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Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #90 on: May 08, 2011, 12:40:51 PM »

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Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related


So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense.  

  Paul had a knee injury, you might not want him walking around. Seems a little different, but I'm no doctor.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player.

  So he drags Rondo down on purpose and he's fine with hurting Rondo but that doesn't meet your description of a dirty player? That's a fairly high threshold.


If a doctor thinks a player could be at risk walking around on an injured leg...he'll call for a chair.  If a doctor feels a player could be at risk due to passing out due to pain or other less visible symptom of an injury...he'll call for the chair.  Either way, they were both seemingly minor incidents, where chairs (usually reserved for more major incidents) were called for. We dont have any reason to think either player was responsible for the chairs to be called.  Both situations are comparable, and both players should be ridiculed or justified the same.

And yes...I think it takes more to be a dirty player. Dirty players try to injure people. Theres a big difference between "hurt" and "injure", and I dont think Wade intended to do either to Rondo. It was a freak injury.  The two players were tangled up.  Wade did most of the tangling, but Rondo wasn't just there trying to get free either.  Even if Rondo had his hands up in the air to get free, and Wade brought him down, I wouldnt have a big issue with it given the context (a pivotal game, in an overall physical playoff series, between two rivals).  Players are ALWAYS fine with hurting their opponents. That doesnt mean they TRY to injure them. It just means that if your opponent is hurt as a consequence of the 2 of you competing physically, it comes with the territory.  The play where Wades shoulder was hurt for example...do you really think the other team felt bad? Should they have?  Thats the nature of competing in contact sports.  Fact is, I dont remember anyone not currently losing to his team, ever saying that Dwayne Wade played dirty.  It should have been called a flagrant 1, but beyond that it should be a non issue.

the bottom line is, unnecessary contact after the play away from the ball is dirty, regardless of intent to injure


By that definition, anytime a player got in another players face and bumped heads, or pushed, would be a "dirty play"...I guess that would mean we'd have to add Pierce (and about 100 other players this year) to the list of "dirty players"  ::)


Those are dirty plays, including Pierce's "head brush" and players usually get technicals for them. That's what techs are for, and they keep the game in order and prevent further problems. Not giving techs to Wade for the crap he pulled earlier in the series has lead to his continued dirty play and eventually to Rondo's injury. Players have to be punished for dirty plays before things get worse.

By your definition, it's like saying we shouldn't punish small crimes because there are too many of them, just wait until someone commits grand larceny or murder first.  ::)

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #91 on: May 08, 2011, 12:52:53 PM »

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Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related


So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense. 

  Paul had a knee injury, you might not want him walking around. Seems a little different, but I'm no doctor.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player.

  So he drags Rondo down on purpose and he's fine with hurting Rondo but that doesn't meet your description of a dirty player? That's a fairly high threshold.


If a doctor thinks a player could be at risk walking around on an injured leg...he'll call for a chair.  If a doctor feels a player could be at risk due to passing out due to pain or other less visible symptom of an injury...he'll call for the chair.  Either way, they were both seemingly minor incidents, where chairs (usually reserved for more major incidents) were called for. We dont have any reason to think either player was responsible for the chairs to be called.  Both situations are comparable, and both players should be ridiculed or justified the same.

And yes...I think it takes more to be a dirty player. Dirty players try to injure people. Theres a big difference between "hurt" and "injure", and I dont think Wade intended to do either to Rondo. It was a freak injury.  The two players were tangled up.  Wade did most of the tangling, but Rondo wasn't just there trying to get free either.  Even if Rondo had his hands up in the air to get free, and Wade brought him down, I wouldnt have a big issue with it given the context (a pivotal game, in an overall physical playoff series, between two rivals).  Players are ALWAYS fine with hurting their opponents. That doesnt mean they TRY to injure them. It just means that if your opponent is hurt as a consequence of the 2 of you competing physically, it comes with the territory.  The play where Wades shoulder was hurt for example...do you really think the other team felt bad? Should they have?  Thats the nature of competing in contact sports.  Fact is, I dont remember anyone not currently losing to his team, ever saying that Dwayne Wade played dirty.  It should have been called a flagrant 1, but beyond that it should be a non issue.

the bottom line is, unnecessary contact after the play away from the ball is dirty, regardless of intent to injure


By that definition, anytime a player got in another players face and bumped heads, or pushed, would be a "dirty play"...I guess that would mean we'd have to add Pierce (and about 100 other players this year) to the list of "dirty players"  ::)


Those are dirty plays, including Pierce's "head brush" and players usually get technicals for them. That's what techs are for, and they keep the game in order and prevent further problems. Not giving techs to Wade for the crap he pulled earlier in the series has lead to his continued dirty play and eventually to Rondo's injury. Players have to be punished for dirty plays before things get worse. By your definition, it's like saying we shouldn't punish small crimes because there are too many of them, just wait until someone commits grand larceny or murder first.

The small crimes analogy doesnt work, because (among other reasons) players on both sides of the game want it to be played with as much contact as it is, while in a crime, only 1 side will see the benefit. 

If you really think Paul brushing heads with his opposition was a "dirty play", then our views on what constitutes "dirty" and what constitutes "competition" are probably too far removed from each other to really see eye to eye.  I've played sports my whole life and gotten in peoples faces hundreds of times. I don't think anyone has ever once considered me a "dirty player". 

I dont think Wade or Paul are dirty players (or weak in any way). I see them both (and Rondo, kg, etc) as fierce competitors, who give 100% mentally and physically, and see each game as a battle.  God forbid another Marquis Daniels situation happens, but I wouldn't change how the games have been played for anything.

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #92 on: May 08, 2011, 01:03:08 PM »

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As Much as im a huge Dwade fan i defended him all season but i have def lost alot of respect for him this series.. Hes been playin dirty since game 1 and after what he did last night yeah i believe he deserves a 1 game suspendion because he tried the same thing to pierce eariler in the game when pierce tried to block his dunk and then when he threw ray down after the rondo play.. Its uncalled for something needs to happen.

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #93 on: May 08, 2011, 01:07:27 PM »

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he deserves a flagrant 1.  

And given the foul not called a flagrant on Pierce, plus this one, you'd think they'd be watching him closer.  He could have got one for his non-basketball foul on Ray Allen, contrary to the announcers who called it "nothing".  I don't mind that not being called a flagrant however since I don't like make-up calls....nonetheless the foul on Ray was borderline..

Basically, I'd say he's had two fouls so far that should have been flagrant 1's.  Not a good job by the refs controlling D Wade.

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #94 on: May 08, 2011, 01:12:20 PM »

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This is crazy talk

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #95 on: May 08, 2011, 03:12:33 PM »

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Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related


So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense. 

  Paul had a knee injury, you might not want him walking around. Seems a little different, but I'm no doctor.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player.

  So he drags Rondo down on purpose and he's fine with hurting Rondo but that doesn't meet your description of a dirty player? That's a fairly high threshold.


If a doctor thinks a player could be at risk walking around on an injured leg...he'll call for a chair.  If a doctor feels a player could be at risk due to passing out due to pain or other less visible symptom of an injury...he'll call for the chair.  Either way, they were both seemingly minor incidents, where chairs (usually reserved for more major incidents) were called for. We dont have any reason to think either player was responsible for the chairs to be called.  Both situations are comparable, and both players should be ridiculed or justified the same.

  Haha. I don't think that people are disputing that Wade needed the chair because the pain was too much for him. If he'd have suffered the injury that kept Rondo out of the game for 7 minutes or so then he'd have probably needed CPR.

And yes...I think it takes more to be a dirty player. Dirty players try to injure people. Theres a big difference between "hurt" and "injure", and I dont think Wade intended to do either to Rondo. It was a freak injury.  The two players were tangled up.  Wade did most of the tangling, but Rondo wasn't just there trying to get free either.  Even if Rondo had his hands up in the air to get free, and Wade brought him down, I wouldnt have a big issue with it given the context (a pivotal game, in an overall physical playoff series, between two rivals).  Players are ALWAYS fine with hurting their opponents. That doesnt mean they TRY to injure them. It just means that if your opponent is hurt as a consequence of the 2 of you competing physically, it comes with the territory.  The play where Wades shoulder was hurt for example...do you really think the other team felt bad? Should they have?  Thats the nature of competing in contact sports.  Fact is, I dont remember anyone not currently losing to his team, ever saying that Dwayne Wade played dirty.  It should have been called a flagrant 1, but beyond that it should be a non issue.

  So it's only a dirty play if there's no doubt that there was intent to injure? Shoving someone into the stands or undercutting them in the air doesn't qualify because the player is only trying to hurt them and not injure them? Haha.

  It's not competing for the ball. It's not just dragging him to the ground. He slides one of his legs behind Rondo's feet and one in front so when he rolls over Rondo will automatically topple, and pulls him down to increase the force of his landing. Oh, and did I mention that he's 50-60 pounds heavier than Rondo? Classy.

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #96 on: May 08, 2011, 05:26:31 PM »

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Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #97 on: May 08, 2011, 05:49:04 PM »

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http://celticshub.com/2011/05/08/video-wade-escapes-condemnation/
I just watched the replay again.
If that wasn't an intentional take down I'm not a bipedal hominid with opposable thumbs.
Wade hooked Rondo with his arm and threw his leg behind rondo as he took him down.

Andrew Bynum just got ejected for a loud 4 arm shiver.
but the NBA won't even look at Wade's  PUNK move.


Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #98 on: May 08, 2011, 06:52:08 PM »

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It doesn't deserve a suspension at all. Flagrant perhaps, but I've seen Ray 'hook' people to the ground before.

It was just unfortunate that Rondo fell the wrong way.

I've never seen Ray hook someone to the ground with all his might after a whistle.

Wade was dirty all night and got EVERY possible call. Total disgrace

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #99 on: May 08, 2011, 08:57:12 PM »

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Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #100 on: May 08, 2011, 09:01:26 PM »

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Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #101 on: May 08, 2011, 09:08:30 PM »

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it was dirty as it gets. wade has done this all series..pulling players down when he gets beat

True that, if it was Delonte pulling Wade down or something, it'd be an automatic flagrant.

There was no need to carry on or tangle up when you lose the ball.

I don't see why people think that there was no need to carry on, Rondo himself was trying to get to the ball. The whistle came just about when they fell.

It was an obvious dirty play, on a play where there was little chance of either of them getting to the ball, but we don't have to rationalize the dirtiness of the play just because the play had ended. Players have a right to try and go to the ball regardless of how futile it seems, that's what we call playing hard and go after every loose ball.

I meant there was no point carrying on from DWade, because "boxing out and tangling up" is not part of basketball when a player is going for loose ball....unless dwade is going for the ball too, he had no right to box out...and that's what i meant
Anything is possible!!!

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #102 on: May 08, 2011, 09:22:13 PM »

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and not only is the league sitting on their hands, but they've also got ESPN showing the highlight with a very convenient bit of editing, one that only shows the fall -- not the leg-sweep takedown.

And guess what press conference clips they cherry picked?

the one where Bron calls the reporter 'retarted' for asking if it was a dirty play?  nope
the one where Wade scoffs at the idea of his taking a cheap shot?  Nope

Some BS line about respect for the Celts.  Clicked over on ESPN2, you guessed it, all the DWade highlight dunks from the post season....  white wash complete

ABC, ESPN and David Stearn run this league together like a corprate version of Aaron Spelling

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #103 on: May 08, 2011, 09:53:59 PM »

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LOL @ "the leg sweep takedowm". Give me a break guys. Wades leg slipped while he was going down.  His back was to Rondo the entire time. You really think it's reasonable to say that he planned his leg to end up catching Rondos legs from that position? 

Are you guys ignoring the fact that Rondos left hand was holding wades jersey and his right elbow was holding wades arm?  I guess that was an "elbow lock" takedown by Rondo? lol.  It was just a basketball play that ended bad.  The more I watched the replays, the more obvious it is. Both players were holding each other. Both were in the wrong. People are just making a big deal because Rondo got hurt. The whistle to end the play wasn't even blown until they were both already on the ground.

Re: Wade deserves a 1 game suspension
« Reply #104 on: May 08, 2011, 10:02:15 PM »

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LOL @ "the leg sweep takedowm". Give me a break guys. Wades leg slipped while he was going down.  His back was to Rondo the entire time. You really think it's reasonable to say that he planned his leg to end up catching Rondos legs from that position? 

Are you guys ignoring the fact that Rondos left hand was holding wades jersey and his right elbow was holding wades arm?  I guess that was an "elbow lock" takedown by Rondo? lol.  It was just a basketball play that ended bad.  The more I watched the replays, the more obvious it is. Both players were holding each other. Both were in the wrong. People are just making a big deal because Rondo got hurt. The whistle to end the play wasn't even blown until they were both already on the ground.

This couldn't be more wrong. He did hook him, he pulled him down with  intent to hurt or get inside his head and hope that rondo retaliates. 

How you can even try and defend that play is beyond me. 
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