Why Was Jeff Green Brought In Again?

[Kuberski33]

Green has been underwhelming but so frankly has BBD. He can't get a rebound and his shooting is terrible.  He's played great in the post season in the past but through 2 games we're seeing the same crapola from him that we've seen since the trade.

The combination of those 2 coupled with Delonte's inconsistency is why the C's get in trouble every time they go to the bench. 

Our bench STINKS right now.

If it doesn't improve, the Celtics are done whether it's this round or next. 

[blackberry33]

Because he's an immensely talented 24 year old with a team friendly impending restricted free agency.

Thanks

[blackberry33]

Why was Green brought in?  To be a versitile 2-position bench player and he has been that, a pretty good bench player.  Other than Odom on the Lakers, bench players are just not that good on any of the top teams.

And for people who are declaring, oh we should have kept Perk and just gotten Corey Brewer or whoever.  I think that Danny probably did try to get someone without trading Perk but couldn't.  I think the get something for Perk aspect was in play but if Danny could have traded Nate for Brewer or something like that, I think he would have.

Green, Krstic, and a likely lottery pick for Perk and Nate; OKC gave up a lot and took back a wasted contract to get a wounded Perk.  No, I still would not un-do this trade.  Maybe I keep Erden over Murphy but I am still good with the value we got for this trade and I continue to believe that Perk is not the reason we are barely beating the Knicks.

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[the_Bird]

Because he's an immensely talented 24 year old with a team friendly impending restricted free agency.

Thanks

....  yeah, and if he gets signed to an multiyear offer sheet, Danny's letting him walk.  Jeff Green's not good enough, either now or as a future prospect, to blow your 2012 cap space over.

[celtic -_- pride]

Why was Green brought in?  To be a versitile 2-position bench player and he has been that, a pretty good bench player.  Other than Odom on the Lakers, bench players are just not that good on any of the top teams.

And for people who are declaring, oh we should have kept Perk and just gotten Corey Brewer or whoever.  I think that Danny probably did try to get someone without trading Perk but couldn't.  I think the get something for Perk aspect was in play but if Danny could have traded Nate for Brewer or something like that, I think he would have.

Green, Krstic, and a likely lottery pick for Perk and Nate; OKC gave up a lot and took back a wasted contract to get a wounded Perk.  No, I still would not un-do this trade.  Maybe I keep Erden over Murphy but I am still good with the value we got for this trade and I continue to believe that Perk is not the reason we are barely beating the Knicks.

+1

we cant rebound the ball... perk would help a lot with that and jeff has produced very little. i think this trade has had a major impact on this series. doc should of played wafer more during the regular season. he's got talent just not experience. and not to mention DA shook up the chemistry completely with this trade. don't downplay the psychology of the trade. perk was a comrade and a brother

[the_Bird]

we cant rebound the ball... perk would help a lot with that and jeff has produced very little. i think this trade has had a major impact on this series. doc should of played wafer more during the regular season. he's got talent just not experience. and not to mention DA shook up the chemistry completely with this trade. don't downplay the psychology of the trade. perk was a comrade and a brother

For all the Perk-bashing that's happened after the fact...  I think it's been made abundantly clear how much he was loved and respected by every one of his teammates.  They know a helluva lot more than me or any of us what it takes to win ballgames, and they've made it very well known how much of a positive impact Perkins has on the team. 

Some of it's chemistry.  Some of it's setting those hard picks for Ray (that every other team in the league dreaded having to fight through).  Some of it's rebounding and blocking shots.  Some of it's being a real hard-nosed presence in the middle that guys like Carmello and LeBron and Wade and Kobe don't feel as comfortable driving on.  Some of it is knowing that he's going to be in position behind them, so guys like Rondo can maybe play their man a little more aggressively.

Give KG some truth serum and ask him which of his former teammates he wants to go to battle with, and Perk's name is going to be the first or second out of his mouth.

Give any of them some truth serum and ask who they'd want by their side in a bar fight, and they're going to say Perk.

We lost our warrior, and the effects are showing.

[angryguy77]

Why was Green brought in?  To be a versitile 2-position bench player and he has been that, a pretty good bench player.  Other than Odom on the Lakers, bench players are just not that good on any of the top teams.

And for people who are declaring, oh we should have kept Perk and just gotten Corey Brewer or whoever.  I think that Danny probably did try to get someone without trading Perk but couldn't.  I think the get something for Perk aspect was in play but if Danny could have traded Nate for Brewer or something like that, I think he would have.

Green, Krstic, and a likely lottery pick for Perk and Nate; OKC gave up a lot and took back a wasted contract to get a wounded Perk.  No, I still would not un-do this trade.  Maybe I keep Erden over Murphy but I am still good with the value we got for this trade and I continue to believe that Perk is not the reason we are barely beating the Knicks.

+1

we cant rebound the ball... perk would help a lot with that and jeff has produced very little. i think this trade has had a major impact on this series. doc should of played wafer more during the regular season. he's got talent just not experience. and not to mention DA shook up the chemistry completely with this trade. don't downplay the psychology of the trade. perk was a comrade and a brother

The big 3 don't belong in the NBA if they cant get over losing their BFF.

I worked for Walgreens for 2 years at the same location. I was then transferred to another. I left behind coworkers that I enjoyed working with. I did my job at the new store, I didn't let my performance slide because I missed my former coworkers. I have a hard time believing they are letting their emotions affect their play.

This reasoning for why the trade was bad is not very sound imo.

[celts55]

I like Green and would like to see him getting more minutes over Davis and with a real point guard. While I think West does some good things, running the second unit is not one of them. While I think he's a desent rebounder, I don't really like watching him teamed with Davis. I don't really think he's been put in the best situation to show what he can do. Mostly he's watching West pound the ball, or Davis shot. I'd like to see him get some time with Rondo and some first unit players and see what happens.

[celtic -_- pride]

Why was Green brought in?  To be a versitile 2-position bench player and he has been that, a pretty good bench player.  Other than Odom on the Lakers, bench players are just not that good on any of the top teams.

And for people who are declaring, oh we should have kept Perk and just gotten Corey Brewer or whoever.  I think that Danny probably did try to get someone without trading Perk but couldn't.  I think the get something for Perk aspect was in play but if Danny could have traded Nate for Brewer or something like that, I think he would have.

Green, Krstic, and a likely lottery pick for Perk and Nate; OKC gave up a lot and took back a wasted contract to get a wounded Perk.  No, I still would not un-do this trade.  Maybe I keep Erden over Murphy but I am still good with the value we got for this trade and I continue to believe that Perk is not the reason we are barely beating the Knicks.

+1

we cant rebound the ball... perk would help a lot with that and jeff has produced very little. i think this trade has had a major impact on this series. doc should of played wafer more during the regular season. he's got talent just not experience. and not to mention DA shook up the chemistry completely with this trade. don't downplay the psychology of the trade. perk was a comrade and a brother

If these guys cant get over losing their BFF then they don't belong in the NBA.

I worked for Walgreens for 2 years at the same location. I was then transferred to another. I left behind coworkers that I enjoyed working with. I did my job at the new store, I didn't let my performance slide because I missed my former coworkers.

This reasoning for why the trade was bad is not very sound imo.

working at a walgreens is no where near the same caliber as playing a team oriented sport at the high level these athletes do. idk if you play basketball but when you play with a group of guys that you have been for a while you establish a certain amount of trust in one another. you also know their game as much as you do of your own. i work at five guys and transferred to one by my college and my performance has not changed as well. but shaking a fry basket with new people is completely different than trying to get the ball in the basket. not trying to be rude but your analogy is a loose one.

[barefacedmonk]

Other than Odom on the Lakers, bench players are just not that good on any of the top teams.

DeJuan Blair, Jarret Jack, Jason Terry, Batum, Raymond Felton, Thaddeus Young, Jamal Crawford...they are all bench players (on playoff teams) who have given their teams more than what Jeff Green has given us.

Jeff Green is the most talented of all the players that I have listed but he hasn't been all that impressive for us. He is certainly capable of producing a lot more than he has thus far. What's preventing him? I have no idea.

[celtic -_- pride]

we cant rebound the ball... perk would help a lot with that and jeff has produced very little. i think this trade has had a major impact on this series. doc should of played wafer more during the regular season. he's got talent just not experience. and not to mention DA shook up the chemistry completely with this trade. don't downplay the psychology of the trade. perk was a comrade and a brother

For all the Perk-bashing that's happened after the fact...  I think it's been made abundantly clear how much he was loved and respected by every one of his teammates.  They know a helluva lot more than me or any of us what it takes to win ballgames, and they've made it very well known how much of a positive impact Perkins has on the team.  

Some of it's chemistry.  Some of it's setting those hard picks for Ray (that every other team in the league dreaded having to fight through).  Some of it's rebounding and blocking shots.  Some of it's being a real hard-nosed presence in the middle that guys like Carmello and LeBron and Wade and Kobe don't feel as comfortable driving on.  Some of it is knowing that he's going to be in position behind them, so guys like Rondo can maybe play their man a little more aggressively.

Give KG some truth serum and ask him which of his former teammates he wants to go to battle with, and Perk's name is going to be the first or second out of his mouth.

Give any of them some truth serum and ask who they'd want by their side in a bar fight, and they're going to say Perk.

We lost our warrior, and the effects are showing.

TP i agree completely his stat line wasnt ever fat but he did the tangibles that a team needs to win. are team is gritty but perkins defined gritty and gave our team the identity it needed to win tough games down the stretch. he was our backbone

[dlpin]

we cant rebound the ball... perk would help a lot with that and jeff has produced very little. i think this trade has had a major impact on this series. doc should of played wafer more during the regular season. he's got talent just not experience. and not to mention DA shook up the chemistry completely with this trade. don't downplay the psychology of the trade. perk was a comrade and a brother

Turiaf played 22 minutes and had 3 rebounds yesterday. The reason we are being outrebounded by them is not center play. It's them going small and their small guys rebounding better than our small guys.

Do you really think that if Perk were available Doc would have him chasing Jeffries and Walker on the perimeter yesteday?

For all the Perk-bashing that's happened after the fact...  I think it's been made abundantly clear how much he was loved and respected by every one of his teammates.  They know a helluva lot more than me or any of us what it takes to win ballgames, and they've made it very well known how much of a positive impact Perkins has on the team. 

Some of it's chemistry.  Some of it's setting those hard picks for Ray (that every other team in the league dreaded having to fight through).  Some of it's rebounding and blocking shots.  Some of it's being a real hard-nosed presence in the middle that guys like Carmello and LeBron and Wade and Kobe don't feel as comfortable driving on.  Some of it is knowing that he's going to be in position behind them, so guys like Rondo can maybe play their man a little more aggressively.

Give KG some truth serum and ask him which of his former teammates he wants to go to battle with, and Perk's name is going to be the first or second out of his mouth.

Give any of them some truth serum and ask who they'd want by their side in a bar fight, and they're going to say Perk.

We lost our warrior, and the effects are showing.

What Perk bashing?
People simply rightly point out that Perkins is not the difference between a championship and a 1st round exit.


As for chemistry, that is non-sense.

So we are to believe that even though Perkins didn't play, practice or travel with the team for most of the season, the players played well simply because they knew Perkins was back home waiting for them?

[the_Bird]

What Perk bashing?
People simply rightly point out that Perkins is not the difference between a championship and a 1st round exit.


As for chemistry, that is non-sense.

So we are to believe that even though Perkins didn't play, practice or travel with the team for most of the season, the players played well simply because they knew Perkins was back home waiting for them?

If you haven't seen the Perk-bashing, then you haven't been spending very much time around here.

The stuff I'm talking about has nothing to do with chemistry.  Screen-setting, playing great help D, discouraging guys from slashing to the rim, that's all tangible but it's not statistical. 

[angryguy77]

Why was Green brought in?  To be a versitile 2-position bench player and he has been that, a pretty good bench player.  Other than Odom on the Lakers, bench players are just not that good on any of the top teams.

And for people who are declaring, oh we should have kept Perk and just gotten Corey Brewer or whoever.  I think that Danny probably did try to get someone without trading Perk but couldn't.  I think the get something for Perk aspect was in play but if Danny could have traded Nate for Brewer or something like that, I think he would have.

Green, Krstic, and a likely lottery pick for Perk and Nate; OKC gave up a lot and took back a wasted contract to get a wounded Perk.  No, I still would not un-do this trade.  Maybe I keep Erden over Murphy but I am still good with the value we got for this trade and I continue to believe that Perk is not the reason we are barely beating the Knicks.

+1

we cant rebound the ball... perk would help a lot with that and jeff has produced very little. i think this trade has had a major impact on this series. doc should of played wafer more during the regular season. he's got talent just not experience. and not to mention DA shook up the chemistry completely with this trade. don't downplay the psychology of the trade. perk was a comrade and a brother

If these guys cant get over losing their BFF then they don't belong in the NBA.

I worked for Walgreens for 2 years at the same location. I was then transferred to another. I left behind coworkers that I enjoyed working with. I did my job at the new store, I didn't let my performance slide because I missed my former coworkers.

This reasoning for why the trade was bad is not very sound imo.

working at a walgreens is no where near the same caliber as playing a team oriented sport at the high level these athletes do. idk if you play basketball but when you play with a group of guys that you have been for a while you establish a certain amount of trust in one another. you also know their game as much as you do of your own. i work at five guys and transferred to one by my college and my performance has not changed as well. but shaking a fry basket with new people is completely different than trying to get the ball in the basket. not trying to be rude but your analogy is a loose one.

You know why I couldn't let my performance slide, I had to maintain a level of professionalism(I was a manger). These are professional athletes and need to conduct themselves in a certain manner, especially when they are being paid handsomely to play a game. What you do has no bearing on how close you can become to the people you work with.

So basically a gm needs to see if feelings are going to be hurt too much before he can decide to make a trade?

 If being with your boys is so important, Perk would have accepted the offer DA gave him. Seems to me that money trumps whatever trust you may create by playing with your friends. I don't fault Perk for wanting to cash-in, but saying these guys are not preforming because a friend was traded is weak. There are many other factors going on here than someone losing a friend.

[dlpin]

If you haven't seen the Perk-bashing, then you haven't been spending very much time around here.

The stuff I'm talking about has nothing to do with chemistry.  Screen-setting, playing great help D, discouraging guys from slashing to the rim, that's all tangible but it's not statistical. 

so when you said "Some of it's chemistry" it had nothing to do with chemistry?
And what I said applies to the rest of your post as well. We were fine most of the year without him.