Jeff Green to Start Next Year?

[action781]

Maybe he just "is who he is"?  His stats have plateaued / regressed since his second year in the league.  I just don't see any reason to project major improvement.

Perhaps this is me being searching too hard for optimism... but he was playing out of position those two years at OKC and was getting very inconsistent playing time in a completely new system in Boston.

I could see playing his true position (3), with consistent minutes, and a pass-first point guard with him being a good reason to project improvement.  Even if that improvement isn't tangible (e.g. defense, great ball movement).

[Vermont Green]

I like Pierce starting and I agree with the theory that this start Green talk may be more about trade value than on court strategy.  I don't mind trading Green but only if we get someone really good in return like Chris Paul.

If they do restructure the starting core, I like the Pierce-Green combo better than the Allen-Green combo.  There are plenty of SGs that Pierce can cover just fine and I think this gives him some advantage on the offensive end.

Next year, if not traded, will be a big year for Green.  I think he will improve with a camp and a preseason but if he doesn't, there will be no excuses (I think he played out of position in OK and never got fully acclaimated this year with the Celtics.)

[JSD]

Maybe he just "is who he is"?  His stats have plateaued / regressed since his second year in the league.  I just don't see any reason to project major improvement.

Perhaps this is me being searching too hard for optimism... but he was playing out of position those two years at OKC and was getting very inconsistent playing time in a completely new system in Boston.

I could see playing his true position (3), with consistent minutes, and a pass-first point guard with him being a good reason to project improvement.  Even if that improvement isn't tangible (e.g. defense, great ball movement).

I think this is a good point. Green was playing out of position for much of his time in OKC. A more fair breakdown would evaluate Green at the 3 in OKC and how that measures to his time at the 3 with the Celtics. I bet his production has slipped in those terms.

[Roy H.]

Maybe he just "is who he is"?  His stats have plateaued / regressed since his second year in the league.  I just don't see any reason to project major improvement.

Perhaps this is me being searching too hard for optimism... but he was playing out of position those two years at OKC and was getting very inconsistent playing time in a completely new system in Boston.

I could see playing his true position (3), with consistent minutes, and a pass-first point guard with him being a good reason to project improvement.  Even if that improvement isn't tangible (e.g. defense, great ball movement).

I think this is a good point. Green was playing out of position for much of his time in OKC. A more fair breakdown would evaluate Green at the 3 in OKC and how that measures to his time at the 3 with the Celtics. I bet his production has slipped in those terms.

According to 82games.com, Green actually performed better as a small forward in Boston than he did as a small forward in OKC. 

[celts55]

When Danny says stuff like Green could be starting or will have a much bigger roles next year, what I'm hearing is, "see I didn't screw up with this trade".

[action781]

Maybe he just "is who he is"?  His stats have plateaued / regressed since his second year in the league.  I just don't see any reason to project major improvement.

Perhaps this is me being searching too hard for optimism... but he was playing out of position those two years at OKC and was getting very inconsistent playing time in a completely new system in Boston.

I could see playing his true position (3), with consistent minutes, and a pass-first point guard with him being a good reason to project improvement.  Even if that improvement isn't tangible (e.g. defense, great ball movement).

I think this is a good point. Green was playing out of position for much of his time in OKC. A more fair breakdown would evaluate Green at the 3 in OKC and how that measures to his time at the 3 with the Celtics. I bet his production has slipped in those terms.

According to 82games.com, Green actually performed better as a small forward in Boston than he did as a small forward in OKC. 

Nice.  So maybe with more consistent playing time, he will further improve.  I think it's essential for Jeff Green to play alongside other offensive weapons for him to succeed offensively.

[Roy H.]

Maybe he just "is who he is"?  His stats have plateaued / regressed since his second year in the league.  I just don't see any reason to project major improvement.

Perhaps this is me being searching too hard for optimism... but he was playing out of position those two years at OKC and was getting very inconsistent playing time in a completely new system in Boston.

I could see playing his true position (3), with consistent minutes, and a pass-first point guard with him being a good reason to project improvement.  Even if that improvement isn't tangible (e.g. defense, great ball movement).

I think this is a good point. Green was playing out of position for much of his time in OKC. A more fair breakdown would evaluate Green at the 3 in OKC and how that measures to his time at the 3 with the Celtics. I bet his production has slipped in those terms.

According to 82games.com, Green actually performed better as a small forward in Boston than he did as a small forward in OKC. 

Nice.  So maybe with more consistent playing time, he will further improve.  I think it's essential for Jeff Green to play alongside other offensive weapons for him to succeed offensively.

Yeah, it wasn't a huge improvement, but what the numbers show is that Green scored more inside in Boston than he did as a SF in OKC.  I'd love to see Green attack the basket aggressively and to go into the post more. 

[popcontest]

When Danny says stuff like Green could be starting or will have a much bigger roles next year, what I'm hearing is, "see I didn't screw up with this trade".

What Danny is also saying:  don't expect to see Big Baby back next season.

[Vermont Green]

I caution people not to give up on Green so quickly.  He clearly has not fulfilled his potential but look how long Billups bounced around trying to find a position and a role to be successful.  Joe Johnson is another example from Celtics past.

Green may not figure it out but I think his window goes out a couple more years anyway.  Next year is big for him though as the window is not open for ever.

[Marcus13]

Wow.

Talking about giving up.  If Jeff Green is on this roster next season, the word championship is a joke

[Chris]

Yeah, it wasn't a huge improvement, but what the numbers show is that Green scored more inside in Boston than he did as a SF in OKC.  I'd love to see Green attack the basket aggressively and to go into the post more. 

As would I.  I am really hoping he does come back on the QO, since I really think there is something there, and I want to see more of him, where he has more time to assimilate and fit into the right role.

My biggest issue with the trade was that the C's have shown over and over again over the last few years that they really have trouble assimilating guys midseason, and this was (perhaps) another case of that.  

Don't get me wrong, I in no way think Jeff Green is going to be a star, however, I do think he can be a much more dangerous player than he was.  I think we saw flashes of what he can do in the Heat series, and it seemed like he was coming around a bit, but I really want to see what he can do with a little more time to be integrated into the system, so they can learn how best to use him, and he can learn where he fits in.

[vinnie]

Some guys have nothing but bad luck. Four years in the league and always being used in the wrong way, not getting enough minutes, etc. Don't the good to really good players quickly figure out how to make the most out of their situations and use their physical skills to succeed? Don't the really good players figure out how to contribute to a team regardless of the role they are put in?

I believe this is the case. That is why Jeff Green is an average player who is what he is and who will always be what he is. Hopefully I am wrong if he stays with the Celts.

[Jack_Frost]

You are Danny Ainge, and you are thinking about a Jeff Green trade (I'd like in a Chris Paul move): i think i'll say the same things

"Jeff Green has great future bla bla bla, maybe he can start bla bla bla maybe Pierce can come off bench bla bla bla"...

[Chris]

Some guys have nothing but bad luck. Four years in the league and always being used in the wrong way, not getting enough minutes, etc. Don't the good to really good players quickly figure out how to make the most out of their situations and use their physical skills to succeed? Don't the really good players figure out how to contribute to a team regardless of the role they are put in?

I believe this is the case. That is why Jeff Green is an average player who is what he is and who will always be what he is. Hopefully I am wrong if he stays with the Celts.

I agree with this.  However, I think Green played worse than he is capable overall this year.  I don't think he could ever be a star, but I think if he gets comfortable with his role, and they learn better how to use him (and Doc feels more comfortable with him on the floor), he can be a 12-15 point per game scorer (in about 25 minutes) off the bench on this team.

I don't think he will ever be much more than that, but I think he could be exactly what this team needs next year as that wing off the bench.  

[vinnie]

Some guys have nothing but bad luck. Four years in the league and always being used in the wrong way, not getting enough minutes, etc. Don't the good to really good players quickly figure out how to make the most out of their situations and use their physical skills to succeed? Don't the really good players figure out how to contribute to a team regardless of the role they are put in?

I believe this is the case. That is why Jeff Green is an average player who is what he is and who will always be what he is. Hopefully I am wrong if he stays with the Celts.

I agree with this.  However, I think Green played worse than he is capable overall this year.  I don't think he could ever be a star, but I think if he gets comfortable with his role, and they learn better how to use him (and Doc feels more comfortable with him on the floor), he can be a 12-15 point per game scorer (in about 25 minutes) off the bench on this team.

I don't think he will ever be much more than that, but I think he could be exactly what this team needs next year as that wing off the bench.  

If this became the case it would be good. Not great, but good. I, like others, hope Danny is just trying to pump him up before he trades him.