Doc Rivers Last Night

[Roy H.]

I don't understand why Doc played 5 members of the bench at once. That didn't work during the regular season and it sure as hell won't work in the playoffs.

When he did it, someone had gotten hurt, it was only for like 2 minutes, but it shouldn't have been done.  With Rondo, Allen, Pierce and KG, 2 of those guys need to be on the floor at all times, no matter what.  That's why Ginobili comes off the bench in San Antonio.  It makes it easier to ensure that either him, Parker or Duncan will be on the court at all times.

I've been saying for years that *two* of those guys should be on the floor at all times, and I stand by that.

Doc seems even more resistant than normal to mixing the starters in with the bench, and I truly don't understand that.  Our bench, as a unit, sucks.

[Celticsfan336]

Via, Mr. Triple Double 's twitter
http://twitter.com/#!/MrTrpleDouble10

Big problem last night: when the game was tied 80, 4 of their next 6 possessions were 2 Big Baby ISO's, a Rondo jumper and a JO FGA

Just because Mr. Triple Double (who?!) said it, it must explain everything.

He is right, after Rondo bricked a jumpshot, and Big Baby bricked 2 layups, the Heat went on a 10-0 run or something.

Doc is sucking lately. really badly too, get JO time and Jeff Green they were the only ones playing last night.

[JadeBlack]

Doc had to deal with Paul's sprained achilles, Rondo's back, Ray's bruised chest and breathing problems , all three being out at almost the same time period and what looked like a fatigued KG who played big minutes. Not like he had a lot to work with. A healty roster is badly needed in this final stretch.

[FatjohnReturns]

Doc Rivers Last Night.. Epic Fail

[angryguy77]

Doc had to deal with Paul's sprained achilles, Rondo's back, Ray's bruised chest and breathing problems , all three being out at almost the same time period and what looked like a fatigued KG who played big minutes. Not like he had a lot to work with. A healty roster is badly needed in this final stretch.

Missing from your list is JO. He wasn't hurting, at least I haven't heard anything about it. Doc along with Joey screwed our team. It was like the Wonder Twins united into one big epic fail.

[celts55]

I don't understand why Doc played 5 members of the bench at once. That didn't work during the regular season and it sure as hell won't work in the playoffs.

When he did it, someone had gotten hurt, it was only for like 2 minutes, but it shouldn't have been done.  With Rondo, Allen, Pierce and KG, 2 of those guys need to be on the floor at all times, no matter what.  That's why Ginobili comes off the bench in San Antonio.  It makes it easier to ensure that either him, Parker or Duncan will be on the court at all times.

I've been saying for years that *two* of those guys should be on the floor at all times, and I stand by that.

Doc seems even more resistant than normal to mixing the starters in with the bench, and I truly don't understand that.  Our bench, as a unit, sucks.

Could not agree more. Look at Green. He played the best I've seen him when Pierce was hurt and he was playing with starters. Same for West. When you put them in with Davis and Kystic, not so good. They need to become the focal point for the offense, and they are all better as roll players.

A little off topic, put I believe that's a big reason why really none of the players the Celtics pick up to fix their bench don't work out. Marbury, Nate, Green, etc, all scorers until they get here. I don't think they just forget how to score in Boston. They get thrown out there as a group of subs and it just doesn't work.

[the_Bird]

A little off topic, put I believe that's a big reason why really none of the players the Celtics pick up to fix their bench don't work out. Marbury, Nate, Green, etc, all scorers until they get here. I don't think they just forget how to score in Boston. They get thrown out there as a group of subs and it just doesn't work.

That doesn't make any sense, though.  Wouldn't it make more sense that guys who are used to being the focal point of the offence would do better playing with the second unit, where they ARE the focal point of the offence, instead of playing alongside and having to defer to Pierce, Ray, et al?

[BballTim]

I don't understand why Doc played 5 members of the bench at once. That didn't work during the regular season and it sure as hell won't work in the playoffs.

When he did it, someone had gotten hurt, it was only for like 2 minutes, but it shouldn't have been done.  With Rondo, Allen, Pierce and KG, 2 of those guys need to be on the floor at all times, no matter what.  That's why Ginobili comes off the bench in San Antonio.  It makes it easier to ensure that either him, Parker or Duncan will be on the court at all times.

I've been saying for years that *two* of those guys should be on the floor at all times, and I stand by that.

Doc seems even more resistant than normal to mixing the starters in with the bench, and I truly don't understand that.  Our bench, as a unit, sucks.

  I've been saying that since '08. More specifically, one of KG and Rondo needs to be on the court and one of Ray and PP as opposed to a Ray/PP combo on the court.

[celts55]

A little off topic, put I believe that's a big reason why really none of the players the Celtics pick up to fix their bench don't work out. Marbury, Nate, Green, etc, all scorers until they get here. I don't think they just forget how to score in Boston. They get thrown out there as a group of subs and it just doesn't work.

That doesn't make any sense, though.  Wouldn't it make more sense that guys who are used to being the focal point of the offence would do better playing with the second unit, where they ARE the focal point of the offence, instead of playing alongside and having to defer to Pierce, Ray, et al?

I don't have to make sense. I'm mad.

[MBz]

I don't understand why Doc played 5 members of the bench at once. That didn't work during the regular season and it sure as hell won't work in the playoffs.

When he did it, someone had gotten hurt, it was only for like 2 minutes, but it shouldn't have been done.  With Rondo, Allen, Pierce and KG, 2 of those guys need to be on the floor at all times, no matter what.  That's why Ginobili comes off the bench in San Antonio.  It makes it easier to ensure that either him, Parker or Duncan will be on the court at all times.

I've been saying for years that *two* of those guys should be on the floor at all times, and I stand by that.

Doc seems even more resistant than normal to mixing the starters in with the bench, and I truly don't understand that.  Our bench, as a unit, sucks.

Exactly.  I don't really understand it.  Jeff Green as your #1 option isn't going to work.  When you mix Green in there with Rondo, Allen, Pierce or KG, he's going to get much better looks and be able to be much more efficient.  Doc seems to do the opposite of what he should do.  He'll stick 1 starter out there with 4 bench players instead of throwing one bench player in with 4 starters.  I understand the players love him and he runs good plays out of time outs, but I think figuring out the rotation is the most important job as a coach.  With that being said, I would gladly welcome a different coach if a solid veteran coach was available.  

[StartOrien]

A little off topic, put I believe that's a big reason why really none of the players the Celtics pick up to fix their bench don't work out. Marbury, Nate, Green, etc, all scorers until they get here. I don't think they just forget how to score in Boston. They get thrown out there as a group of subs and it just doesn't work.

That doesn't make any sense, though.  Wouldn't it make more sense that guys who are used to being the focal point of the offence would do better playing with the second unit, where they ARE the focal point of the offence, instead of playing alongside and having to defer to Pierce, Ray, et al?

I don't have to make sense. I'm mad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLD6m7u0qG0

[MBz]

A little off topic, put I believe that's a big reason why really none of the players the Celtics pick up to fix their bench don't work out. Marbury, Nate, Green, etc, all scorers until they get here. I don't think they just forget how to score in Boston. They get thrown out there as a group of subs and it just doesn't work.

That doesn't make any sense, though.  Wouldn't it make more sense that guys who are used to being the focal point of the offence would do better playing with the second unit, where they ARE the focal point of the offence, instead of playing alongside and having to defer to Pierce, Ray, et al?

I don't have to make sense. I'm mad.

Jeff Green was never a major focal point though.  He was the third option.  He deferred to Durant and Westbrook.  Nate Robinson never was really a focal point either, maybe a 2nd or 3rd option but thats really it.  He also was nothing more than a chucker when he was in NY.  He also played on 30 win teams.  Most of the guys we get are players who play better when around better players.  It's just useless to make them do more than they  can, that's when their flaws are exposed.  

[Q_FBE]

Brainstorm the personnel usage adjustment alert:

- Would it hurt the Celtics to come in with Troy Murphy instead of Glen Davis as the 3rd Big man? His calling card is rebounding and scoring from the midrange to outside.

-Time for Shaq to hit the floor before he must retire at the end of the season.

Delonte on Wade and Rondo on Lebron are both solid ideas and they can play off each other on offense. The other three players could be Green, Baby, and KG.

Celtics had a good thing going until the score hit 80 and 80 with 6 minutes left in the game. Then it simply fell apart as the TripleDouble's twitter painfully pointed out.

I felt the Celtics had a good opportunity to get last night's game and make this a fascinating series.

[StartOrien]

I think in order to give him some "rest" it's best to keep Rondo on the point guard in order to allow him to save his energy for offense.

[ThaPreacher]

I don't understand why Doc played 5 members of the bench at once. That didn't work during the regular season and it sure as hell won't work in the playoffs.

When he did it, someone had gotten hurt, it was only for like 2 minutes, but it shouldn't have been done.  With Rondo, Allen, Pierce and KG, 2 of those guys need to be on the floor at all times, no matter what.  That's why Ginobili comes off the bench in San Antonio.  It makes it easier to ensure that either him, Parker or Duncan will be on the court at all times.

I've been saying for years that *two* of those guys should be on the floor at all times, and I stand by that.

Doc seems even more resistant than normal to mixing the starters in with the bench, and I truly don't understand that.  Our bench, as a unit, sucks.

Roy you are so right!
Two of the starters at least, need to be on the court at all times.
Doc like alot of NBA coaches has gotten set in the way he implements his rotations.
Need to address the needs on the court as they arise and develop a strategy that makes Miami adapt to us, rather than the Celtics substituting based upon minutes into a quarter.

Big Baby at Best is a role player.  A 4th option.
At the worse he is a bad luck schleprock, jacking shots and missing dunks
"Wowzy Wowzy, woo woo"  

Rather see someone else post up,
Rather see someone else take the jump shot.