Blow it up?

[Jon]

I also wouldn't overvalue the potential playing time that our young players could have if we got rid of the Big Three.  

Antoine Walker had tons of playing time in 1996 on the 15-67 Boston Celtics.  All that taught him to do was jack up ridiculous shots.  

How much do you think the Bobcats' young players learned this year getting the crap knocked out of them on a nightly basis?  

I think our young players can learn more from seeing the game played the right way and playing in a system where defense and unselfishness wins games.  

[colincb]

This needs to happen, tell KG it's been a great ride but it's time to let it end. If he wants to win another ring it won't be here, have him go to a team like Miami, Clippers, anywhere but the Lakers!

We need a good big man I propose a deal of where we maximize the value of Rondo in which we give up
Rondo, 21 22 and S&T Bass for Tyreke Evans and the #5 which would be used on Drummond. I'm confident that Doc could straighten out Evans and make him an all star...if Rondo could learn an okay jump shot then imagine what they could do for him. Seriously though I would rather have Paul DWill Westbrook definitely over Rondo and after the playoffs I'm not sure he's THAT much better than Chalmers on offense. He's not overpaid but he's not someone you build your team around.

The next thing you do is try to extract Big Al from Utah for Pierce and future considerations

PG-Evans
SG-Bradley
SF-Green
PF-Big Al
C- Drummond

Let the kids play!!! We're not going to win next year no matter what so might as well get a jump on building towards the next dynasty!!!!

I don't give a crap about letting the kids play and the team you managed to come up with is mediocrity personified sucking up cap space, the worst place to be if you want to build a championship.

[tyrone biggums]

This needs to happen, tell KG it's been a great ride but it's time to let it end. If he wants to win another ring it won't be here, have him go to a team like Miami, Clippers, anywhere but the Lakers!

We need a good big man I propose a deal of where we maximize the value of Rondo in which we give up
Rondo, 21 22 and S&T Bass for Tyreke Evans and the #5 which would be used on Drummond. I'm confident that Doc could straighten out Evans and make him an all star...if Rondo could learn an okay jump shot then imagine what they could do for him. Seriously though I would rather have Paul DWill Westbrook definitely over Rondo and after the playoffs I'm not sure he's THAT much better than Chalmers on offense. He's not overpaid but he's not someone you build your team around.

The next thing you do is try to extract Big Al from Utah for Pierce and future considerations

PG-Evans
SG-Bradley
SF-Green
PF-Big Al
C- Drummond

Let the kids play!!! We're not going to win next year no matter what so might as well get a jump on building towards the next dynasty!!!!

I don't give a crap about letting the kids play and the team you managed to come up with is mediocrity personified sucking up cap space, the worst place to be if you want to build a championship.

I honestly feel MKG could be a franchise player, not Drummond so much. If his lineup had him at SG over Drummond at PF/C then that would be pretty good for the future.

Looking at it say for instance we trade Rondo in the posters deal you get

Tyreke Evans and MKG for the 2 1sts and Rondo the lineup would look like this

PG- Evans
SG- MKG (I don't know if Pierce can play the 2 for 40+ minutes)
SF- Pierce
PF- KG
C - Ummm Kaman? Dalembert? Camby? RondoHondo? Who freaking knows...

6th man: Ray Allen or Bradley (If Allen doesn't resign)

It looks a little better than what I first thought, I still wouldn't do it but we wouldn't be completely effed by that deal. However I feel Rondo is the core component to this team and shouldn't be dealt, period. I don't want the squad blown up

[T-LoDaniels]

If you're delusional and believe that the Celtics reloaded can beat the Miami Heat as presently constructed...I dunno what to tell you.

They need to get younger and faster and not only that but from the looks of the finals Chalmers is closing the gap on Rondo quickly, which is one of the big reasons we need to gamble and trade Rondo at his peak because his value will never be higher. If you can use Rondo to get an elite prospect like MKG or Drummond MAKE THE DEAL!!!!

Sacremento would be a good place for Rondo, him and Cousins would be a lethal combo. Please blow it up I would love to see MKG or Drummond on the court at the Garden for the next decade.

To clarify I'm not saying Chalmers is better than Rondo at all...Im saying he's improving to the point where the Big 3 in Miami are virtually unbeatable when healthy.

Getting an elite prospect and Tyreke Evans who has super star potential would be an amazing haul

Tyreke does not = Elite prospect and does not have super star potential. He has actually regressed since his rookie year and was probably the Kings' FOURTH best player this last season (after Cousins, Thornton and Isiah Thomas). And in just in case you didn't know, the Kings were pretty horrible. Do yourself a favor and go to the Kings' fansites. They'll laugh in your face if you think Evans has "super star potential"

This post should be locked up in a box somewhere and never be mentioned again. Just.. Absolutely Ridiculous

[tyrone biggums]

If you're delusional and believe that the Celtics reloaded can beat the Miami Heat as presently constructed...I dunno what to tell you.

They need to get younger and faster and not only that but from the looks of the finals Chalmers is closing the gap on Rondo quickly, which is one of the big reasons we need to gamble and trade Rondo at his peak because his value will never be higher. If you can use Rondo to get an elite prospect like MKG or Drummond MAKE THE DEAL!!!!

Sacremento would be a good place for Rondo, him and Cousins would be a lethal combo. Please blow it up I would love to see MKG or Drummond on the court at the Garden for the next decade.

To clarify I'm not saying Chalmers is better than Rondo at all...Im saying he's improving to the point where the Big 3 in Miami are virtually unbeatable when healthy.

Getting an elite prospect and Tyreke Evans who has super star potential would be an amazing haul

Tyreke does not = Elite prospect and does not have super star potential. He has actually regressed since his rookie year and was probably the Kings' FOURTH best player this last season (after Cousins, Thornton and Isiah Thomas). And in just in case you didn't know, the Kings were pretty horrible. Do yourself a favor and go to the Kings' fansites. They'll laugh in your face if you think Evans has "super star potential"

This post should be locked up in a box somewhere and never be mentioned again. Just.. Absolutely Ridiculous

Sad part is, this post seems like a carbon copy of some of the "Trade Rondo" posters have been making since the season ended. Only difference is that this guy didn't include Bradley in his proposals...

[cb8883]

Terrible...first they don't want to part with Bradley to trade up in the draft, they want to keep a flawed point guard in Rondo...and now Danny passes on a potential franchise changing power forward? Please tell me there is a trade in the works! Then Danny goes out and gets BBD's less athletic cousin who probably needs back surgery, oh and the exact opposite of a brain surgeon to defend the paint.

If KG and Ray don't come back I'll be happy though, gets us to the lottery quicker and that's the silver lining. All we need to do is trade Rondo off for a young PG and a lottery pick next year...huge blunder by Ainge not to cash in Rondo's value at an all time high!

[GreenFaith1819]

Nope - especially after last night.

Danny worked his mojo again last night. He is obviously loading this team up for at least another run.

Fabulous Melo and Jared Under-rated will be a BIG part of that run.

Can't wait for November - can't wait.

Jared will start making those 20 teams that passed on him PAY.

If that man doesn't have a chip on his shoulder after last night, he'd better get one.

[tyrone biggums]

Terrible...first they don't want to part with Bradley to trade up in the draft, they want to keep a flawed point guard in Rondo...and now Danny passes on a potential franchise changing power forward? Please tell me there is a trade in the works! Then Danny goes out and gets BBD's less athletic cousin who probably needs back surgery, oh and the exact opposite of a brain surgeon to defend the paint.

If KG and Ray don't come back I'll be happy though, gets us to the lottery quicker and that's the silver lining. All we need to do is trade Rondo off for a young PG and a lottery pick next year...huge blunder by Ainge not to cash in Rondo's value at an all time high!

What are you expecting the Celtics to get for Rondo that would be worth trading a franchise PG for?

[cb8883]

Terrible...first they don't want to part with Bradley to trade up in the draft, they want to keep a flawed point guard in Rondo...and now Danny passes on a potential franchise changing power forward? Please tell me there is a trade in the works! Then Danny goes out and gets BBD's less athletic cousin who probably needs back surgery, oh and the exact opposite of a brain surgeon to defend the paint.

If KG and Ray don't come back I'll be happy though, gets us to the lottery quicker and that's the silver lining. All we need to do is trade Rondo off for a young PG and a lottery pick next year...huge blunder by Ainge not to cash in Rondo's value at an all time high!

What are you expecting the Celtics to get for Rondo that would be worth trading a franchise PG for?

I was hoping Danny would be smart and get younger with Sacrementos pick and Tyreke Evans ...apparently not the case at all!

-KG's contract is a joke, 3 years???!!! We're supposed to get younger and athletic?! How the hell is this team going to match up with LeBron and Wade? Now Ray is getting 2 years 12 million maybe? I hope for the C's sake he goes to the Heat and then we move Bass for the OJ Mayo show. I'd give Mayo 7-8 million over 4 years to have him as Rondo's running mate I'm convinced he can duplicate his potential that he showed at USC. He had a great rookie year too and is the speedster the Celtics need to run with Rondo.

-Do not sign Ray...Don't bring back the same core...I wish we traded Rondo, amnestied Pierce, and let KG go to Miami or retirement or somewhere...we should be having a youth movement and not trying to be like San Antonio which worked very well in the WCF against a more athletic Thunder squad. Mediocrity here we come! I'll love this team no matter what but lets be honest how many teams ever won anything putting all their money into a bunch of guys in their mid to late 30s? 7th to 8th seed at best...Should have blown it up Danny.

[tyrone biggums]

Terrible...first they don't want to part with Bradley to trade up in the draft, they want to keep a flawed point guard in Rondo...and now Danny passes on a potential franchise changing power forward? Please tell me there is a trade in the works! Then Danny goes out and gets BBD's less athletic cousin who probably needs back surgery, oh and the exact opposite of a brain surgeon to defend the paint.

If KG and Ray don't come back I'll be happy though, gets us to the lottery quicker and that's the silver lining. All we need to do is trade Rondo off for a young PG and a lottery pick next year...huge blunder by Ainge not to cash in Rondo's value at an all time high!

What are you expecting the Celtics to get for Rondo that would be worth trading a franchise PG for?

I was hoping Danny would be smart and get younger with Sacrementos pick and Tyreke Evans ...apparently not the case at all!

-KG's contract is a joke, 3 years???!!! We're supposed to get younger and athletic?! How the hell is this team going to match up with LeBron and Wade? Now Ray is getting 2 years 12 million maybe? I hope for the C's sake he goes to the Heat and then we move Bass for the OJ Mayo show. I'd give Mayo 7-8 million over 4 years to have him as Rondo's running mate I'm convinced he can duplicate his potential that he showed at USC. He had a great rookie year too and is the speedster the Celtics need to run with Rondo.

-Do not sign Ray...Don't bring back the same core...I wish we traded Rondo, amnestied Pierce, and let KG go to Miami or retirement or somewhere...we should be having a youth movement and not trying to be like San Antonio which worked very well in the WCF against a more athletic Thunder squad. Mediocrity here we come! I'll love this team no matter what but lets be honest how many teams ever won anything putting all their money into a bunch of guys in their mid to late 30s? 7th to 8th seed at best...Should have blown it up Danny.

My birthday wish is for this thread to be locked and for everyone to just enjoy this team and the run they're going to have this year!

[Roy H.]

I wish we traded Rondo, amnestied Pierce, and let KG go to Miami or retirement or somewhere...we should be having a youth movement

Why the rush to turn into the Charlotte Bobcats, or the Pistons, or the Kings?  Look around the NBA, and see how hopeless a "youth movement" is the vast majority of the time.  You end up losing a ton of games, the owners end up losing a lot of money, and for what?  The hope that your team will someday be good enough to be in the conference finals?

Our team is already as successful as most rebuilding squads will ever be.  When you've got a chance at a title, I think the proper step is to maximize your chances and hope things go your way.

[SHAQATTACK]

I wish we traded Rondo, amnestied Pierce, and let KG go to Miami or retirement or somewhere...we should be having a youth movement

Why the rush to turn into the Charlotte Bobcats, or the Pistons, or the Kings?  Look around the NBA, and see how hopeless a "youth movement" is the vast majority of the time.  You end up losing a ton of games, the owners end up losing a lot of money, and for what?  The hope that your team will someday be good enough to be in the conference finals?

Our team is already as successful as most rebuilding squads will ever be.  When you've got a chance at a title, I think the proper step is to maximize your chances and hope things go your way.

I agree... A slow calulated progression to the "NEXT" core is a wise plan.  The team core when healthy is fun , competitive to watch , and several are H O F guys when they retire.   AS long as they put on a good show and we can reload at the same time. Then its ok with me.  Little something for everybody.

I see the laker fans complaining as well. It would be hard to upgrade from what they already have as well. I guess its a very young crowd posting. 

I don't have to have the latest and greatest johnny come lately LBJ on this team to be a Celtics fan.

[CoachBo]

I wish we traded Rondo, amnestied Pierce, and let KG go to Miami or retirement or somewhere...we should be having a youth movement

Why the rush to turn into the Charlotte Bobcats, or the Pistons, or the Kings?  Look around the NBA, and see how hopeless a "youth movement" is the vast majority of the time.  You end up losing a ton of games, the owners end up losing a lot of money, and for what?  The hope that your team will someday be good enough to be in the conference finals?

Our team is already as successful as most rebuilding squads will ever be.  When you've got a chance at a title, I think the proper step is to maximize your chances and hope things go your way.

People just love to obsess on the Internet over the unproven players, some apprarently more than actually winning games.

For five years, while we've enjoyed one of the better eras in franchise history, this board has been a veritable treasure trove of "Bring back" threads: Big Al No D, Delonte West, who came back and accomplished nothing, and of course, the name who just won't go away, Gerald Green. The affection for that putrid team and the basketball Abbotts and Costellos who made it up defies common sense.

We went the blow it up route once. The franchise put arguably its second worst team in history on the floor as a result, and the only reason we're still not bemoaning that is because Kevin McHale and Sam Presti were selling off HOFers in the summer of 2007 for pennies on the dollar.

I always laugh at the "assets" word. Only half accurate. Ainge was in the right place at the right time at two fire sales; otherwise no way he turns that collection of flotsam and jetsam into a champion.

[All Star Matt Clement]

i don't think you'll see a full blown youth movement like in 2006-2007 when we relied heavily on the likes of Delonte, TA, Marcus Banks, Telfair, etc. The Celtics matter in a big way again and I think ownership for marketing reasons would find it difficult admit defeat before the season starts and go into rebuilding mode.  If we let Ray and Bass go, this is probably as much "blowing it up" as you'll see the Celtics engage in

[tyrone biggums]

I wish we traded Rondo, amnestied Pierce, and let KG go to Miami or retirement or somewhere...we should be having a youth movement

Why the rush to turn into the Charlotte Bobcats, or the Pistons, or the Kings?  Look around the NBA, and see how hopeless a "youth movement" is the vast majority of the time.  You end up losing a ton of games, the owners end up losing a lot of money, and for what?  The hope that your team will someday be good enough to be in the conference finals?

Our team is already as successful as most rebuilding squads will ever be.  When you've got a chance at a title, I think the proper step is to maximize your chances and hope things go your way.

People just love to obsess on the Internet over the unproven players, some apprarently more than actually winning games.

For five years, while we've enjoyed one of the better eras in franchise history, this board has been a veritable treasure trove of "Bring back" threads: Big Al No D, Delonte West, who came back and accomplished nothing, and of course, the name who just won't go away, Gerald Green. The affection for that putrid team and the basketball Abbotts and Costellos who made it up defies common sense.

We went the blow it up route once. The franchise put arguably its second worst team in history on the floor as a result, and the only reason we're still not bemoaning that is because Kevin McHale and Sam Presti were selling off HOFers in the summer of 2007 for pennies on the dollar.

I always laugh at the "assets" word. Only half accurate. Ainge was in the right place at the right time at two fire sales; otherwise no way he turns that collection of flotsam and jetsam into a champion.

At times you wonder if the majority of people would have been happier if this Big 3 ERA never happened and G-Money and Big Al were still on the court fighting for the 8th seed and missing defensive assignments in Coach X's system (Rivers would have been canned or left)