Why not Avery Bradley

[thirstyboots18]

I think it could be worth a shot.  Are we really going to roll out Carlos Arroyo against the team who CUT him already this season??  I mean, I know the answer would turn out to be yes.  But how does that sound like a remotely good idea when put in those terms?

Arroyo has to have a chip on his shoulder...  Look at how many times players cut by the Celtics have come back to bite them.  He was a starter for Miami who got cut to make room for the (gag) "Big Thrip" (gag)

[Chris]

You got a point that Bradley needs to improve greatly
But his game is a mirror image of Rose

And ball-handling for Rose is average at best. Speed and quickness are a big part of the way he gets by people

That must be one heck of a funhouse mirror.  While I understand how you are comparing styles, that is like saying Brian Scalabrine is a mirror image of Larry Bird.  

Similar styles, but the skill levels are just nowhere close.  

Also, I am not sure how you can say Rose's ball handling is average at best.  He is one of the best in the league.  Rose also has a first step that Bradley can only dream of, has a much stronger court sense, and is about 100 times better at finishing in traffic.  

Yes, they are both athletic freaks, who are more scorers than passers, but beyond that, there is just nothing similar IMO.

[snowball]

Avery Bradley matches up very poorly against
the Heat. His quickness is nullified, and his
inexperience is accentuated.
Bradley is only good against unathletic, poor
ball handlers. He's an adept turnover artist,
a poor shotmaker, and an unestablished facilitator.

Frankly I do not like him as a player.

[OsirusCeltics]

You got a point that Bradley needs to improve greatly
But his game is a mirror image of Rose

And ball-handling for Rose is average at best. Speed and quickness are a big part of the way he gets by people

That must be one heck of a funhouse mirror.  While I understand how you are comparing styles, that is like saying Brian Scalabrine is a mirror image of Larry Bird.  

Similar styles, but the skill levels are just nowhere close.  

Also, I am not sure how you can say Rose's ball handling is average at best.  He is one of the best in the league.  Rose also has a first step that Bradley can only dream of, has a much stronger court sense, and is about 100 times better at finishing in traffic.  

Yes, they are both athletic freaks, who are more scorers than passers, but beyond that, there is just nothing similar IMO.

Rose is getting way too much hype. Bradley does actually have a pretty good first step, its just that he never plays for people to recognize it

And Rose is not good at finishing in traffic, as evidence showed in last night's Hawks game. Lost the ball a plethora of type and cause too many turnovers. Bumping into defenders hoping for a foul

He had a great 44 points in game 3, but the Hawks defense was horrible. Had horrible help defense whenever Rose drove the lane. Game 4 was a different story

Of course Rose is more skilled than Bradley, hes MVP. But the same thing people criticize Avery for, Rose has the same weaknesses

[OsirusCeltics]

Avery Bradley matches up very poorly against
the Heat. His quickness is nullified, and his
inexperience is accentuated.
Bradley is only good against unathletic, poor
ball handlers. He's an adept turnover artist,
a poor shotmaker, and an unestablished facilitator.

Frankly I do not like him as a player.

I think Chalmers and Bibby aren't that athletic, so it might help him there

[Greenbean]

You got a point that Bradley needs to improve greatly
But his game is a mirror image of Rose

And ball-handling for Rose is average at best. Speed and quickness are a big part of the way he gets by people

That must be one heck of a funhouse mirror.  While I understand how you are comparing styles, that is like saying Brian Scalabrine is a mirror image of Larry Bird.  

Similar styles, but the skill levels are just nowhere close.  

Also, I am not sure how you can say Rose's ball handling is average at best.  He is one of the best in the league.  Rose also has a first step that Bradley can only dream of, has a much stronger court sense, and is about 100 times better at finishing in traffic.  

Yes, they are both athletic freaks, who are more scorers than passers, but beyond that, there is just nothing similar IMO.

Rose is getting way too much hype. Bradley does actually have a pretty good first step, its just that he never plays for people to recognize it

And Rose is not good at finishing in traffic, as evidence showed in last night's Hawks game. Lost the ball a plethora of type and cause too many turnovers. Bumping into defenders hoping for a foul

He had a great 44 points in game 3, but the Hawks defense was horrible. Had horrible help defense whenever Rose drove the lane. Game 4 was a different story

Of course Rose is more skilled than Bradley, hes MVP. But the same thing people criticize Avery for, Rose has the same weaknesses

Do you watch Derrick Rose play?

He is one of if not the best finisher in traffic in the game.

Rose is getting overhyped for sure but you are underselling him by a mile.

[guava_wrench]

You got a point that Bradley needs to improve greatly
But his game is a mirror image of Rose

And ball-handling for Rose is average at best. Speed and quickness are a big part of the way he gets by people

That must be one heck of a funhouse mirror.  While I understand how you are comparing styles, that is like saying Brian Scalabrine is a mirror image of Larry Bird.  

Similar styles, but the skill levels are just nowhere close.  

Also, I am not sure how you can say Rose's ball handling is average at best.  He is one of the best in the league.  Rose also has a first step that Bradley can only dream of, has a much stronger court sense, and is about 100 times better at finishing in traffic.  

Yes, they are both athletic freaks, who are more scorers than passers, but beyond that, there is just nothing similar IMO.

Rose is getting way too much hype. Bradley does actually have a pretty good first step, its just that he never plays for people to recognize it

And Rose is not good at finishing in traffic, as evidence showed in last night's Hawks game. Lost the ball a plethora of type and cause too many turnovers. Bumping into defenders hoping for a foul

He had a great 44 points in game 3, but the Hawks defense was horrible. Had horrible help defense whenever Rose drove the lane. Game 4 was a different story

Of course Rose is more skilled than Bradley, hes MVP. But the same thing people criticize Avery for, Rose has the same weaknesses

Rose is the reason their defense was terrible. He was too quick.

[wdleehi]

He is not ready. 


He is the type of player that will be really hurt by a lock out. 

[Sizzlack]

He is not ready. 


He is the type of player that will be really hurt by a lock out. 

Agreed on that. We forget he missed the entire summer league and training camp. If there's a lock out and he misses another one, that will really, really hurt his development.

Far as this series goes, he's not ready for this. You can't take a guy like him and have him log his first playoff minutes in a crucial, do or die game 4.

In an emergency that Rondo or West really can't give you any minutes tonight, you gotta go with Arroyo. He might not be the best choice out there, but at least he's been there before, he's play in big games in the playoffs, and in international competition, and he's not going to cave under the pressure.

You're going to get the best Arroyo has to offer, of that there's no doubt. The sad truth is that "the best" for Arroyo is still just not really all that good.

[Chris]

He is not ready. 


He is the type of player that will be really hurt by a lock out. 

I am not sure I agree with this.  While I would prefer he was working out with the C's staff/players, if he gets with one of the better trainers to work on his game, it really shouldn't hurt him too much.

The thing about Bradley is that his fundamentals are very lacking.  He appears to be one of those guys who killed it in highschool based on his athleticism, but never really learned how to play properly.  So, when he got to college, he didn't have a great transition, because suddenly he wasn't dominating anymore, because he was facing guys with similar athleticism that also knew how to play the game.  Then, he had the same experience in the pros.

So, I think what he needs (and what the C's have been doing with him) is to basically relearn the game.  They are trying to break his bad habits, and teach him the proper way to play basketball. 

I still think he is a long way away from being a productive NBA player for this reason.  Until he can build that foundation, that most of these guys get when they are in highschool or even younger, he will not be able to fully take advantage of his natural gifts. 

So, to have an extra year, where he can basically lock himself up in a gym with a worldclass trainer, and just work on the basics, learning how to handle the ball better, and learning proper footwork (his footwork is pretty terrible on both sides of the ball, even though his feet are incredibly quick), rather than having to concentrate on getting ready for games, could be really good for his development. 

[RJ87]

As much as we all want him to be, Avery is not a PG. He just has no ball-handling skills, and doesn't quite have the intuitive court vision a PG needs.

Here's hoping he has another growth spurt in him and he can shoot up another 2 inches or so. Then he can slide on over to SG where he belongs.

Well you could say the same for Derrick Rose, and I think he's doing well in the NBA

HOnestly, I think Avery is better off the ball playing alongside Rondo. IMO that would be a great defensive backcourt

Derrick Rose is a terrific ball handler. He has the ball in his hands ALL the time and gets to any spot he wants to on the court. Also, his court vision is not elite, but it is pretty dang good. I strongly disagree with your point here.

IMO he has a shooting guard mentality. Score, score, score
He uses his athleticsm to mask his average ball-handling skills. with crossovers and blow-bye's. Can't dribble into traffic. All the things fans criticize about Avery, Rose does the same thing

Were definitely not going to come to agreement on this one.

Derrick Rose LIVES in traffic. How are his ballhandling skills average when he uses crossovers and blow bys? I dont get it. I see Rose dribbling through two three defenders at a time. In the trees.

I guess he doesnt have a traditional Bob Cousy dribble. He keepds the ball high, but he doesnt turn it over a ton.

Bradley is a turnover waiting to happen. He doesnt have the ball skills to get by his defender. He can hit pull up midrange jumpers and play defense. Asking him to do anything else gets him way out of his comfort zone at this point in his career.

Comparing Bradleys shortcomings to Derrick Rose's is a huge overstatement of Rose's flaws, and an understatement of Bradley's.

I like Bradley as a prospect but he has to work on hius game to be anything more than he is right now. A DNPCD in the playoffs.

I'm with Greenbean here, Derrick Rose is pretty darn good ball-handler. If he wasn't, his game would be vastly different.

As far as his "score-first" mentality, one can argue that he has to think that way; he's the best scoring option on his team by a significant margin (Boozer as the 2nd option closes the gap if he's playing consistently).

[action781]

I think it could be worth a shot.  Are we really going to roll out Carlos Arroyo against the team who CUT him already this season??  I mean, I know the answer would turn out to be yes.  But how does that sound like a remotely good idea when put in those terms?

Arroyo has to have a chip on his shoulder...  Look at how many times players cut by the Celtics have come back to bite them.  He was a starter for Miami who got cut to make room for the (gag) "Big Thrip" (gag)

How many?  I literally can't think of one.

Chauncey and JJ were traded by the celtics.  But there is an enormous difference between being traded and cut.  Arroyo was cut.  I'm racking my brain but can't find a single former celtics player that we cut who came back to bite us.

[Lucky17]

I think it could be worth a shot.  Are we really going to roll out Carlos Arroyo against the team who CUT him already this season??  I mean, I know the answer would turn out to be yes.  But how does that sound like a remotely good idea when put in those terms?

Arroyo has to have a chip on his shoulder...  Look at how many times players cut by the Celtics have come back to bite them.  He was a starter for Miami who got cut to make room for the (gag) "Big Thrip" (gag)

How many?  I literally can't think of one.

Chauncey and JJ were traded by the celtics.  But there is an enormous difference between being traded and cut.  Arroyo was cut.  I'm racking my brain but can't find a single former celtics player that we cut who came back to bite us.

Ben Wallace. Training camp invitee, did not make roster.

[Fortmax]

Doc is not being fair to the other deserving bench players. Avery should be playing if only to just play defense on Chalmers(who Danny refused to draft) as practice for Derrick Rose. Why would Doc think that way?

Yup, Doc's rotation suck !,He does not want to give more playing time on Kristic & Murphy to show that they deserve to play.

Doc is so stubborn on giving more playing time on Big Baby,but on this series against the    Heat,Davis is pathetic.

[j804]

wow we are now getting on Doc for not playing Krstic, I've about heard it all now