Wade deserves a 1 game suspension

[BudweiserCeltic]

it was dirty as it gets. wade has done this all series..pulling players down when he gets beat

True that, if it was Delonte pulling Wade down or something, it'd be an automatic flagrant.

There was no need to carry on or tangle up when you lose the ball.

I don't see why people think that there was no need to carry on, Rondo himself was trying to get to the ball. The whistle came just about when they fell.

It was an obvious dirty play, on a play where there was little chance of either of them getting to the ball, but we don't have to rationalize the dirtiness of the play just because the play had ended. Players have a right to try and go to the ball regardless of how futile it seems, that's what we call playing hard and go after every loose ball.

[BballTim]

  Kind of amusing that one of his teammates is Chris Bosh who feels that players should refrain for diving for loose balls that are near Bosh's legs because he might get injured on the play.

[Thruthelookingglass]

I missed the third quarter but in replays I've seen, after the play Wade looks disinterestly at Rondo next to him, accepts a hand up from another Miami player, and then just wanders away like it was just another play.  Did he ever come over to own up to what he had caused?

It may just be fan emotion, but seeing that blase' look on Wade's face I wished that The Chief had been there to "help him up."

[Eddie20]

Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related

[Thruthelookingglass]

Someone needs to make sure Wade's teammates see this video . . .

Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related

[dtrader]

Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related

So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense.  We defended the PP wheelchair incident, saying it wasn't him who called for the chair, but that the training staff brought it out and told him to get on...it's only reasonable to say the same thing for Wade.  If you try to say Wade is a punk for using a wheelchair, you're saying the same thing for the captain.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player. No player has ever accused Wade of playing dirty. Every game, wade and lebron drive down the lane, and we call for someone to "hit them", and make them think twice. The playoffs are about enforcement and physicality as much as anything else. It has to go both ways.

[incoherent]

Wades Foul should be upgraded to flagrant 1.

It won't be though.

End of thread.

[BballTim]

Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related

So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense. 

  Paul had a knee injury, you might not want him walking around. Seems a little different, but I'm no doctor.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player.

  So he drags Rondo down on purpose and he's fine with hurting Rondo but that doesn't meet your description of a dirty player? That's a fairly high threshold.

[Spilling Green Dye]

When it happened I just thought they both fell to the ground, but after watching the replays today it is obviously a very dirty play.

After Rondo poked the ball away and it went out of bounds both players had stood up and were balanced... but Wade kept going, hooked Rondo, and took him to the ground in a direction that neither were headed in the play.  

I'm not an advocate of suspending anyone, but I would like for that play to be acknowledged by the league as a dirty play and upgraded to a Flagrant.  I don't think Wade wanted to hurt Rondo, but he clearly kept the play going and took Rondo to the ground.

[Eddie20]

Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related

So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense.  We defended the PP wheelchair incident, saying it wasn't him who called for the chair, but that the training staff brought it out and told him to get on...it's only reasonable to say the same thing for Wade.  If you try to say Wade is a punk for using a wheelchair, you're saying the same thing for the captain.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player. No player has ever accused Wade of playing dirty. Every game, wade and lebron drive down the lane, and we call for someone to "hit them", and make them think twice. The playoffs are about enforcement and physicality as much as anything else. It has to go both ways.

Pierce had a lower leg injury and like you said, Lacerte called for the chair because Pierce said he heard something "pop". Wade suffered a shoulder injury and was carted off due to the amount of pain. Ironically, this was around the same time the annoying commercial below was running. Very hard to take Wade's "toughness" in the ad too seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzvFAcbS0RE

[feckless]

What Wade almost always does is if he is in a tangle or going down he grabs the other player and brings him down also.  Whether Wade thinks as a star he will usually get the benefit of the call or if he is trying to negate the other play in the fray I am not sure.  Other players do this also including some Celtics but in my mind no one does it with anywhere near the frequency with which I have seen Wade do this move in this series--the ref's should be alert to this play and the call needs to be made, often a flagrant.  You would normally say this needs to be stopped before someone gets hurt but in this case it already has happened.

[SHAQATTACK]

Wade IS a dirty player .  To win a series , he has proved he'll do anything.

And Stern and his henchmen won't do anything about it , BECAUSE Wade is a Superstar in this league.

Letting play like this go , just shows how dreadfully stupid the league is .

[dtrader]

Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related

So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense. 

  Paul had a knee injury, you might not want him walking around. Seems a little different, but I'm no doctor.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player.

  So he drags Rondo down on purpose and he's fine with hurting Rondo but that doesn't meet your description of a dirty player? That's a fairly high threshold.

If a doctor thinks a player could be at risk walking around on an injured leg...he'll call for a chair.  If a doctor feels a player could be at risk due to passing out due to pain or other less visible symptom of an injury...he'll call for the chair.  Either way, they were both seemingly minor incidents, where chairs (usually reserved for more major incidents) were called for. We dont have any reason to think either player was responsible for the chairs to be called.  Both situations are comparable, and both players should be ridiculed or justified the same.

And yes...I think it takes more to be a dirty player. Dirty players try to injure people. Theres a big difference between "hurt" and "injure", and I dont think Wade intended to do either to Rondo. It was a freak injury.  The two players were tangled up.  Wade did most of the tangling, but Rondo wasn't just there trying to get free either.  Even if Rondo had his hands up in the air to get free, and Wade brought him down, I wouldnt have a big issue with it given the context (a pivotal game, in an overall physical playoff series, between two rivals).  Players are ALWAYS fine with hurting their opponents. That doesnt mean they TRY to injure them. It just means that if your opponent is hurt as a consequence of the 2 of you competing physically, it comes with the territory.  The play where Wades shoulder was hurt for example...do you really think the other team felt bad? Should they have?  Thats the nature of competing in contact sports.  Fact is, I dont remember anyone not currently losing to his team, ever saying that Dwayne Wade played dirty.  It should have been called a flagrant 1, but beyond that it should be a non issue.

[hpantazo]

Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related

So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense.  

  Paul had a knee injury, you might not want him walking around. Seems a little different, but I'm no doctor.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player.

  So he drags Rondo down on purpose and he's fine with hurting Rondo but that doesn't meet your description of a dirty player? That's a fairly high threshold.

If a doctor thinks a player could be at risk walking around on an injured leg...he'll call for a chair.  If a doctor feels a player could be at risk due to passing out due to pain or other less visible symptom of an injury...he'll call for the chair.  Either way, they were both seemingly minor incidents, where chairs (usually reserved for more major incidents) were called for. We dont have any reason to think either player was responsible for the chairs to be called.  Both situations are comparable, and both players should be ridiculed or justified the same.

And yes...I think it takes more to be a dirty player. Dirty players try to injure people. Theres a big difference between "hurt" and "injure", and I dont think Wade intended to do either to Rondo. It was a freak injury.  The two players were tangled up.  Wade did most of the tangling, but Rondo wasn't just there trying to get free either.  Even if Rondo had his hands up in the air to get free, and Wade brought him down, I wouldnt have a big issue with it given the context (a pivotal game, in an overall physical playoff series, between two rivals).  Players are ALWAYS fine with hurting their opponents. That doesnt mean they TRY to injure them. It just means that if your opponent is hurt as a consequence of the 2 of you competing physically, it comes with the territory.  The play where Wades shoulder was hurt for example...do you really think the other team felt bad? Should they have?  Thats the nature of competing in contact sports.  Fact is, I dont remember anyone not currently losing to his team, ever saying that Dwayne Wade played dirty.  It should have been called a flagrant 1, but beyond that it should be a non issue.

The bottom line is, unnecessary contact after the play away from the ball is dirty, regardless of intent to injure. He's been getting away with it all series, and he deserves to be punished for it, one way or another.

[dtrader]

Big difference between Rondo and Wade...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfuJS0SBSac&feature=related

So I guess this means that wade is weak like Paul Pierce, because they both needed wheel chairs for seemingly minor injuries?  That really makes no sense. 

  Paul had a knee injury, you might not want him walking around. Seems a little different, but I'm no doctor.

Fact is, it's the playoffs.  Wade didn't TRY to injure Rondo, or it would have been a LOT worse. He definitely wanted him to know that he wasn't going to let him go wherever he wanted, and he may have even been fine with hurting Rondo.  I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with that.  He deserved a flagrant for the play, but thats it. Wade is not a dirty player.

  So he drags Rondo down on purpose and he's fine with hurting Rondo but that doesn't meet your description of a dirty player? That's a fairly high threshold.

If a doctor thinks a player could be at risk walking around on an injured leg...he'll call for a chair.  If a doctor feels a player could be at risk due to passing out due to pain or other less visible symptom of an injury...he'll call for the chair.  Either way, they were both seemingly minor incidents, where chairs (usually reserved for more major incidents) were called for. We dont have any reason to think either player was responsible for the chairs to be called.  Both situations are comparable, and both players should be ridiculed or justified the same.

And yes...I think it takes more to be a dirty player. Dirty players try to injure people. Theres a big difference between "hurt" and "injure", and I dont think Wade intended to do either to Rondo. It was a freak injury.  The two players were tangled up.  Wade did most of the tangling, but Rondo wasn't just there trying to get free either.  Even if Rondo had his hands up in the air to get free, and Wade brought him down, I wouldnt have a big issue with it given the context (a pivotal game, in an overall physical playoff series, between two rivals).  Players are ALWAYS fine with hurting their opponents. That doesnt mean they TRY to injure them. It just means that if your opponent is hurt as a consequence of the 2 of you competing physically, it comes with the territory.  The play where Wades shoulder was hurt for example...do you really think the other team felt bad? Should they have?  Thats the nature of competing in contact sports.  Fact is, I dont remember anyone not currently losing to his team, ever saying that Dwayne Wade played dirty.  It should have been called a flagrant 1, but beyond that it should be a non issue.

the bottom line is, unnecessary contact after the play away from the ball is dirty, regardless of intent to injure

By that definition, anytime a player got in another players face and bumped heads, or pushed, would be a "dirty play"...I guess that would mean we'd have to add Pierce (and about 100 other players this year) to the list of "dirty players"