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[feckless]

Any one think CP3 plays with  a dislocated elbow.  Seems to me he has a lot of injury down time in his career.

Mental aspects of the game fall on Rondo's side.

Both great players, from this thread at least a debatable point who is better.  Not really an area where the Celtics need to improve.  Why waste assets on strengths instead of weaknesses.

[soap07]

  Rondo's a better defender and rebounder than Paul and arguably a better passer and ballhandler. Why would Chris Paul be Rondo's ceiling?

  Hope I didn't get you overly excited, btw.

You've made this point before and it's still incorrect. Paul is at least, if not better, a better passer and ballhandler.

  Sure, if the definition of incorrect is your having a different opinion.

I'd like to see some evidence of Rondo being a better passer or ballhandler than CP3. Paul has a career 47% assist percentage compared to Rondo's 38. Paul has a career 13.3 turnover percentage compared to Rondo's 19.7.

In 2011 - with Chris Paul's usage rate is higher, he still averaged less turnovers per 36 minutes while almost having the same amount of assists and scoring a lot more. I know you love Rondo but at some point, facts have to come into play here.

[soap07]

Any one think CP3 plays with  a dislocated elbow. 

Absolutely.

Mental aspects of the game fall on Rondo's side.

What does this mean?

[StartOrien]

Chris Paul is not better than Rondo in every aspect. All this Rondo hate is getting annoying. I think Paul is the best point guard in the NBA, but give Rondo his due

Paul's strengths:
-Can dominate a game by scoring
-Consistency
-Doesn't disappear in games
-Can take people off the dribble better
-Near perfect execution down the stretch

Rondo's strengths:
-Rebounds better
-Walking triple double
-Better perimeter defender

  Paul's 39% from the field and 27% on threes in the clutch are both well below average, not sure I'd call that "near perfect execution". Oh, and he gets to the rim less often than Rondo, not sure he's really better at taking people off the dribble.

While you're looking at these clutch stats, why don't you check out how the Hornets have performed overall in the clutch.

[StartOrien]

Both great players, from this thread at least a debatable point who is better.  Not really an area where the Celtics need to improve.  Why waste assets on strengths instead of weaknesses

This argument has been made a bunch of times and I just don't get it. Almost without question the Celtics biggest weakness is the ability to score, particularly in crunch time.

How are we not addressing a weakness by adding a significantly better scorer, who was behind the reins of the league's best clutch attack?

Sure, there are other concerns and issues with this team, but those are ones that can be solved by using our trade exceptions well.

[feckless]

Mental aspects of the game fall on Rondo's side.

What does this mean?



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You really don't know what I am talking about?

And how about some stats on games missed due to injury.  I honestly don't know but my memory is that CP3 has had his share of injuries and missed a lot of games>

[Moranis]

Chris Paul is not better than Rondo in every aspect. All this Rondo hate is getting annoying. I think Paul is the best point guard in the NBA, but give Rondo his due

Paul's strengths:
-Can dominate a game by scoring
-Consistency
-Doesn't disappear in games
-Can take people off the dribble better
-Near perfect execution down the stretch

Rondo's strengths:
-Rebounds better
-Walking triple double
-Better perimeter defender

  Paul's 39% from the field and 27% on threes in the clutch are both well below average, not sure I'd call that "near perfect execution". Oh, and he gets to the rim less often than Rondo, not sure he's really better at taking people off the dribble.

Kobe Bryant 40.2%, 35.1%
Derrick Rose 40.2%, 20.0%
Lebron James 43.6%, 23.8%
Dirk Nowitzki 45.8%, 12.5%
Kevin Durant 40.6%, 29.0%
Dwyane Wade 39.7%, 42.9%

No one performs well in the clutch, but Paul is certainly in the same general range as the other elite players in the league.

For good measure here is Paul Pierce 42.5%, 23.8%

[StartOrien]

Chris Paul game played:

80, 45, 78, 80, 64, 78

[StartOrien]

From Henry Abbot's article about Kobe not being "clutch"

In the final 24 seconds of close games the Lakers offense regresses horribly, managing just 82 points per 100 possessions. And it's not a simple case of every team having a hard time scoring in crunch time. Over Bryant's career, 11 teams have had better crunch-time offenses, led by the Hornets with a shocking 107 points per 100 possessions in crunch time, a huge credit to Chris Paul.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

[feckless]

 Almost without question the Celtics biggest weakness is the ability to score, particularly in crunch time.

How are we not addressing a weakness by adding a significantly better scorer, who was behind the reins of the league's best clutch attack?

Sure, there are other concerns and issues with this team, but those are ones that can be solved by using our trade exceptions well.

Almost without question?   Biggest weakness?  What games Have you been watching --did you watch the C's before this last injury ridden series?? Did you watch them play the Knicks--You can't just make up stuff and then add without question and biggest to wrong statements and think they become true

[Moranis]

Chris Paul game played:

80, 45, 78, 80, 64, 78

That is my point, he has had two completely unrelated injuries that have only cost him portions of two seasons.  To call him an injury risk is a bit silly, when it is Rondo coming off a season of 68 games and still being hampered by chronic back issues.

[StartOrien]

Almost without question?   Biggest weakness?  What games Have you been watching --did you watch the C's before this last injury ridden series?? Did you watch them play the Knicks--You can't just make up stuff and then add without question and biggest to wrong statements and think they become true

Here's Zack Lowe of SI's - who I think most everyone agrees is one of the best out there - take on my ludicrous statement about an inability to score

• How will they score?

This is the overarching issue. Boston’s offense ranked fifth in points per possession in 2008-09, 15th in 2009-10 and 19th this season. The trend is clear: As the Big Three get older, they are less able to create consistently, and Rondo, for all his gifts, cannot lift this offense to an acceptable level on a night-to-night basis. That’s not a knock, really; Chris Paul is in the same situation in New Orleans, albeit with a far less accomplished roster.

Of the eight teams that advanced to the second round of the playoffs, only Atlanta has scored fewer points per possession in the postseason. In three of five playoff games against Miami, the Celtics put up a points-per-possession mark that would have ranked last in the NBA — by far — in the regular season, according to Hoopdata.

Granted, he does slightly knock on CP3, but he correctly points out that he has a much less talented team which I think is a big issue.

[BballTim]

Chris Paul is not better than Rondo in every aspect. All this Rondo hate is getting annoying. I think Paul is the best point guard in the NBA, but give Rondo his due

Paul's strengths:
-Can dominate a game by scoring
-Consistency
-Doesn't disappear in games
-Can take people off the dribble better
-Near perfect execution down the stretch

Rondo's strengths:
-Rebounds better
-Walking triple double
-Better perimeter defender

  Paul's 39% from the field and 27% on threes in the clutch are both well below average, not sure I'd call that "near perfect execution". Oh, and he gets to the rim less often than Rondo, not sure he's really better at taking people off the dribble.

While you're looking at these clutch stats, why don't you check out how the Hornets have performed overall in the clutch.

  Not sure what this means. I didn't see any overall team clutch stats, how did they perform overall?

[StartOrien]

Chris Paul is not better than Rondo in every aspect. All this Rondo hate is getting annoying. I think Paul is the best point guard in the NBA, but give Rondo his due

Paul's strengths:
-Can dominate a game by scoring
-Consistency
-Doesn't disappear in games
-Can take people off the dribble better
-Near perfect execution down the stretch

Rondo's strengths:
-Rebounds better
-Walking triple double
-Better perimeter defender

  Paul's 39% from the field and 27% on threes in the clutch are both well below average, not sure I'd call that "near perfect execution". Oh, and he gets to the rim less often than Rondo, not sure he's really better at taking people off the dribble.

While you're looking at these clutch stats, why don't you check out how the Hornets have performed overall in the clutch.

  Not sure what this means. I didn't see any overall team clutch stats, how did they perform overall?

In "clutch" situations the Hornets are the best team out there, read my post from above.

[feckless]

 Almost without question the Celtics biggest weakness is the ability to score, particularly in crunch time.

How are we not addressing a weakness by adding a significantly better scorer, who was behind the reins of the league's best clutch attack?

Sure, there are other concerns and issues with this team, but those are ones that can be solved by using our trade exceptions well.

Almost without question?   Biggest weakness?  What games Have you been watching --did you watch the C's before this last injury ridden series?? Did you watch them play the Knicks--You can't just make up stuff and then add without question and biggest to wrong statements and think they become true

Here's Zack Lowe of SI's - who I think most everyone agrees is one of the best out there - take on my ludicrous statement about an inability to score

• How will they score?

This is the overarching issue. Boston’s offense ranked fifth in points per possession in 2008-09, 15th in 2009-10 and 19th this season. The trend is clear: As the Big Three get older, they are less able to create consistently, and Rondo, for all his gifts, cannot lift this offense to an acceptable level on a night-to-night basis. That’s not a knock, really; Chris Paul is in the same situation in New Orleans, albeit with a far less accomplished roster.

Of the eight teams that advanced to the second round of the playoffs, only Atlanta has scored fewer points per possession in the postseason. In three of five playoff games against Miami, the Celtics put up a points-per-possession mark that would have ranked last in the NBA — by far — in the regular season, according to Hoopdata.

Fair enough--I don't agree with it but you have demonstrated that others are of the same opinion as you.  Winning close games - last minute heroics by Ray and Paul tell me this was not the case until the Miami series--where a healthy Rondo?  We will never know.