Is there anybody in the world that thinks Baby is better offensively than JG?

[scoop1977]

We've seen it every game since the trade, but why in God's name does Glen Davis (1-8) take twice as many shots as Jeff Green (2-4)?

One of the reasons is that more often than not Jeff Green will simply refuse to run risks and create a shot.

No big loss, it's not like he's a good shot-creator anyway. You're going to be disappointed if you're expecting him to replicate Jamaal Crawford et all scoring production.

[2short]

Davis has a nitch on this team plain and simple
Green however has a step back jumper that looks a lot like pierces, runs the floor well when on the court with rondo and has that nice post game/jump hook
I feel when he is in he should be a guy we go to.  I think the backup sf on another team won't be able to handle him OR make the starter work as hard as if PP was in the game.
Davis I'm fine with open jumpers within his range in the FLOW OF THE OFFENSE, not forcing things.  Also his running hook which he was using earlier in year and has kind of gone away from doing.

[blake]

I think it is a matter of having plays called for him and him being comfortable. 

He was at best the third option on the Thunder and now when he is coming off the bench he is often times the first or second best option.  I'm sure it is not an easy adjustment to make.  Though once he makes the adjustment, watch out.  The games where Durant was out (one of which was at Boston) JG had huge games.

[Marcus13]

He's not better, but at least he tried.  Sometimes, Im not sure Green is even giving an effort

Emotion =/= effort.

Just because he doesn't jump up and down and drool like some players in the League doesn't mean he doesn't care. I remember reading an article last year (in that rag of a magazine ESPN Mag) about Rashad McCants. It was about how he played his way out of the league because of his poor body language. Despite his talent, he didn't appear to want it. I think the same was said about Wafer before this season.

I think Green cares and tries, he just may still be uncomfortable.

Very possible.  Bottem line is he just needs to become a more agressive player with the ball and without.  There's no reason that he shouldn't be able to produce with the second unit when he's arguably the best player on it.

[Mr October]

He's not better, but at least he tried.  Sometimes, Im not sure Green is even giving an effort

Emotion =/= effort.

Just because he doesn't jump up and down and drool like some players in the League doesn't mean he doesn't care. I remember reading an article last year (in that rag of a magazine ESPN Mag) about Rashad McCants. It was about how he played his way out of the league because of his poor body language. Despite his talent, he didn't appear to want it. I think the same was said about Wafer before this season.

I think Green cares and tries, he just may still be uncomfortable.

Very possible.  Bottem line is he just needs to become a more agressive player with the ball and without.  There's no reason that he shouldn't be able to produce with the second unit when he's arguably the best player on it.

I thought Green looked totally fine out there on Sunday. Good defense, good energy, hit a big jumper. I kinda see him as a more athletic Eric Williams. And like Williams, I want to see more rebounding out of Green.

I dont think it is Jeff Green's fault that Davis shoots too much. Davis shoots too much because the ball often stops in his hands and he doesn't keep it moving. I have seen too many rushed jumpers with 7-8 seconds left on the clock from Davis this year.

[Senninsage]

Jeff Green, I believe, is a superior ball player, and can score on just about anybody. Glen Davis isn't horrible by any means, he's very good. I just don't think he's better than Green.

If Green gets his confidence up, and is in a position where he has to be the go to guy on any given night, he can be as dangerous as a Paul Pierce or a Kevin Garnett, or any serious scorer in this league. I think he has showcased this fact pretty clearly throughout his career so far.

He has even showcased this much very clearly in his best games for the Celtics, where he just stays as aggressive as possible, and actually tries to look for his shot.

[SHAQATTACK]

They are two completely different players.  Each has a role and certain assets.  

I do think Davis needs to pass or hit Allen , KG or PP with a pass in those clutch situations , as he really winds up up with the hot ball and a shot he can't make often .  He needs to lose FAT and replace it with muscle then he could jump higher , be quicker and maybe slip the ball in the bucket some in the paint .  Instead ,his bulk is slowing him down and he gets abused by leaner players.  Baby needs to NOT to play over his head.  Look for better passes and easy trash buckets....and less trips to McDonalds.

Green plays fine, for now, and just needs more court time with his teammates and running plays . Like Ray ALlen , once Green hits that first bucket or two , he can go crazy on a team.

[SCBirdman]

Green is a superior player when he is assertive and aggressive. I think Green is still feeling his way and is deferring to the stars on this team instead of being a stud off the bench.

As for this series, Green should get the majority of BBD's minutes at the 4 behind KG or play Green at 4 and KG at 5, like Doc said they would do after the trade. Still waiting on that one.

BBD is not athletic enough to match up with the Knicks. Green would be much more effective in my opinion.

[Garnett Crushes Gasoft]

I've been watching closely to see why Jeff's not getting shots. Part of it is Rondo has not been maximizing his abilities on the fast break. Part of it is also the fact that Green's just not aggressive at all in trying to get shots. I remember a play against New York where the shot clock was down to 3 or 4 seconds and instead making something happen Green just gave it back to Baby. I was screaming at the screen for Green to shoot. He's just not demanding the ball at all so that's a problem. Remember Doc said he was too nice?

I noticed that too and this is exactly the problem. Jeff Green just isnt aggressive enough. He needs to be more assertive and I dont see that from him at all

[jimmywolfrey]

Glen Davis on the box is just as effective as anything else we have from the bench.

But Jeff Green is the better overall offensive player. Green can score on the box, on the break, has better range and a better jump shot, and better from the line.

The one thing Baby has is familiarity of our offense.

We threw out half of our offense so maybe it might not be that much of an advantage for Baby anymore.

Delonte may be the best post up player on the team.  Too bad, he can only do it against people 6'5 or less.

[clover]

He's not better, but at least he tried.  Sometimes, Im not sure Green is even giving an effort

Emotion =/= effort.

Just because he doesn't jump up and down and drool like some players in the League doesn't mean he doesn't care. I remember reading an article last year (in that rag of a magazine ESPN Mag) about Rashad McCants. It was about how he played his way out of the league because of his poor body language. Despite his talent, he didn't appear to want it. I think the same was said about Wafer before this season.

I think Green cares and tries, he just may still be uncomfortable.

Very possible.  Bottem line is he just needs to become a more agressive player with the ball and without.  There's no reason that he shouldn't be able to produce with the second unit when he's arguably the best player on it.

I thought Green looked totally fine out there on Sunday. Good defense, good energy, hit a big jumper. I kinda see him as a more athletic Eric Williams. And like Williams, I want to see more rebounding out of Green.

I dont think it is Jeff Green's fault that Davis shoots too much. Davis shoots too much because the ball often stops in his hands and he doesn't keep it moving. I have seen too many rushed jumpers with 7-8 seconds left on the clock from Davis this year.

Taking 8 shots to make 1 bucket?

[CeltsAcumen]

Me.

Jeff Green's shot looks terrible.  Elbow out, long slow release, does not really have the steps correct.  He has almost zero post game. 

Baby can score on big people in the post, while his shot is not a Ray Rays, his elbows are in, he has the trigger set up before the ball gets to him and he can shoot fairly quickly with his release.

So yeah, I think Baby is a better offensive player than Jeff Green. 

[mgent]

He's not better, but at least he tried.  Sometimes, Im not sure Green is even giving an effort

Emotion =/= effort.

Just because he doesn't jump up and down and drool like some players in the League doesn't mean he doesn't care. I remember reading an article last year (in that rag of a magazine ESPN Mag) about Rashad McCants. It was about how he played his way out of the league because of his poor body language. Despite his talent, he didn't appear to want it. I think the same was said about Wafer before this season.

I think Green cares and tries, he just may still be uncomfortable.

Very possible.  Bottem line is he just needs to become a more agressive player with the ball and without.  There's no reason that he shouldn't be able to produce with the second unit when he's arguably the best player on it.

I thought Green looked totally fine out there on Sunday. Good defense, good energy, hit a big jumper. I kinda see him as a more athletic Eric Williams. And like Williams, I want to see more rebounding out of Green.

I dont think it is Jeff Green's fault that Davis shoots too much. Davis shoots too much because the ball often stops in his hands and he doesn't keep it moving. I have seen too many rushed jumpers with 7-8 seconds left on the clock from Davis this year.

No, that's Baby's fault and I've been yelling at him for it all year.  The blame lies with Green for not taking enough shots.  Someone mentioned the possession last night where Green got the ball at the arc with 8 seconds left on the shot clock and instead of doing something he waits 3 seconds, then gives the ball to Baby with not enough time to take it in causing him to take a contested 22 footer.

[droopdog7]

We've seen it every game since the trade, but why in God's name does Glen Davis (1-8) take twice as many shots as Jeff Green (2-4)?

When the second unit is out there I think our options should be:
Paul/Ray/Rondo, whoever's out there
Green
Delonte
THEN Big Baby or Krstic

Somebody please slap Green in the back of the head and wake him up.  This is a guy who needs to get in a rhythm to be effective.  If he's playing to his full potential he's got the talent to be the type of 6th man who completely takes control of the offense when the bench is in the game (Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams).

And as we all know, our second unit's offense sorely needs a go-to guy like that (please no more Big Baby "get out of my way and watch me take a jump shot").

There is a simple answer to your question.  The reason BBD take so many shots is because the opposing defense WANTS him to take those shots.  That is why is always finds himself open at the end of the shot clock.  The defense does everything they can to elimnate our other options.  They are essentially funneling shots BBD's way.

Now, BBD contributes to it to.  Rather than move the ball immediately (like KG often does), BBD's first instinct is always to look at the basket.

[droopdog7]

Me.

Jeff Green's shot looks terrible.  Elbow out, long slow release, does not really have the steps correct.  He has almost zero post game. 

Baby can score on big people in the post, while his shot is not a Ray Rays, his elbows are in, he has the trigger set up before the ball gets to him and he can shoot fairly quickly with his release.

So yeah, I think Baby is a better offensive player than Jeff Green. 

Come on now, this has to be a joke.  If anything, the mid range jump shot is the purest part of Green game.  He looks like he can hit it at will.  BBD on the other hand is a below average shooter, even when left wide open.  This is precisely why he is wide open at that spot much of the time.