongside Dirk and filler. I'd take Pierce and Ray with CP3 running the show over Dirk, Kidd, and the likes of Jason Terry and offensively challenged Tyson Chandler anyday.

[MBunge]

If you can be sure of getting Chris Paul circa 08-09 where he racked up 22.8 pts, 11 asts, 5.5 rebs, 2.8 steals per game and shot 50% from the floor, you don't even blink at taking on Okafor.

If you're going to get Paul from this past season where he averaged 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 steals and shot 46% from the floor, I'm not sure you trade Rondo, Green and the Clippers pick straight up for him.

Mike

I don't think you add Green (unless you get Ariza).  But I absolutely think you do it with Rondo and 2 picks for CP.

Rondo this past regular season averaged 10.6 points, 11.2 assists, 4.4 rebounds, 2.2 steals and shot 47% from the field, even with that stretch after the Perk trade where he played like absolute garbage.

Yes, Paul's superior shooting would greatly improve the team's scoring punch, but only if Paul can get back to putting up 20 a game.  I would think Dallas' spanking of LA would have caused people to re-evaluate just how great Paul's performance was in the first round.

Mike