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list your favorite desperation moves
« on: May 11, 2011, 12:21:20 PM »

Offline wiley

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The Celtics aren't a team that changes things up much lineup-wise, preferring loyalty and stability, and the pros and cons that come with that approach.  Of course part of that being their approach is due to their roster as well.

Anway, if you could do something as a a last ditch effort to change the equation in this series, what would it be?

Mine would be:

1.  Start KG at center and Jeff Green at PF, regardless of the Heat starting lineup.  Play Jeff Green 40 minutes regardless of potential miscues/mistakes.  Give Baby a night off unless Jermaine, Jeff or KG fouls out.  Don't worry about the negatives of the small lineup.  See what positives you can get out of it.  Use Murphy for 5 minutes if Green needs a short blow or two.

2.  Play Rondo 20 minutes and Delonte 28 minutes.

3.  Give AB 5-7 minutes guarding Wade while Delonte is the PG.

These kinds of things can lead to a Heat blowout, but why not risk it and see what happens?

Re: list your favorite desperation moves
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2011, 12:36:40 PM »

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The Celtics aren't a team that changes things up much lineup-wise, preferring loyalty and stability, and the pros and cons that come with that approach.  Of course part of that being their approach is due to their roster as well.

Anway, if you could do something as a a last ditch effort to change the equation in this series, what would it be?

Mine would be:

1.  Start KG at center and Jeff Green at PF, regardless of the Heat starting lineup.  Play Jeff Green 40 minutes regardless of potential miscues/mistakes.  Give Baby a night off unless Jermaine, Jeff or KG fouls out.  Don't worry about the negatives of the small lineup.  See what positives you can get out of it.  Use Murphy for 5 minutes if Green needs a short blow or two.

2.  Play Rondo 20 minutes and Delonte 28 minutes.

3.  Give AB 5-7 minutes guarding Wade while Delonte is the PG.

These kinds of things can lead to a Heat blowout, but why not risk it and see what happens?
From yor list, I think increasing Delonte's minutes is the best idea.  In essence, that would negate the need to even play AB since Delonte is doing a great job of it. 

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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2011, 12:40:17 PM »

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Troy Murphy. That is all.

Re: list your favorite desperation moves
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2011, 12:43:26 PM »

Offline wiley

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The Celtics aren't a team that changes things up much lineup-wise, preferring loyalty and stability, and the pros and cons that come with that approach.  Of course part of that being their approach is due to their roster as well.

Anway, if you could do something as a a last ditch effort to change the equation in this series, what would it be?

Mine would be:

1.  Start KG at center and Jeff Green at PF, regardless of the Heat starting lineup.  Play Jeff Green 40 minutes regardless of potential miscues/mistakes.  Give Baby a night off unless Jermaine, Jeff or KG fouls out.  Don't worry about the negatives of the small lineup.  See what positives you can get out of it.  Use Murphy for 5 minutes if Green needs a short blow or two.

2.  Play Rondo 20 minutes and Delonte 28 minutes.

3.  Give AB 5-7 minutes guarding Wade while Delonte is the PG.

These kinds of things can lead to a Heat blowout, but why not risk it and see what happens?
From yor list, I think increasing Delonte's minutes is the best idea.  In essence, that would negate the need to even play AB since Delonte is doing a great job of it. 

The AB part was more about pestering Wade while Ray gets a bit of rest in the first half....I know the time for rest is over, but that's why it's here in the desperation measures thread ...
along those lines, might be worth seeing if AB can have a microwave moment on offense at the 2 spot.  I think he's a microwave style scorer in general...

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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2011, 12:47:10 PM »

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Troy Murphy. That is all.

I support this. Nothing to lose at this point.

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playing murphy might solve our rebounding problems

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Troy Murphy. That is all.

I support this. Nothing to lose at this point.
Technically speaking, until you're out there's always the series to lose.
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Re: list your favorite desperation moves
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2011, 01:09:12 PM »

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Troy Murphy has done absolutely nothing since they signed him.  He's been a completely wasted signing.  In the few minutes he has played, he's a shell of his former self.  He may still be hurt, but in any case there is no way in hell that Murphy should see any playing time. 

I mean, as bad as Baby's been playing, what have you seen from Murphy (this year) that's an iota better?

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2011, 01:10:19 PM »

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The Celtics aren't a team that changes things up much lineup-wise, preferring loyalty and stability, and the pros and cons that come with that approach.  Of course part of that being their approach is due to their roster as well.

Anway, if you could do something as a a last ditch effort to change the equation in this series, what would it be?

Mine would be:

1.  Start KG at center and Jeff Green at PF, regardless of the Heat starting lineup.  Play Jeff Green 40 minutes regardless of potential miscues/mistakes.  Give Baby a night off unless Jermaine, Jeff or KG fouls out.  Don't worry about the negatives of the small lineup.  See what positives you can get out of it.  Use Murphy for 5 minutes if Green needs a short blow or two.

2.  Play Rondo 20 minutes and Delonte 28 minutes.

3.  Give AB 5-7 minutes guarding Wade while Delonte is the PG.

These kinds of things can lead to a Heat blowout, but why not risk it and see what happens?
From yor list, I think increasing Delonte's minutes is the best idea.  In essence, that would negate the need to even play AB since Delonte is doing a great job of it. 

The AB part was more about pestering Wade while Ray gets a bit of rest in the first half....I know the time for rest is over, but that's why it's here in the desperation measures thread ...
along those lines, might be worth seeing if AB can have a microwave moment on offense at the 2 spot.  I think he's a microwave style scorer in general...

Wade would eat Bradley for lunch, and it would mean the C's bigs would either be getting in foul trouble, or giving up layups.  Bradley has incredibly quick feet, but he doesn't yet understand proper positioning defensively, and how to use the help defense to his advantage.  

As far as desperation moves, I think the C's don't need them.  They just need to stay the course, and hope they start hitting some shots.  

I really think Doc found the right combination in game 4, by keeping either JO or KG on the floor at all times, matching up with the Heat when they go small or big, and really hounding them on the perimeter defensively while using JO/KG as shadow.  Had they knocked down the shots they normally hit, and not made dumb mistakes down the stretch this would be a very different series right now.

So, I say stay the course, maybe be a little more aggressive with getting Ray and Pierce to the bench for stretches when they look tired, in order to keep them fresher in the 4th, and hope you can win by playing to your strengths, disciplined defense, and knocking down shots.


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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2011, 01:34:17 PM »

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How about using Pierce as PG and Green as SF for part of the game?  Wouldn't that create some mismatches?

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suit up Tyronn Lue.

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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2011, 02:15:45 PM »

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Bringing Antione back for a pre-4th quarter sideline speech to rally the win ala ECF 2002 vs NJ.  We need that sort of desperate determination the entire game.  No excuses, no easy baskets, get to the line over and over and over.

Frankly, I think Pierce should steamroll I mean drive the lane like Lebron for at least the entire first half to try getting Miami in foul trouble, to draw doubles to create more open shots for perimeter shooters (Ray, Delonte, Jeff).   
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Call on Carlos Arroyo and Von Wafer for a stint late in the 1st quarter. Troy Murphy might have to play if KG and Glen Davis get in foul trouble.

Other than that set up Ray Allen for THREEEEEEEE!!!!!!
The beatings will continue until morale improves

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I have two desperation moves I would like to see: First, the closing lineup (last 6 minutes in the fourth) should be West, Allen, Pierce, Green, and Garnett. Second, Glen Davis should be benched for Troy Murphy.

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2011, 03:44:55 PM »

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Well if you're taking desperation, than I'm giving some minutes to Bradley and Petrovic with the soul purpose of them pounding on Wade and Lebron everytime they go anywhere near the hoop.
I'm not talking Bynam cheap shot, try to hurt someone crap. I'm talking old school don't be bringing that to the hole type of playing. I'm talking about getting physical with these guys. Make them think about it before driving to the hoop and kept them shooting outside.
Might not work as they have been hitting some rediculaus outside shots, but worth a shot.