How Tony Allen cost Grizzlies Game2?

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What TA giveth, TA taketh away. He singlehandedly gave the game away in the 3rd quarter. How do you turn the ball over in an inbound play? Tony Allen managed to do it not once but twice in 30-second span. Very careless with the ball. And that 1 on 3 play sums his career. Hopefully he can redeem himself in game3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJex55pqbC0

[Bankshot]

It happens.  People make mistakes.  Colison lost games 1 and 3 for Indiana.  Not on mistakes though, but on stupid plays.

That being said, they probably wouldn't be where they are right now if it weren't for Tony, so I bet they aren't even mad at him.

[xmuscularghandix]

Mike Conley lost the game in the 4th Quarter.

[Brendan]

He is who we thought he was.

We'll always have the Salmon & Mashed Potatoes game.

[RedsCeltics34]

I dont think a couple miscues in the 3rd quarter is the sole reason the Grizz lost. If OJ Mayo went nuts in the 4th and hit 6 3's nobody would be talking about the TA turnovers. Things happen.

[Assassin70]

I dont think a couple miscues in the 3rd quarter is the sole reason the Grizz lost. If OJ Mayo went nuts in the 4th and hit 6 3's nobody would be talking about the TA turnovers. Things happen.

/agree

[Jon Niednagel]

Seems like a bit of a reach to blame Tony for that loss. Tony gave that team life, and the Grizz wouldn't be where they are without him. 

[Fafnir]

Seems like a bit of a reach to blame Tony for that loss. Tony gave that team life, and the Grizz wouldn't be where they are without him. 

If people create/bump a thread everytime he has a "good" game, and credit him with getting the Grizzlies to the playoffs, what's wrong with it going the other way?

[snively]

Specious analysis.  Mayo gets credit for missing a lay-up because a big man cleaned it up while TA gets bashed for being over-aggressive on his missed lay-ups?  Criticizing a guy who shot better than 50% for taking away shots from his teammates and comparing him unfavorably to a guy who missed good and bad shots?

[Donoghus]

Still "Trick or Treat" Tony. 

[jdub1660]

What TA giveth, TA taketh away. He singlehandedly gave the game away in the 3rd quarter. How do you turn the ball over in an inbound play? Tony Allen managed to do it not once but twice in 30-second span. Very careless with the ball. And that 1 on 3 play sums his career. Hopefully he can redeem himself in game3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJex55pqbC0

Guy in the video is an idiot. Mayo jacks up shots and bricks, but they're "great" shots, b/c he's a shooter. But Tony Allen, who is a slasher/defender, slashes when the door is open, misses few, and those are bad attempts.

Don't run away with this, but DRose and SOMETIMES Rondo does the same thing, BECAUSE THEY'RE SLASHERS!!! Attack the basket, hope to make the hoop or draw a foul. Without Tony Allen, Memphis wouldn't be in the playoffs

[KCattheStripe]

Seems like a bit of a reach to blame Tony for that loss. Tony gave that team life, and the Grizz wouldn't be where they are without him. 

If people create/bump a thread everytime he has a "good" game, and credit him with getting the Grizzlies to the playoffs, what's wrong with it going the other way?

Well I would take what JN said and apply it to the game, including a clutch free throw line jumper straight outta the captain's tool box.

[Jon Niednagel]

Seems like a bit of a reach to blame Tony for that loss. Tony gave that team life, and the Grizz wouldn't be where they are without him.  

If people create/bump a thread everytime he has a "good" game, and credit him with getting the Grizzlies to the playoffs, what's wrong with it going the other way?

I have no problem with bringing up the mistakes he made inbounding in the third, that is fine. However, to blame him for the game is a reach in my opinion.  All players do good and bad during games, and he did more good than bad.

Crediting Tony with changing the culture of the team and getting the Grizz to playoffs is a perspective most players on the Grizz, and fans who follow the Grizz, tend to hold. Looking at the entire body of his work with the Grizz, I think it is a perpective that is difficult to refute unless you hold some sort of bias against the guy.

In that sense, I find your comparison a bit difficult to understand. Don't get me wrong. I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if they put up one that I think is wrong I'll respectfully disagree with it regardless if there is precedence for just posting something based on personal biases (good or bad) about the guy.

[Fafnir]

Seems like a bit of a reach to blame Tony for that loss. Tony gave that team life, and the Grizz wouldn't be where they are without him.  

If people create/bump a thread everytime he has a "good" game, and credit him with getting the Grizzlies to the playoffs, what's wrong with it going the other way?

I have no problem with bringing up the mistakes he made inbounding in the third, that is fine. However, to blame him for the game is a reach in my opinion.  All players do good and bad during games, and he did more good than bad.

Crediting Tony with changing the culture of the team and getting the Grizz to playoffs is a perspective most players on the Grizz, and fans who follow the Grizz, tend to hold. Looking at the entire body of his work with the Grizz, I think it is a perpective that is difficult to refute unless you hold some sort of bias against the guy.

In that sense, I find your comparison a bit difficult to understand. Don't get me wrong. I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if they put up one that I think is wrong I'll respectfully disagree with it regardless if there is precedence for just posting something based on personal biases (good or bad) about the guy.

Threads like this aren't posted in a vacuum. Everytime Tony had a "good" game the thread about him was bumped or a new one was started. This time in the playoffs some of his warts showed. Just part of the back and forth about Tony on the board.

Did he directly "blow the game for the Grizz, no. But his bad turnovers made it a lot harder for the rest of the team at a crucial part of the game.  He also didn't make the Grizz a playoff team either.

I tend to credit getting OJ Mayo out of the line up the as a starting SG the biggest thing the Grizzlies out of Tony this year. OJ Mayo is Mo Williams when he's playing well (which isn't a consistent thing). Not what you want as your two guard. Moving him to the bench role has made the Grizzlies a much more functional team.

You believe in the whole "culture" change by Tony, I don't buy it not one bit. You just got rid of a bad defensive player's 12+ minutes a game with a good one and had better health over the course of the season. (Arthur has also helped their frontcourt out a ton with his improvement) Remember this Grizzlies team was very close to the playoffs last year before injuries cost them enough games to pull them out of it.

[Jon Niednagel]

Seems like a bit of a reach to blame Tony for that loss. Tony gave that team life, and the Grizz wouldn't be where they are without him. 

If people create/bump a thread everytime he has a "good" game, and credit him with getting the Grizzlies to the playoffs, what's wrong with it going the other way?

I have no problem with bringing up the mistakes he made inbounding in the third, that is fine. However, to blame him for the game is a reach in my opinion.  All players do good and bad during games, and he did more good than bad.

Crediting Tony with changing the culture of the team and getting the Grizz to playoffs is a perspective most players on the Grizz, and fans who follow the Grizz, tend to hold. Looking at the entire body of his work with the Grizz, I think it is a perpective that is difficult to refute unless you hold some sort of bias against the guy.

In that sense, I find your comparison a bit difficult to understand. Don't get me wrong. I feel everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if they put up one that I think is wrong I'll respectfully disagree with it regardless if there is precedence for just posting something based on personal biases (good or bad) about the guy.

Threads like this aren't posted in a vacuum. Everytime Tony had a "good" game the thread about him was bumped or a new one was started. This time in the playoffs some of his warts showed. Just part of the back and forth about Tony on the board.

Did he directly "blow the game for the Grizz, no. But his bad turnovers made it a lot harder for the rest of the team at a crucial part of the game.  He also didn't make the Grizz a playoff team either.

I tend to credit getting OJ Mayo out of the line up the as a starting SG the biggest thing the Grizzlies out of Tony this year. OJ Mayo is Mo Williams when he's playing well (which isn't a consistent thing). Not what you want as your two guard. Moving him to the bench role has made the Grizzlies a much more functional team.

You believe in the whole "culture" change by Tony, I don't buy it not one bit. You just got rid of a bad defensive player's 12+ minutes a game with a good one and had better health over the course of the season. (Arthur has also helped their frontcourt out a ton with his improvement) Remember this Grizzlies team was very close to the playoffs last year before injuries cost them enough games to pull them out of it.

Well, I can't control what other posters do after Tony does something good or bad, nor would I want to. I also don't find that to be particularly relevant to what I posted. I can respectfully disagree with another poster's opinion, which I did.

As for Tony's impact on the Grizz, there were several things that may of helped them improve, but Tony was clearly at the top of the list in my opinion. We will just have to agree to disagree about it I guess, but I will submit the following:

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpp/news/local/memphis-grizzlies-fans-catch-tony-allen-fever-rpt-20110331