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Idea: Get Igoudala
« on: May 10, 2011, 09:49:33 AM »

Offline Jeff

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I hate to do this when there's still life left on this team, but I can't resist a little knee jerk reaction here:

if Iggy is available, you gotta make a play for him.

http://articles.philly.com/2011-05-08/sports/29522777_1_sixers-coach-doug-collins-lou-williams-answer

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Iguodala has not asked Sixers management for a trade, but the team will be looking to trade him this summer.

Sixers coach Doug Collins has finally found a nucleus of guys - Thaddeus Young, Jrue Holiday, Lou Williams, and Jodie Meeks - who enjoy playing for the Sixers. Veteran power forward Elton Brand, in addition to having an anchor of a contract, serves as a complementary presence for those guys.

What Collins doesn't need is a borderline star answering questions vaguely about his desire to play for Collins' team. It's too much navigation at this stage of the building process, and Collins is too genuine to ignore Iguodala's half-statements and innuendo.

I think you could use Jeff Green in a sign-and-trade with Jermaine's expiring contract and get in the ballpark.

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Re: Idea: Get Igoudala
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2011, 09:52:16 AM »

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I don't think Phily has any interest in Jeff Green with Thaddeus Young already there.

It sounds like the Sixers are going to shop Iggy again this summer but I don't think Boston has what they are looking for, trade asset wise.

A non-starter. Unfortunately.

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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2011, 09:55:52 AM »

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Well, if you bring in Iggy, I think you have to make him a starter.  So it only makes sense if you also trade Ray Allen for some other pieces.  Also, I doubt the Sixers really need another tweener 3/4 when they already have Thaddeus Young, unless they'd want to play Thaddeus and Green together.

You also have to consider what bringing in Iggy would do to us moving forward; even if it gives the team a chance to compete next year (and I'm not certain that it does, though it improves things), it means we're saddled with him along with Rondo as part of the future.  To me, a team led by Rondo and Iggy is gonna be a team that wins 40-45ish games and never gets much beyond that plateau. 
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Re: Idea: Get Igoudala
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2011, 09:57:55 AM »

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I'm curious what Philly's goal in trading him is.  If they're just looking for basically a salary dump, then I could see Ray + Bradley + Clippers pick being of some interest to them.

Does that deal make us an elite contender?  If so, you have to make it, even if it does handcuff our cap going forward.


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I curious what Philly's goal in trading him is.  If they're just looking for basically a salary dump, then I could see Ray + Bradley + Clippers pick being of some interest to them.

I don't want to give up Bradley and the Clippers pick yet; there are bigger names that will be moved in the next ten months, and that's basically all we have for trade assets.

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I'm curious what Philly's goal in trading him is.  If they're just looking for basically a salary dump, then I could see Ray + Bradley + Clippers pick being of some interest to them.

Does that deal make us an elite contender?  If so, you have to make it, even if it does handcuff our cap going forward.

I would gladly make that deal.
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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2011, 10:09:04 AM »

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My idea:
Trade Iggy for Rondo
And start Iggy at point guard

We can create so much mismatches with that lineup

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2011, 10:10:28 AM »

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I curious what Philly's goal in trading him is.  If they're just looking for basically a salary dump, then I could see Ray + Bradley + Clippers pick being of some interest to them.

I don't want to give up Bradley and the Clippers pick yet; there are bigger names that will be moved in the next ten months, and that's basically all we have for trade assets.

I tend to agree.  I really like Andre Iguodala a lot, but I'm not sure that the Celtics suddenly become a top contender with him starting at SG instead of Ray.  We add athleticism, defense, rebounding, and slashing to the wing, but we lose our best outside threat.  Iggy is also not a much better scorer than Ray, even at this stage of their respective careers. 

With Iggy's lack of shooting, I'd wonder what would happen to the spacing of our starting unit, especially as Kevin appears to be losing consistency on his jumpshot as his legs become gradually less reliable.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2011, 10:17:02 AM »

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I curious what Philly's goal in trading him is.  If they're just looking for basically a salary dump, then I could see Ray + Bradley + Clippers pick being of some interest to them.

I don't want to give up Bradley and the Clippers pick yet; there are bigger names that will be moved in the next ten months, and that's basically all we have for trade assets.

I tend to agree.  I really like Andre Iguodala a lot, but I'm not sure that the Celtics suddenly become a top contender with him starting at SG instead of Ray.  We add athleticism, defense, rebounding, and slashing to the wing, but we lose our best outside threat.  Iggy is also not a much better scorer than Ray, even at this stage of their respective careers. 

With Iggy's lack of shooting, I'd wonder what would happen to the spacing of our starting unit, especially as Kevin appears to be losing consistency on his jumpshot as his legs become gradually less reliable.

I agree.  I think we could get more than just Iggy for that package....

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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2011, 10:26:54 AM »

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I agree.  I think we could get more than just Iggy for that package....

Let's remember what we're talking about:

* Avery Bradley ->  mediocre to poor prospect
* Late lottery to mid-round pick -> most likely a mediocre prospect
* A $10 million expiring deal

What package that is significantly better than Iggy are we going to land for that package?  I've got to think that that's nowhere near enough for any of the big names that could come on the market:  CP3, Howard, Gasol, etc.

Now, if we add in Rondo that opens up some more possibilities.  However, Bradley and the Clippers pick aren't, in my mind, as valuable as many of us would like.


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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2011, 10:32:08 AM »

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I agree.  I think we could get more than just Iggy for that package....

Let's remember what we're talking about:

* Avery Bradley ->  mediocre to poor prospect
* Late lottery to mid-round pick -> most likely a mediocre prospect
* A $10 million expiring deal

What package that is significantly better than Iggy are we going to land for that package?  I've got to think that that's nowhere near enough for any of the big names that could come on the market:  CP3, Howard, Gasol, etc.

Now, if we add in Rondo that opens up some more possibilities.  However, Bradley and the Clippers pick aren't, in my mind, as valuable as many of us would like.

I agree that they have only marginal value, but if you combine them with Rondo, as you said, then there are a lot more possibilities that open up.  I'd want to consider those.
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 10:41:20 AM »

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I agree.  I think we could get more than just Iggy for that package....

Let's remember what we're talking about:

* Avery Bradley ->  mediocre to poor prospect
* Late lottery to mid-round pick -> most likely a mediocre prospect
* A $10 million expiring deal

What package that is significantly better than Iggy are we going to land for that package?  I've got to think that that's nowhere near enough for any of the big names that could come on the market:  CP3, Howard, Gasol, etc.

Now, if we add in Rondo that opens up some more possibilities.  However, Bradley and the Clippers pick aren't, in my mind, as valuable as many of us would like.

I think the Sixers would do that package.  I'm not sure the deal improves our title hopes given we lose Ray, as Posimpos mentioned.  In the meantime, you gamble by trading the pick imo.  I really believe a pick from 11 to 14 next year could be a future all-star.  The high school player of the year is currently ranked around 10th by two major draft sites due to the returning players from this year and all the other talent out there....

There's no guarantee the Clippers pick turns out great, but I doubt Danny would have given up Perk if he didn't value it more highly than shifting from Ray to Iggy and losing AB as well....

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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2011, 10:58:07 AM »

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I like the thinking, and in another thread Roy floated Ray Allen (and parts) to the Sixers for Iggy and Hawes. Wishful, but I don't think the Sixers have much use for Ray, though I think Ray is an asset. One way it might shake out is a three way between Bulls, Sixers and Cs, where Ray goes to Chicago, Luol Deng goes to the Sixers, and Iggy goes to the Cs. There's a lot of other pieces that would need to be included to make that framework fit contracts wise, and likely some picks, but I think that essential swap of all three would work well for what each team needs going forward.

If that shook out, I could also see a Rondo-CP3 swap because I think, despite CP3's injury history, his game is going to age better than Rondo's, which is clearly heavily built around his speed. Once Rondo loses a step, what's he going do? And given how frequently he gets hammered, and how many games he's played in the post-season, how long has he got his legs? I wouldn't take it for granted tho that CP3 will want out of New Orleans. Probable, given ownership all the franchise's uncertainty, but not necessarily definite.

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I bet Philly is looking for someone to absorb Iggy and give them a lottery pick.

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Ahhh would love Iggy in Boston!