With the benefit of hindsight, do you think Danny regrets the Perk trade?

[Roy H.]

9.8 points a game and 2.5 rebounds per game In nearly 23 minutes is what Green has delivered. Sounds like numbers that Anthony Parker or a bunch of other guys could produce. I have never been a Jeff Green fan, but would love to get to love him. I just don't see it.

Jeff Green, statistical comparison while in Boston:

TS%: 58.6 (highest ever in career), Comparable to LeBron James (identical), Kevin Durant (59.2), Pau Gasol (58.3)

3pt%: 41.2 (career high), comperable to Hedo Turkoglu, Rudy Gay, higher than Pierce....although this one doesn't tell the whole story because he only shoots 1.2 3pt FG's a game, which is well below where he was in OKC. Its not insignificant, but it is a distinction that needs to be made.
 
Points per minute production (in PP40 format): 19.4, comparable to Rudy Gay, Wilson Chandler (both 19.1 PP40), Luol Deng (18.1), Tyler Hansbrough (20.6) and Paul Pierce (21.4), among others.

Rebounds per minute: They're terrible. No other way to put it.

Usage: 21.92 (career high), comperable to Pau Gasol or Danilo Gallinari, slightly lower than Kevin Garnett

PER: 14.20, career high, comparable to Jamal Crawford, Jared Dudley, or Landry Fields.

The notion that we could have gotten Jeff Green's production (at least from a statistical standpoint) across the board from a guy like Anthony Parker (a guy who averages 8.6 ppg in 6+minutes per contest) just is flat out not supportable.  

Yeah, Jeff Green is better than Anthony Parker.  The question is, is he enough better to make up for the loss of Perk.  Obviously, opinion is pretty divided on that, but I don't think he is.

[indeedproceed]

9.8 points a game and 2.5 rebounds per game In nearly 23 minutes is what Green has delivered. Sounds like numbers that Anthony Parker or a bunch of other guys could produce. I have never been a Jeff Green fan, but would love to get to love him. I just don't see it.

Jeff Green, statistical comparison while in Boston:

TS%: 58.6 (highest ever in career), Comparable to LeBron James (identical), Kevin Durant (59.2), Pau Gasol (58.3)

3pt%: 41.2 (career high), comperable to Hedo Turkoglu, Rudy Gay, higher than Pierce....although this one doesn't tell the whole story because he only shoots 1.2 3pt FG's a game, which is well below where he was in OKC. Its not insignificant, but it is a distinction that needs to be made.
 
Points per minute production (in PP40 format): 19.4, comparable to Rudy Gay, Wilson Chandler (both 19.1 PP40), Luol Deng (18.1), Tyler Hansbrough (20.6) and Paul Pierce (21.4), among others.

Rebounds per minute: They're terrible. No other way to put it.

Usage: 21.92 (career high), comperable to Pau Gasol or Danilo Gallinari, slightly lower than Kevin Garnett

PER: 14.20, career high, comparable to Jamal Crawford, Jared Dudley, or Landry Fields.

The notion that we could have gotten Jeff Green's production (at least from a statistical standpoint) across the board from a guy like Anthony Parker (a guy who averages 8.6 ppg in 6+minutes per contest) just is flat out not supportable. 

Yeah, Jeff Green is better than Anthony Parker.  The question is, is he enough better to make up for the loss of Perk.  Obviously, opinion is pretty divided on that, but I don't think he is.

Did you see this post?

It was a while back, but its my thoughts on availability of Anthony Parker:

There are reports that we could have had Anthony Parker, and I think he would have made a fine backup.

I don't think this is as cut and dry as one might think.

Yes there were reports that we might be able to get Parker, but there were also reports that they were not accepting Nate Robinson + a number 1 for him.

The Bulls were alledgely after him too, but settled eventually on Rasual Butler because either A) they thought Butler was the better option or B) because the Cavs weren't buying what the Bulls were selling.

Also, there were reports that Semih Erden was the key for Cleveland, but we sent Semih there in a salary dump to clear a roster space. If Erden would've cut the deal, why didn't we send him along with the trade exception we got from the Quis deal? (Quis trade was announced minutes after Semih/Luke's, so I'm assuming Danny knew it all these moves were going to happen in advance)

I think if we could've gotten Parker, even to take Sasha's role, we would've pulled that trigger regardless.

[dlpin]

Yeah, Jeff Green is better than Anthony Parker.  The question is, is he enough better to make up for the loss of Perk.  Obviously, opinion is pretty divided on that, but I don't think he is.

It is not the loss of Perk. It is the replacing of Perk with Kristic.

We might disagree on whether Perk and whatever other SF you'd like  are better than Kristic+Green, but ultimately I think that the difference, either way, is very small. Certainly not enough to dramatically change our chances at the title.

As i've said before, it is not that I love this trade. I just don't see the huge downside you see. The slump started before Perkins was traded and has been caused by weaknesses that Perkins does nothing to address.

[dlpin]

Again I  wish I could be back in the day when I didn't have to read about per and win shares and a million other stats that have been made up because they can be made up thanks to computers.  Jeff green has had 4-5 good games, 4-5 bad games and has been mediocre the rest of the time. He Is not the kind of player I want to see on the celtics. Just a personal opinion.

We can set advanced statistics aside if you would like. But the fact is that the claims about Perkins contributions are claims that are quantifiable. If rebounding and points allowed in the paint are not worse, then we can clearly say that interior defense has not deteriorated since the Perkins trade. Similarly, if the main difference, statistically, from before and after the trade is scoring in the 4th quarter, we can also say that Perkins would not have solved that problem, not matter what.

And if what you are criticizing on Green is his inconsistency, it is not like Perkins has been terribly consistent either.

[Neurotic Guy]

I do think Danny regrets it.  But, I also see that it isn't Perk that is the difference.  It is painfully obvious that a healthy trio of Shaq, Nenad and JO can get the job done.  It was a health gamble and so far it looks like he bet on the wrong legs.

[BballTim]

I do think Danny regrets it.  But, I also see that it isn't Perk that is the difference.  It is painfully obvious that a healthy trio of Shaq, Nenad and JO can get the job done.  It was a health gamble and so far it looks like he bet on the wrong legs.

  ...painfully obvious... Pun intended?

[Tai]

I do think Danny regrets it.  But, I also see that it isn't Perk that is the difference.  It is painfully obvious that a healthy trio of Shaq, Nenad and JO can get the job done.  It was a health gamble and so far it looks like he bet on the wrong legs.

If Shaq really will be back Friday, I say his legs are ok.

[LB3533]

At the time of the trade we were pretty injured already.

Danny does not regret the trade at all.

We got more healthy bodies out of that trade.

[Prof. Clutch]

My guess is that Danny would still have pulled the trigger on this trade, even with the benefit of hindsight.  He isn't afraid to take risks, that's for sure.

[bbd24]

Shaq, JO, and Perkins can't finish on the floor at the same time.  Not when you have a core 4 of Rondo, Ray, PP, and KG.  Since this is the case, it had to be an easy decision for Ainge once he found out who he could add to the bench (Green and Krstic).

No brainer trade.  Ainge made this possible by acquiring Shaq and JO in free agency.  Perkins and his knees became expendable at that point. The new guys give you just what Perkins gives you at the Center spot, except better offense.  Perkins is canceled out with the additions of Shaq and JO.  So not only do you keep (or better) the center position in tact, you gain Green and Krstic for the bench, and a future 1st round pick down the road.  Easy trade.  For now, and the future.  Plus, you won't have to pay 9M per for 1 player whose coming off major knee surgery and only gives you like 4-8 points per game.

[Mr October]

Shaq, JO, and Perkins can't finish on the floor at the same time.  Not when you have a core 4 of Rondo, Ray, PP, and KG.  Since this is the case, it had to be an easy decision for Ainge once he found out who he could add to the bench (Green and Krstic).

No brainer trade.  Ainge made this possible by acquiring Shaq and JO in free agency.  Perkins and his knees became expendable at that point. The new guys give you just what Perkins gives you at the Center spot, except better offense.  Perkins is canceled out with the additions of Shaq and JO.  So not only do you keep (or better) the center position in tact, you gain Green and Krstic for the bench, and a future 1st round pick down the road.  Easy trade.  For now, and the future.  Plus, you won't have to pay 9M per for 1 player whose coming off major knee surgery and only gives you like 4-8 points per game.

Nicely put. If the O'Neals can combine to give you 25 minutes per game, you're gonna be fine.

[kg is king]

Just saw this on ESPN...Really, these guys shouldn't even talk basketball given their knowledge level on the game.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682458/sn-can-the-cs-contend-without-shaq

"They don't want to pay him". Really ESPN? You would think that national TV analysts would be knowledgeable enough to know that the Celtics offered Perkins the most money they could possibly offer under the current CBA agreement. And why does everyone think Perkins is the ultimate savior anyways. How many games has he played? Did he contribute at all to Boston's dominant start of the season? NO. This team's issue is not about losing Perkins, it is about one thing and only one thing. HEALTH

[Tai]

Just saw this on ESPN...Really, these guys shouldn't even talk basketball given their knowledge level on the game.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4682458/sn-can-the-cs-contend-without-shaq

"They don't want to pay him". Really ESPN? You would think that national TV analysts would be knowledgeable enough to know that the Celtics offered Perkins the most money they could possibly offer under the current CBA agreement. And why does everyone think Perkins is the ultimate savior anyways. How many games has he played? Did he contribute at all to Boston's dominant start of the season? NO. This team's issue is not about losing Perkins, it is about one thing and only one thing. HEALTH

Heheh. I saw that when that was on TV. Rob Parker is a NY fan (Works for ESPN New York) and while I respect that he doesn't pretend he's otherwise, it shows when talking about anything Boston. Did he really call Shaq 400 pounds? Like Skip likes to say, "REALLY"?!.

I admit it's yet another setback, minor or not, for Shaq, but if he can come back Friday, and hopefully get a practice under him before hand, I think he'll be good to go again. 

[LooseCannon]

With the benefit of hindsight, do you think that Red Auerbach regretted trading away Gerald Henderson, given that Len Bias died?

[Tai]

With the benefit of hindsight, do you think that Red Auerbach regretted trading away Gerald Henderson, given that Len Bias died?