Is there anybody in the world that thinks Baby is better offensively than JG?

[mgent]

We've seen it every game since the trade, but why in God's name does Glen Davis (1-8) take twice as many shots as Jeff Green (2-4)?

When the second unit is out there I think our options should be:
Paul/Ray/Rondo, whoever's out there
Green
Delonte
THEN Big Baby or Krstic

Somebody please slap Green in the back of the head and wake him up.  This is a guy who needs to get in a rhythm to be effective.  If he's playing to his full potential he's got the talent to be the type of 6th man who completely takes control of the offense when the bench is in the game (Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams).

And as we all know, our second unit's offense sorely needs a go-to guy like that (please no more Big Baby "get out of my way and watch me take a jump shot").

[Who]

I don't think much of Jeff Green as a shot-creator against quality defensive small forwards. Especially small forwards with good size who defend the post well (Green's best asset as a shot-creator at SF).

In those scenarios, I think he is best used as a low volume guy who plays off of others. Just too inefficient / ineffective otherwise.

In scenarios where he has a good mis-match (either at SF or PF), I want to see Green be a go-to scorer.

[mgent]

I don't think much of Jeff Green as a shot-creator against quality defensive small forwards. Especially small forwards with good size who defend the post well (Green's best asset as a shot-creator at SF).

In those scenarios, I think he is best used as a low volume guy who plays off of others. Just too inefficient / ineffective otherwise.

In scenarios where he has a good mis-match (either at SF or PF), I want to see Green be a go-to scorer.

I thought when he was in the game at the same time Melo was in foul trouble was the perfect time to go to him.

[Who]

I don't think much of Jeff Green as a shot-creator against quality defensive small forwards. Especially small forwards with good size who defend the post well (Green's best asset as a shot-creator at SF).

In those scenarios, I think he is best used as a low volume guy who plays off of others. Just too inefficient / ineffective otherwise.

In scenarios where he has a good mis-match (either at SF or PF), I want to see Green be a go-to scorer.

I thought when he was in the game at the same time Melo was in foul trouble was the perfect time to go to him.

Yeah, maybe ... if you want to try and pick up another foul on him.

In normal circumstances though, I don't like that matchup (for Green offensively).

[Marcus13]

He's not better, but at least he tried.  Sometimes, Im not sure Green is even giving an effort

[mgent]

I don't think much of Jeff Green as a shot-creator against quality defensive small forwards. Especially small forwards with good size who defend the post well (Green's best asset as a shot-creator at SF).

In those scenarios, I think he is best used as a low volume guy who plays off of others. Just too inefficient / ineffective otherwise.

In scenarios where he has a good mis-match (either at SF or PF), I want to see Green be a go-to scorer.

I thought when he was in the game at the same time Melo was in foul trouble was the perfect time to go to him.

Yeah, maybe ... if you want to try and pick up another foul on him.

In normal circumstances though, I don't like that matchup (for Green offensively).

My point was that Green vs Melo or 90% of the other SFs in the league is a better option than Davis who is matched up against a much taller player almost every night and who mostly takes either 20ft jumpers or a contested jump shot from 17ft.

Jeff Green obviously isn't a high-quality shot creator but he's not Glen Davis bad.  He's also much better at putting the ball on the floor, passing, getting his shot off at the rim, and shooting in general.  Even if he's not starting the possession with the ball in his hands I'd at least like for Delonte or Rondo to look for him more as opposed to Baby (or run more plays for him).

[Kane3387]

Green's game is very Antawn Jamison like. We need to utilize him the same way Jamison has been used on his teams. Pick and pop, post up, hit him cutting/just putting him in motion, and make an effort to look for him in transition. Isolation is not the way to go.

Jeff Green, at this point in his career, reminds me a lot of Jamison in Golden State. Remember Jamison was a sixth man of the year in Dallas the year he was traded from GSW.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

I've been watching closely to see why Jeff's not getting shots. Part of it is Rondo has not been maximizing his abilities on the fast break. Part of it is also the fact that Green's just not aggressive at all in trying to get shots. I remember a play against New York where the shot clock was down to 3 or 4 seconds and instead making something happen Green just gave it back to Baby. I was screaming at the screen for Green to shoot. He's just not demanding the ball at all so that's a problem. Remember Doc said he was too nice?

[billysan]

Actually, I would rather post up Krstic against a bench big from most teams than use either one of Baby or Green as shot creators. Those two are much more effective in the running game or in transition especially than any half court set.

Use Delonte or Rondo to penetrate or push the ball and any of the three should knock down a shot if/when open. That is where the second unit (hi %) shot creation should be coming from IMO.

[GreenEnvy]

I can think of one such person:

Glen Davis

[clover]

Actually, I would rather post up Krstic against a bench big from most teams than use either one of Baby or Green as shot creators. Those two are much more effective in the running game or in transition especially than any half court set.

Use Delonte or Rondo to penetrate or push the ball and any of the three should knock down a shot if/when open. That is where the best second unit (hi %) shot creation should be coming from IMO.

You're right--Delonte and Curly may be their most reliable bench scoring options.  To one extreme we have Antoine II, our current volume shooter, and at the other end of the spectrum we have Mr. Nice Guy, who's too often able but not willing.

[prov1ml34]

There is not a chance in hell of BBD being better offensively than Jeff Green. He may score more points but it takes twice as many shots for him to do so which coincidentally stops ball movement and hurts the entire team offensively. 

[LB3533]

Glen Davis on the box is just as effective as anything else we have from the bench.

But Jeff Green is the better overall offensive player. Green can score on the box, on the break, has better range and a better jump shot, and better from the line.

The one thing Baby has is familiarity of our offense.

We threw out half of our offense so maybe it might not be that much of an advantage for Baby anymore.

[GreenEnvy]

He's not better, but at least he tried.  Sometimes, Im not sure Green is even giving an effort

Emotion =/= effort.

Just because he doesn't jump up and down and drool like some players in the League doesn't mean he doesn't care. I remember reading an article last year (in that rag of a magazine ESPN Mag) about Rashad McCants. It was about how he played his way out of the league because of his poor body language. Despite his talent, he didn't appear to want it. I think the same was said about Wafer before this season.

I think Green cares and tries, he just may still be uncomfortable.

[celtics2]

I think Green is a better player but hasn't/can't show it. He like any newbie to the team is going to have a hard time breaking through the Big 3 and Davis. The same thing that holds Rondo back somewhat is holding Green back. A halfcourt team that can't/won't run. I watch Rondo moving the ball up he's lucky he has 2 Celts with him. Some things on the team don't mix. Like a Roadrunner Point Guard and a slow age handicapped team. The Dennis Johnson type would be perfect for this team. Oh yeah it looks like they are running a lot but in truth they are only beating out the lazies in the NBA during the regular season. The last games I watched looked like the Celts were having a hard time getting people open when not long ago it was a given someone would always be open.

All that plus the fact we have a complicated bunch of plays. Doc has thrown out half the plays for the Playoffs. How's a guy like Green expected to catch on without floor time? For a player like Green it's all about rhythm and momentum.