"...and thats why they play the game."

[Shamrocker]

Rondo's torn ligaments could totally heal in 2 days and with two healthy arms, Rondo could suddenly have the ability to shoot like Chris Paul.

"That's why they play the game."

Right?

Well, first off...Rondo doesn't have any torn ligaments and if youve ever dislocated anything it feels its worst/sorest a day or two after the injury(game 4) Not to say its going to be near healthy, but it will feel better than it did in game 4.

And you must not have read the post...Here, ill help you.

............
but ive come to the conclusion:
Optimists are gonna be optimistic and doubters are gonna doubt. Thats the way it is.
......
......
Rondo is hurting, so is shaq, our offense struggles in late games, and BBD is playing terrible. who's to say all or none change in the rest of the series? once again, "thats why they play the game."
.......
.......
Hollinger can predict stats, we can predict games, I said in the begiging the Celtics were gonna sweep and Rondo would be the MVP. Mabye he has a miracuous performace in all these games, or mabye he doesn't.

-When did I mention Chris Paul?
-When did I Rondo shooting the ball better? (Infact, love when he doesn't shoot jumpshots)
-When did I mention anything about his arm being 100% healed?
-All I said was, mabye the warrior that is Rajon Rondo is effective in these next game(s), or mabye he won't be. That's all I said.

That IS exactly why they play the game.

Actually, Rondo does have torn ligaments in his arm.  There's a post elsewhere on the forum discussing this.  It's impossible to dislocate your elbow without damaging ligaments to at least some degree.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=47666.msg999873;topicseen#new

I'm well aware that you didn't explicitly mention any of those things; the point is, it's all good and well to say "that's why they play the game," but just because any number of things could technically happen, it doesn't mean there's any real chance that they will.  This team isn't just going to start playing completely differently than they've played over the past 3 months.  What you see is what you get -- and it's not good enough to beat the Miami Heat 4 times out of 7 right now.

Despite daunting odds some us of choose to believe. Maybe we’ll get blown out. Perhaps, tomorrow, you’ll be proven correct. But, I have to ask, what will you gain? You had the foresight to predict our demise ahead of time. Congratulations. You made Celtics fan face reality. Good for you.  I understand why some would question our ability to rally, but I can’t understand why someone would post those views to a topic implicitly created for optimists. Notice in two hours, you’re the only cynic to post here. Why is that?

If you don’t believe, that’s fine. Go create a topic, and discuss it. But, please, let us believe.

 Cynics and skeptics don’t determine basketball games, players do.

I may tend to be pessimistic when it comes to this year's team, but I do appreciate that some are optimistic, and I think even here there is some reason to be optimistic . . . just not very much.

My original purpose for posting in this topic was to point out that the sorts of things the original poster was hoping might happen are pretty far fetched.  This series has not been lost yet, and it's true that the Celtics could still manage to win it.  However, if they do it's going to involve a lot of luck and a lot of tough, grind-it-out performances.  

Enumerating all of the things that have been troubling the team for quite a while now and saying, "you never know, those things might suddenly change, that's why they play the game," is kind of silly.  E.g. Rondo is not going to spontaneously heal and learn to shoot, Glen Davis is not going to morph into a young Charles Barkely, and so on.

Rather, what we can hope is that many of the shots that didn't fall last night will fall, that the calls will tend to go our way more than they have, that the Celtics will manage to execute late in the game, that Lebron and Wade won't sink so many outside jumpers, that KG can contain Bosh and still score, and so on.

This is something! I appreciate hyperbole, but you’ve completely manipulated the OP argument! He simply suggested that if KG starts to assert himself, if we execute better, and if the heat hit a few less shots we have a chance. 

I generally agree with you, but please dispense with the straw men arguments. You’re better than that.

[vinnie]

I am optimistic that Shaq might even be able to walk to the bench tomorrow. That is where my optimism ends. Series ends tomorrow night, but at least the Celts will go down fighting. Going to be huge changes in Boston and LA in the offseason.

[RockinRyA]

Rondo's torn ligaments could totally heal in 2 days and with two healthy arms, Rondo could suddenly have the ability to shoot like Chris Paul.

"That's why they play the game."

Right?

Well, first off...Rondo doesn't have any torn ligaments and if youve ever dislocated anything it feels its worst/sorest a day or two after the injury(game 4) Not to say its going to be near healthy, but it will feel better than it did in game 4.

And you must not have read the post...Here, ill help you.

............
but ive come to the conclusion:
Optimists are gonna be optimistic and doubters are gonna doubt. Thats the way it is.
......
......
Rondo is hurting, so is shaq, our offense struggles in late games, and BBD is playing terrible. who's to say all or none change in the rest of the series? once again, "thats why they play the game."
.......
.......
Hollinger can predict stats, we can predict games, I said in the begiging the Celtics were gonna sweep and Rondo would be the MVP. Mabye he has a miracuous performace in all these games, or mabye he doesn't.

-When did I mention Chris Paul?
-When did I Rondo shooting the ball better? (Infact, love when he doesn't shoot jumpshots)
-When did I mention anything about his arm being 100% healed?
-All I said was, mabye the warrior that is Rajon Rondo is effective in these next game(s), or mabye he won't be. That's all I said.

That IS exactly why they play the game.

Actually, Rondo does have torn ligaments in his arm.  There's a post elsewhere on the forum discussing this.  It's impossible to dislocate your elbow without damaging ligaments to at least some degree.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=47666.msg999873;topicseen#new

I'm well aware that you didn't explicitly mention any of those things; the point is, it's all good and well to say "that's why they play the game," but just because any number of things could technically happen, it doesn't mean there's any real chance that they will.  This team isn't just going to start playing completely differently than they've played over the past 3 months.  What you see is what you get -- and it's not good enough to beat the Miami Heat 4 times out of 7 right now.

Despite daunting odds some us of choose to believe. Maybe we’ll get blown out. Perhaps, tomorrow, you’ll be proven correct. But, I have to ask, what will you gain? You had the foresight to predict our demise ahead of time. Congratulations. You made Celtics fan face reality. Good for you.  I understand why some would question our ability to rally, but I can’t understand why someone would post those views to a topic implicitly created for optimists. Notice in two hours, you’re the only cynic to post here. Why is that?

If you don’t believe, that’s fine. Go create a topic, and discuss it. But, please, let us believe.

 Cynics and skeptics don’t determine basketball games, players do.

I may tend to be pessimistic when it comes to this year's team, but I do appreciate that some are optimistic, and I think even here there is some reason to be optimistic . . . just not very much.

My original purpose for posting in this topic was to point out that the sorts of things the original poster was hoping might happen are pretty far fetched.  This series has not been lost yet, and it's true that the Celtics could still manage to win it.  However, if they do it's going to involve a lot of luck and a lot of tough, grind-it-out performances.  

Enumerating all of the things that have been troubling the team for quite a while now and saying, "you never know, those things might suddenly change, that's why they play the game," is kind of silly.  E.g. Rondo is not going to spontaneously heal and learn to shoot, Glen Davis is not going to morph into a young Charles Barkely, and so on.

Rather, what we can hope is that many of the shots that didn't fall last night will fall, that the calls will tend to go our way more than they have, that the Celtics will manage to execute late in the game, that Lebron and Wade won't sink so many outside jumpers, that KG can contain Bosh and still score, and so on.

Im sorry but youve been pretty pessimistic of this team last year (prior playoffs) as well.

[Shamrocker]

I am optimistic that Shaq might even be able to walk to the bench tomorrow. That is where my optimism ends. Series ends tomorrow night, but at least the Celts will go down fighting. Going to be huge changes in Boston and LA in the offseason.

The don of the doorstep darkeners, how decent of you to offer an opinion! Just remember what you said when the series is tied up 3-3 my friend! 

[the TRUTH]

nice

*eatin capt peanut butter crunch*

You crack me up man! Hands down the funniest poster on this site. My favorite line is *sips 40 oz, but that one was awesome too.

I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking this thing isn't over. Just find a way to win tomorrow night and bring it back for a GARDEN PARTY Friday night. If we can force a game 7, we also get an extra day off between games 6 & 7. That would be a huge advantage for all five of our starters. Gotta believe.

[chambers]

Rondo's torn ligaments could totally heal in 2 days and with two healthy arms, Rondo could suddenly have the ability to shoot like Chris Paul.

"That's why they play the game."

Right?

I'm the ultimate optimist but I'm also realistic.
Once Rondos arm went, so did our chances. I had the worst feeling when we won that game and thought about how sore that arm would be for the next 2 weeks.
he isn't getting full use of that arm for a good 3-4 months.
The two pieces we needed to make this a serious chance at winning number 18 were Shaq and Rondo and they are both done.

[PosImpos]

Rondo's torn ligaments could totally heal in 2 days and with two healthy arms, Rondo could suddenly have the ability to shoot like Chris Paul.

"That's why they play the game."

Right?

Well, first off...Rondo doesn't have any torn ligaments and if youve ever dislocated anything it feels its worst/sorest a day or two after the injury(game 4) Not to say its going to be near healthy, but it will feel better than it did in game 4.

And you must not have read the post...Here, ill help you.

............
but ive come to the conclusion:
Optimists are gonna be optimistic and doubters are gonna doubt. Thats the way it is.
......
......
Rondo is hurting, so is shaq, our offense struggles in late games, and BBD is playing terrible. who's to say all or none change in the rest of the series? once again, "thats why they play the game."
.......
.......
Hollinger can predict stats, we can predict games, I said in the begiging the Celtics were gonna sweep and Rondo would be the MVP. Mabye he has a miracuous performace in all these games, or mabye he doesn't.

-When did I mention Chris Paul?
-When did I Rondo shooting the ball better? (Infact, love when he doesn't shoot jumpshots)
-When did I mention anything about his arm being 100% healed?
-All I said was, mabye the warrior that is Rajon Rondo is effective in these next game(s), or mabye he won't be. That's all I said.

That IS exactly why they play the game.

Actually, Rondo does have torn ligaments in his arm.  There's a post elsewhere on the forum discussing this.  It's impossible to dislocate your elbow without damaging ligaments to at least some degree.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=47666.msg999873;topicseen#new

I'm well aware that you didn't explicitly mention any of those things; the point is, it's all good and well to say "that's why they play the game," but just because any number of things could technically happen, it doesn't mean there's any real chance that they will.  This team isn't just going to start playing completely differently than they've played over the past 3 months.  What you see is what you get -- and it's not good enough to beat the Miami Heat 4 times out of 7 right now.

Despite daunting odds some us of choose to believe. Maybe we’ll get blown out. Perhaps, tomorrow, you’ll be proven correct. But, I have to ask, what will you gain? You had the foresight to predict our demise ahead of time. Congratulations. You made Celtics fan face reality. Good for you.  I understand why some would question our ability to rally, but I can’t understand why someone would post those views to a topic implicitly created for optimists. Notice in two hours, you’re the only cynic to post here. Why is that?

If you don’t believe, that’s fine. Go create a topic, and discuss it. But, please, let us believe.

 Cynics and skeptics don’t determine basketball games, players do.

I may tend to be pessimistic when it comes to this year's team, but I do appreciate that some are optimistic, and I think even here there is some reason to be optimistic . . . just not very much.

My original purpose for posting in this topic was to point out that the sorts of things the original poster was hoping might happen are pretty far fetched.  This series has not been lost yet, and it's true that the Celtics could still manage to win it.  However, if they do it's going to involve a lot of luck and a lot of tough, grind-it-out performances.  

Enumerating all of the things that have been troubling the team for quite a while now and saying, "you never know, those things might suddenly change, that's why they play the game," is kind of silly.  E.g. Rondo is not going to spontaneously heal and learn to shoot, Glen Davis is not going to morph into a young Charles Barkely, and so on.

Rather, what we can hope is that many of the shots that didn't fall last night will fall, that the calls will tend to go our way more than they have, that the Celtics will manage to execute late in the game, that Lebron and Wade won't sink so many outside jumpers, that KG can contain Bosh and still score, and so on.

Im sorry but youve been pretty pessimistic of this team last year (prior playoffs) as well.

I was pessimistic prior to the playoffs last year and through most of the second round because the team last year exhibited many extremely troubling characteristics that gave them a .500 record through the second half of the season and saddled them with the 4th seed.  

This year, it was clear by the latter portion of the season that those troubling characteristics were still there . . . and thus I expected more or less the same fate to befall the team as last year, whether in the second round or the Finals.

In other words, yes, I've been pessimistic about this team the last couple of years -- but I have been with good reason.

[The_Truth]

I'm always optimistic about this team... that's because I know they will leave everything on the floor when it counts... That's why we are all Celtics fans right?  Whatever the result is...



GO CELTICS!!! MIAMI GET READY FOR A FIGHT!! 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t2ufOjUoYs&feature=related

[Celticsfan336]

Rondo's torn ligaments could totally heal in 2 days and with two healthy arms, Rondo could suddenly have the ability to shoot like Chris Paul.

"That's why they play the game."

Right?

Well, first off...Rondo doesn't have any torn ligaments and if youve ever dislocated anything it feels its worst/sorest a day or two after the injury(game 4) Not to say its going to be near healthy, but it will feel better than it did in game 4.

And you must not have read the post...Here, ill help you.

............
but ive come to the conclusion:
Optimists are gonna be optimistic and doubters are gonna doubt. Thats the way it is.
......
......
Rondo is hurting, so is shaq, our offense struggles in late games, and BBD is playing terrible. who's to say all or none change in the rest of the series? once again, "thats why they play the game."
.......
.......
Hollinger can predict stats, we can predict games, I said in the begiging the Celtics were gonna sweep and Rondo would be the MVP. Mabye he has a miracuous performace in all these games, or mabye he doesn't.

-When did I mention Chris Paul?
-When did I Rondo shooting the ball better? (Infact, love when he doesn't shoot jumpshots)
-When did I mention anything about his arm being 100% healed?
-All I said was, mabye the warrior that is Rajon Rondo is effective in these next game(s), or mabye he won't be. That's all I said.

That IS exactly why they play the game.

Actually, Rondo does have torn ligaments in his arm.  There's a post elsewhere on the forum discussing this.  It's impossible to dislocate your elbow without damaging ligaments to at least some degree.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=47666.msg999873;topicseen#new

I'm well aware that you didn't explicitly mention any of those things; the point is, it's all good and well to say "that's why they play the game," but just because any number of things could technically happen, it doesn't mean there's any real chance that they will.  This team isn't just going to start playing completely differently than they've played over the past 3 months.  What you see is what you get -- and it's not good enough to beat the Miami Heat 4 times out of 7 right now.

Despite daunting odds some us of choose to believe. Maybe we’ll get blown out. Perhaps, tomorrow, you’ll be proven correct. But, I have to ask, what will you gain? You had the foresight to predict our demise ahead of time. Congratulations. You made Celtics fan face reality. Good for you.  I understand why some would question our ability to rally, but I can’t understand why someone would post those views to a topic implicitly created for optimists. Notice in two hours, you’re the only cynic to post here. Why is that?

If you don’t believe, that’s fine. Go create a topic, and discuss it. But, please, let us believe.

 Cynics and skeptics don’t determine basketball games, players do.

I may tend to be pessimistic when it comes to this year's team, but I do appreciate that some are optimistic, and I think even here there is some reason to be optimistic . . . just not very much.

My original purpose for posting in this topic was to point out that the sorts of things the original poster was hoping might happen are pretty far fetched.  This series has not been lost yet, and it's true that the Celtics could still manage to win it.  However, if they do it's going to involve a lot of luck and a lot of tough, grind-it-out performances.  

Enumerating all of the things that have been troubling the team for quite a while now and saying, "you never know, those things might suddenly change, that's why they play the game," is kind of silly.  E.g. Rondo is not going to spontaneously heal and learn to shoot, Glen Davis is not going to morph into a young Charles Barkely, and so on.

Rather, what we can hope is that many of the shots that didn't fall last night will fall, that the calls will tend to go our way more than they have, that the Celtics will manage to execute late in the game, that Lebron and Wade won't sink so many outside jumpers, that KG can contain Bosh and still score, and so on.

I dont hope for anything buddy.

I simply said no mater what skeptics or optimists say, the players play the game for a reason.
And yeah, Rondo can play like Rondo, he doesnt have to shoot to be effective. Glen davis just needs to be glen davis like he has been the past 3 years, and not the last month. Celtics need to execute, whats so unrealsonable to beleive a team that has been together for 4 years can execute? Whats so hard to believe that mabye Wade and Lebron wont hit circus shots?

I didnt express my beliefs on this game in this thread, i was just simnply stating that they have to play the game for a reason and that reason is defiently not to prove skeptics right.

[Celticsfan336]

I am optimistic that Shaq might even be able to walk to the bench tomorrow. That is where my optimism ends. Series ends tomorrow night, but at least the Celts will go down fighting. Going to be huge changes in Boston and LA in the offseason.

Glad to know you didn't watch any game this series.

If the Celtics are 100% going to lose, don't watch the game. How can you call yourself a Celtics fan?

They can very well win this game. How can you say they can't? Never question the heart of a champion.

Who cares about Shaq? All we simply need is to execute, and have some players play like they are capable of. And like I said earlier, is it rediculous to think that mabye a team that has been together for 4 years can't execute, and a player who has been great for us the last 3 years can't play a good game [Glen Davis]

God, I'm going to stop talking because I dont wanna get banned. But seriously, go take your negativity elsewhere because your post had no analysis rather just a typical skeptic quote, "the series is 100% over."

They shouldnt even play the game right?

[BballTim]

I was pessimistic prior to the playoffs last year and through most of the second round because the team last year exhibited many extremely troubling characteristics that gave them a .500 record through the second half of the season and saddled them with the 4th seed.  

This year, it was clear by the latter portion of the season that those troubling characteristics were still there . . . and thus I expected more or less the same fate to befall the team as last year, whether in the second round or the Finals.

In other words, yes, I've been pessimistic about this team the last couple of years -- but I have been with good reason.

  If losing a close game 7 in the nba finals at least partly because of injuries confirms your pessimism then there's *always* a good reason to be pessimistic. Teams that are reasonably expected to do better than we did going into the playoffs are extremely rare if not non-existent.